Ray Comfort the Plagiarist

Ray ComfortUniversity of Tennessee professor Stan Guffey is accusing Ray Comfort of plagiarizing his biography of Charles Darwin:

Since spring, e-mails had been trickling in alerting him to extensive similarities between the first three pages of the edition’s introduction and “A Brief History of Charles Darwin,” which Guffey wrote in 1997 for UT’s first Darwin Day event. He wrote the biography, handed out on campus each February and available through the Darwin Day website, “to make Darwin accessible to people who thought Darwin was a devil, to make him human.”

It seems to have appealed to New Zealand-born evangelist Ray Comfort, who wrote a 50-page introduction for Florida publisher Bridge-Logos’ reissue of Darwin’s treatise on evolution. Bridge-Logos lists dozens of titles by Comfort in its catalog, including some co-authored by actor Kirk Cameron, who also co-hosts a television series with Comfort. Guffey is not acknowledged in the book, but the introduction begins with his biography of Darwin. A few sentences were chopped or shortened, and a paragraph on Darwin’s youth was rearranged and reworded, but most of the passage appears taken directly from Guffey.

Now Guffey is considering legal action. Here are some parallels (courtesy of AIG Busted):

Ray: On returning to England in 1836, Darwin set to work examining and disseminating the extensive collection of specimens he acquired during the voyage. He quickly established a reputation as an accomplished naturalist on the London scene. In 1839 he married his cousin, Emma Wedgwood. That same year he published his journal of the voyage of the Beagle, which brought him immediate celebrity among London’s intellectuals. In 1842 he and Emma moved to Down House in Kent. It was there that she bore ten children and she and Charles spent the rest of their lives.

Stan: On returning to England in 1836, Darwin set to work examining and disseminating the extensive collection of natural history specimens acquired during the voyage. He quickly established a reputation as an accomplished naturalist on the London scene. In 1839 he married Emma Wedgwood, and saw his journal of the voyage of the Beagle published. In 1842 he and Emma moved to Downe house, Kent where Emma would bear 10 children and she and he would live for the rest of their lives.

Ray: During his great adventure as the Beagle’s naturalist, Darwin had studied certain aspects of the morphology and biogeography of the many species of plants and animals that he had observed. He eventually concluded that species exhibited varying degrees of similarity because they were to varying degrees related.

Stan: On his great adventure as the Beagleʼs naturalist Darwin had noted and begun to ponder certain aspects of the morphology and biogeography of the many species of plants and animals that he had observed. In particular, he had begun to explore the possibility, and eventually concluded, that species exhibited varying degrees of similarity because they are to varying degrees related.

Ray: …[Y]oung Charles showed less interest in studying than in hunting, natural history, and scientific experimentation. In 1825, he enrolled at Edinburgh University.

Stan: Early in his youth he demonstrated predilections for hunting, natural history, and scientific experimentation. In 1825, after public school education, he enrolled at Edinburgh University.

And there are other sources he copied word for word:

Ray: During the Voyage he had ample opportunity to see the cruelties of slavery and wondered how god could allow such inhumanity to exist. He also could not accept that a kind god would allow humans to live in such a wretched state as the natives of Tierra del Fuego. Why would god allow such suffering in the world was an internal conflict Darwin could not resolve.

Source: During the voyage he had ample opportunity to see the cruelties of slavery and wondered how God could allow such inhumanity to exist. He also could not accept that a kind God would allow men to live in such a wretched state as the natives of Tierra del Fuego. The issue of why God would allow such suffering in the world was an internal conflict that Darwin could not resolve.

Ray: He continued to give support to the local church and help with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church.

Source: He continued to give support to the local church and help with parish work, but on Sundays would go for a walk while his family attended church.

Ray: As a clergyman, he would have the free time to follow his real intellectual love: natural history. Darwin was a passionate student of nature, and while still in school he had amassed a considerable beetle collection as well as other specimens.

Source: As a clergyman, he would have the free time to follow his real intellectual love: natural history. Darwin was a passionate student of nature, and while in school he amassed a considerable beetle collection as well as other specimens. [from the introduction to Charles Darwin's autobiography!]

I knew Comfort wasn’t intellectually honest, but I didn’t know he was this intellectually dishonest. It’s a shame the Bible doesn’t provide him with a better moral framework — perhaps we can recommend him a better holy book to follow and defend?

Update: There’s a line-by-line comparsion over at RationalWiki. Here is Guffy’s original handout, and here is Comfort’s. There is even more similarities than RationalWiki shows, parts are just rearranged.

  • ironflange

    Guffey says he’d “like to engage him in intellectual combat, but it wouldn’t be fair.” He’s right, it would be kinda mean to attack an unarmed opponent.

  • http://virtua-gallery.com Klaus

    Good one @ ironflange. Well said!

    I love it when these guys are being hit, where it hurts the most – their alleged moral superiority.
    While I usually consider those nutjobs not worth to be reported on – this type of “revelation” is exactly the material, that their fans need to know about.

    • Jabster

      “this type of “revelation” is exactly the material, that their fans need to know about.”

      Unfortunately this type of revelation will just be dismissed by Raymondo’s fans as perfectly acceptable behaviour after he posts an “explanation” of why it’s not plagiarism at all. If there’s one thing that Ray’s good at it’s the ability to strongly deny something that is so obviously true and yet seem sincere at the same time.

    • Francesc

      “I love it when these guys are being hit, where it hurts the most – their alleged moral superiority.”
      I don’t agree at all. Where it hurts them the most is in their wallets. So, let’s wait for that legal action!

  • Edman

    Honestly, I’m never surprised by these “revelations” of the secrets these holy guys keep.
    One day I fully expect to see the headline on UF:

    “Ray Comfort found unconscious with a coke-covered banana shoved up his ass.”

    • Atticus

      Thanks for that image.

      • k’Sheyna V

        AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! My eyes! My mind’s eyes!! AAaaaaahhhhh!!

  • http://brandonsneed.wordpress.com/blog/ Brandon Sneed

    Yeah, tough to argue he didn’t plagiarize that. Yeesh. I’m not a Comfort fan, but it still bothers me to see such a blatent disregard for anothers’ work.

  • wazza

    you know what really annoys me about this article?

    “New Zealand-born evangelist Ray Comfort”. Do you really have to tar all of us with such a repulsive brush?

    • Elemenope

      Yes. Well, maybe not the folks on the North Island. But those South Island cretins have what’s coming to them!

    • http://sleepingowl.wordpress.com/ L. Jerome

      About post: BOOOOOOOM! Haha, awesome news.

      PS – @Wazza – I hope I’m not committing the terrible internet faux pas of offering an explanation when everyone, especially the commenter, know the information. But…

      I think/feel that perhaps the specification of his New Zealand origins is more to highlight it for the ridiculous Americans that think people who weren’t born in America are not as moral, free, smart, religious, or godly. Perhaps they won’t be so quick to his defense if they know he “ain’t a real Merican”

    • http://rationalia.com Charlou

      @wazza the New Zealander – go the NZ atheist bus campaign! :D

      On topic … It wouldn’t surprise me if good ol’ Ray didn’t even know what plaigerism is, let alone realise that it’s wrong … Quote mining for self evident truths from text to use as sermon material is, after all, an intrinsic part of the clergyman’s game.

  • http://redheadedskeptic.com Laura

    Hum, now that’s very interesting! And not at all surprising. . .

  • Roger

    Ray? Dishonest? Intellectually bankrupt to the point that he has to plagiarize someone else’s work just to write a freakin’ introduction? Say it ain’t so, Joe!

  • http://larianlequella.com Larian LeQuella

    HA! HA!

  • http://iamtheblog.com I Am The Blog

    Looks like pretty damning evidence (pun intended) against Ray Comfort. I guess he could pass the buck and say that God told him to do it, which would make God an accomplice (could make for an interesting court case…).

  • rufustfirefly

    What is Stan Guffey’s possible legal recourse? I’d like to see Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and Living Waters/WOTM hit financially.

  • Francesco Orsenigo

    I think Ray can now be safely classified into “dishonest people that have found a way to make money without a real job” rather than “deluded ignorant”.

  • Custador

    Not shocked. Not even slightly.

  • bobbyw100

    This is just so typical of the dishonest methods that Christians use to promote their agenda.

  • EN

    Oh come the F on. Any reasonably intelligent person could have easily written it just like either of them without ever knowing that they even existed. It’s not like he’s ripping off the guy’s fictional story that he spent years working on. It’s facts. So if one wants to go that route, I think they should both be sued for plagiarizing history. When I was in middle school, I used to get nagged at by teachers because they thought I was just copying what someone else was writing because my vocabulary and writing style far surpassed that of my peers (if I could truly refer to anyone as such) and of the teachers themselves. For the record, I’ve never committed a single act of plagiarism in my entire life, and for me to do so would have only served to undermine my own intelligence. I think the d-bags of this world need to get a grip, step back, realize what you’re really looking at, and figure out that it’s not like either author wrote anything groundbreaking and original. Neither of them has a really unique, outstanding writing style. It’s just generic, text book style, flavorless yet informative text. CASE DISMISSED

    • Elemenope

      Just…wow.

    • fftysmthg

      Twit CASE DISMISSED

    • Roger

      Let me guess: you weren’t the top of your class, were you?

      • EN

        No, I graduated college at 14. Not really, I was stuck in a public school with morons, rednecks, and preps in which the majority of the faculty expected you to conform, obey, and become another sheep for the herd. Obviously I did not and got black mailed out of high school by my oh-so-lovely principle after I made some of the highest test scores in the nation and made that worthless school look… well, as good as it could. Too bad for the lack of Trench Coat Mafia there. (For the record, I’m not really this arrogant, but I am really intelligent and this plagiarism thing irks my nerves too no end, not to mention I’m an actor/writer/comedian/musician/lunatic. It’s fun.)

        • Custador

          “For the record, I’m not really this arrogant, but I am really intelligent and this plagiarism thing irks my nerves too no end, not to mention I’m an actor/writer/comedian/musician/lunatic. It’s fun.

          And so modest, too. However, if you really were as intellignet as you claim to be, you’d know that plagiarism is a serious issue.

          • EN

            who needs modesty in this world? it’s the internet, remember? I’m free to be a dick. and as far as the plag. issue junk, see way below.

          • EN

            I missed this last time. About the “actor/writer/comedian/musician/lunatic” thing, it was meant as a clarification to show I’m purposely acting like this. I was laughing too hard the when I was reading before.

        • Roger

          Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a variation of the Internet Tough Guy. We can call this one the Internet Genius.

          • EN

            Who said anything about being a genius? I just said intelligent. As in not so stupid as to believe everything I’m told because someone says I should. I think for myself.

            • Elemenope

              I think for myself.

              That much is clear.

            • Erick I

              Thinks of himself, allot. Is more like it.

            • Custador

              “I play with myself because nobody else will”

              Fixed.

            • Roger

              I wouldn’t call what you do “thinking.”

            • Sunny Day

              Next he’ll be telling us that he never said he’s the messiah.

        • Francesc

          “…because my vocabulary and writing style far surpassed that of my peers (if I could truly refer to anyone as such)”
          Mine too. And still I had peers and friends :-p
          (For the record, my writing style was great those years, but not as great as I though then)

        • Sunny Day

          “Too bad for the lack of Trench Coat Mafia there.”

          WOW! Crazy murderer envy. You are a sick person, get help.

    • Custador

      So… If you spent time and effort laying out the story of somebody’s life in your own words, you’re saying you wouldn’t be pissed-off if somebody else passed the work off as their own writing and actually used it to enhance their own reputation? That wouldn’t make you angry? At all?

      Bullshit. You’re a liar.

      • EN

        Yeah, I would. I never said I wouldn’t. But, you missed the point I made completely. Yes, there was one there, feel free to go back and check. I’ll wait… The point was that the first one was bland and not very original and the second one is bland and not very original. If I wrote something like that, I wouldn’t care if they ripped it off. Mostly because it’s not worth trying to prove. For example: Look, I got an “a” here and so does he; Your honor, he said that Darwin married Emma and moved to Kent in the same paragraph just as I did; Ladies and gentlemen of the court, I would like to point out that this man has written historical facts in a basic writing format that anyone could reproduce accidentally in a very similar fashion to my own!

        • Custador

          Ray: On returning to England in 1836, Darwin set to work examining and disseminating the extensive collection of specimens he acquired during the voyage. He quickly established a reputation as an accomplished naturalist on the London scene. In 1839 he married his cousin, Emma Wedgwood. That same year he published his journal of the voyage of the Beagle, which brought him immediate celebrity among London’s intellectuals. In 1842 he and Emma moved to Down House in Kent. It was there that she bore ten children and she and Charles spent the rest of their lives.

          Stan: On returning to England in 1836, Darwin set to work examining and disseminating the extensive collection of natural history specimens acquired during the voyage. He quickly established a reputation as an accomplished naturalist on the London scene. In 1839 he married Emma Wedgwood, and saw his journal of the voyage of the Beagle published. In 1842 he and Emma moved to Downe house, Kent where Emma would bear 10 children and she and he would live for the rest of their lives.

          Now, reading those, are you honestly going to try to defend Ray Comfort’s plagiarism? Because dude – it’s not deffensible. It’s just not.

          • EN

            see below somewhere. I’ve already said it, i think, and I don’t feel like repeating

            • Question-I-Thority

              The topic of this post is why Ray Comfort steals intellectual property. You have suggested that the person who was ripped off shouldn’t be upset because the thing stolen wasn’t worth much.

              Now, back to why Ray Comfort steals….

    • random guy

      “When I was in middle school, I used to get nagged at by teachers because they thought I was just copying what someone else was writing because my vocabulary and writing style far surpassed that of my peers (if I could truly refer to anyone as such) and of the teachers themselves.”

      Really dude? After that did Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Feynman, and Stephen Hawking all call you up and thank you for tutoring them in that science stuff (it was like really hard)? I’m sure Noam Chomsky was so grateful for all that proofreading you did for him.

      My memory of middle and high school was that plagiarism was the norm. In fact it became more prolific for each more advanced class you took. All the smart kids knew high school teachers wouldn’t do the diligence to make sure thirty kids weren’t plagiarizing, there was zero chance of getting caught and no advantage for doing it right. In college there was a healthy amount of it. Even a great deal of thesis work is plagiarized.

      Of course when it comes to commercial publishing, like what Ray Comfort does, only an abject fool, Ray Comfort, would think that no one would catch them. There’s money to be made in them thar law suits.

      • EN

        oh for the love of… The point is, WHO CARES?! It’s long boring shit. And I hate overtly religious garbage so it’s not like I’m just jumping on his side. If anything, I’m on neither of their sides because I think they both sucked. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE??

        • Elemenope

          WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE??

          Amused.

          • EN

            So I’m not the only one then? I was beginning to think people were actually getting aggravated. I may like to act like a dick, but it’s not so much fun just to piss people off if no one but me is laughing

            • Fentwin

              “I may like to act like a dick…”

              I’m not convinced that its just an act.

            • Jabster

              Why do you think it’s fun when people are laughing at you?

            • Olaf

              Again no proof of any intelligence, but proof that you need tons of attention even negative ones.

    • Erik

      Bad troll is bad.

    • Glebealyth

      EN,

      you either believe you have a gift for satire, or you are on Ray’s payroll.

      I one of my students submitted that and it were checked for plagiarism they would find themselves looking for a job, with no prospect of returning to Academe.

      It is one of the most blatant instances of plagiarism I have ever seen.

      • EN

        a drunken gift for satire. I don’t even remember any of this, but my name is on it so I must have done it….I think. Not to mention it made it’s way to my email address… It certainly sounds like me drunk… and on shrooms… after I hit myself in the head with a cinder block 20 times… ya know, I’m wondering if this was me at all now… Either I need to not use ‘EN’ when I’m drunk, or I need to beat someones ass for using my name. So death to the false EN, which either means I’m going to AA or someones getting beat with sticks.

        EN Out

  • EN

    Oh, my bad, I think I may have plagiarized Webster’s in my last post… Oh, would you look at that, I did it again. :)

    • Custador

      Oh, I insulted you in my last post because you’re an arse hat… Oh, would you look at that, I did it again :-)

      • EN

        Who’s the bigger arse, the arse or the insulter of the arse? :P (this is fun)

        • Roger

          …yep, definitely a troll.

          • EN

            that actually made sense to me. You’re my favorite poster so far

          • Daniel Florien

            But an incredibly smart, practically genius, IQ OFF THE SCALE, humble, and did I say REALLY AMAZING SMART troll… who would graduate high school if he could just get around the principal (or was that a “principle”?) blackmailing him. Heh.

            I have a family member who talks just like this guy. He thinks he is so much better than everyone & brags about it, when in reality he’s uneducated & has mental issues. He got kicked out of the military in a week.

            • Custador

              I think most people go through a phase like that when they’re about 18 and think they know it all. If they’re lucky they get slapped-down really hard, really quick. If they’re not, they spend their lives genuinly believing that the world revolves around them and the Sun shines out of their arse.

            • EN

              you’d shit if I was actually famous and a portion of the world really does revolve around me in a sense.

            • Custador

              EN, I wouldn’t give two hoots if you were the bastard offspring of the Pope and Courtney Love. Really.

            • EN

              that wouldn’t be awesome… but i’d be born addicted to heroin and little boys and that’s not so good

            • EN

              hehe, I do have mental issues so to speak. And as I’ve said, I’m really not this arrogant, but I have an odd sense of humor. This is the first post that wasn’t a complete joke so far and probably will be the only. Lighten up people. My god you guys sure can be some ass holes.

            • Daniel Florien

              “My god you guys sure can be some ass holes.”

              …said the asshole.

            • Custador

              You’re a more patient man than me, Daniel. I’d have waved the banstick by now on general principles.

            • EN

              you do realize that i could care less if you ban me. I don’t even know the name of this website and once I close the browser, I’ll completely forget about this place

            • Siberia

              Then do it already, please?

    • Jerdog

      If I didn’t think copying another person’s writing and passing it off for my own was dishonest and morally reprehensible, this is what I would think about some of the above comments.

      Oh come the F on. Any reasonably intelligent person could have easily written it just like either of them without ever knowing that they even existed. It’s not like he’s ripping off the guy’s fictional story that he spent years working on. It’s facts. So if one wants to go that route, I think they should both be sued for plagiarizing history. When I was in middle school, I used to get nagged at by teachers because they thought I was just copying what someone else was writing because my vocabulary and writing style far surpassed that of my peers (if I could truly refer to anyone as such) and of the teachers themselves. For the record, I’ve never committed a single act of plagiarism in my entire life, and for me to do so would have only served to undermine my own intelligence. I think the d-bags of this world need to get a grip, step back, realize what you’re really looking at, and figure out that it’s not like either author wrote anything groundbreaking and original. Neither of them has a really unique, outstanding writing style. It’s just generic, text book style, flavorless yet informative text. CASE DISMISSED

      If anyone else wants to pretend to feel the same way I wouldn’t be surprised if they used some of the same words as me.

      • Custador

        I think the first time EN submits a college essay and it goes through the automated reference checking procedures (which I can tell you are standard these days), he’s going to get expelled. I’m about a third of the way though an essay in coronary heart disease as a function of socio-economic class at the moment, and I’ve had to spend days (so far) making sure that if other people have already said what I’m saying, I’m crediting them for it. That’s how academia works, and that’s why Ray Comfort is a f***ing moron.

        • EN

          college is for people with money and patience and i have neither, clearly

          • Olaf

            EN, I am sorry, but so far I have not seen proof of any intelligence in your postings.
            I do see a lot of hollow words that sounds impressive but they are hollow. You do not talk about any topic that actually would show intelligence. It is all wordplay.

            Your reference to “slashdot” also shows does tell me a lot about you.
            It tells me that you are trying to do very hard your best to pretend that you are too intelligent for school and this world but in reality you are a failure. And I think you are setting up people to start sabotage you so then later you can say that you did your best but it all fails because people did not understand you. No one understands you, you are always a victim. If only the world would give you a chance they you would be successful? Right?

          • Erik

            EN December 12, 2009 at 12:38 pm
            you do realize that i could care less if you ban me. I don’t even know the name of this website and once I close the browser, I’ll completely forget about this place

            EN December 12, 2009 at 4:08 pm
            college is for people with money and patience and i have neither, clearly

            Clearly.

          • amy

            also a place for ppl with real intelligence… oh im sorry, im sure you’re very smart and all you need is a hug…

      • Custador

        Also at issue: Since it’s very obvious the Comfort lifted large chunks of his text wholesale from Guffey, why didn’t he just credit him? If he wasn’t trying to be dishonest and make out that he knows more about Darwin than he really does, he would have put a disclaimer or a footnote in his text citing his source, i.e. somebody who really is an expert.

        Instead, he chose to copy it and pass it off as his own. Not very “Christian”, is he?

        • EN

          actually, it sounds very christian to me. He’s lying, albeit so poorly that a 3 year old could figure it out. Very christian indeed to me. He could be the next pope.

  • EN

    I’m going back to slashdot, you guys are gay (not like homosexual)

    • Jabster

      So soon … I thought you were just getting into your stride.

    • Fentwin

      Its hard to miss you if you never leave.

    • Olaf

      Wooo the slahsdot reference.

      Did you know that the biggest part of slahsdot are just stupid script-kiddies that use this as a reference to pretend to be smart? There are indeed intelligent people on slahsdot, but most of them are not. The stupid ones are the the Linux extremists and windows bashers as bad as the creationists.

      • Daniel Florien

        I used to read /. when I was a script-kiddie, over 10 years ago. I’m amazed it’s still around.

  • Karl

    So, Ray is a liar, and a thief. What a lovely example of the xtian life this joker presents. Lie for Jeebus, steal for jeebus. I wonder what the ignorant sod will do for an encore?

    Oh, that’s right, he’ll start lying about using someone’s work with out credit, and try to sweep the whole thing under a rug somewhere.

  • Fentwin

    “you do realize that i could care less if you ban me.”

    I’d think an “intelligent” agent could see what is glaringly wrong with this phrase.

  • JudgeMe [aka EN]

    Let’s see… I see EN’s point, even though he may be acting like an ass when he’s saying it. I’ve seen his posts elsewhere, he really is a smart kid, he’s just hard to get and his style doesn’t really fit in with people like you. Just be glad he wasn’t really on a roll or there would have been no end to it. If this goes to court and it get’s thrown out, I’d bet half a million bucks that he’ll be back with a simple “haha, told you so.” But when the first proof of plagurism is

    Ray: Charles Robert Darwin was born on February 12, 1809, in Shrewsbury, England.

    Stan: Charles Robert Darwin was born February 12, 1809 in Shrewsbury, England.

    I can’t blame him for thinking the entire thing is screwed. Think about how many ways there are to write that sentence? You’d have to do something like this “CRD was born Feb 12, 1809. He was born in Shrewsbury, England.” Now that just doesn’t flow well at all. And it’s only the first 3 pages that happen to sound like it. I’m not saying whether he did or didn’t copy, but I think arranging the info any other way than it is would kind of sound stupid. And the simple fact that he changed words around does kind of make you look at it different. Let’s say you are a writer of the same skill level as these guys, you research darwin, you find the same facts that these guys found, but you’ve never read their writings. Logically, one would think it would come out sounding very similar to these guys.

    • Elemenope

      Fairly large (as in paragraph-sized) passages with nearly identical phraseology? I mean, I agree that the date and location piece alone isn’t enough, but it fits in with a veritable constellation of similar examples, which together paint a pretty sharp picture.

    • Custador

      ” But when the first proof of plagurism is

      Ray: Charles Robert Darwin was born on February 12, 1809, in Shrewsbury, England.

      Stan: Charles Robert Darwin was born February 12, 1809 in Shrewsbury, England.

      I can’t blame him for thinking the entire thing is screwed.”

      Well, you’ve just conclusively proven that you haven’t read the entire thing. That’s NOT the only proof of the plagiarism, and that’s the point.

      • Sunny Day

        Well to be honest I thought that first part was weak sauce. After all there’s only so many formats you can write a birth date. Fortunately I kept reading and the other examples conclusively proved that Ray was a plagiarizing shitheel.

    • Daniel Florien

      Oh, and you just happen to have the same ip address as EN. Nice try.

      This kid is really something, isn’t he? He not only compliments himself — he creates other identities to compliment himself. Must be some intellect.

      [Update: EN is now saying he is going to cry to his friends and we're going to be in big trouble. My guess is his friends would look at this and laugh at him... unless they really are like him, which would be a frightening thought. Oh well, he's banned now.]

      • Jabster

        That how special he is DF!

      • trj

        Ha ha, man, what a pathetic jerk.

      • Roger

        He’s probably possessed by a demon named Legion.

        • Elemenope

          Doesn’t he end up inside a pig, or ten?

          Ewww.

      • Custador

        I suddenly feel justified in my call to wave the banstick :D

      • Francesc

        “EN is now saying he is going to cry to his friends”
        Wich friends??

      • John C

        I trust my secret is still safe with you, right D? That mine and Aor’s IP address is one and the same, wouldn’t want you to go and ruin it for me, errhh us! :):):)

        Happy Holidays to all my friends (you too Sunny) @ UF!

        LM”B”O!

        • Daniel Florien

          Now that would be hilarious! John C = Aor? Ha!

      • random guy

        clap, clap, clap.

        What a tool. As if the overt praise given to EN didn’t scream that it was him. Did anyone else get the distinct impression that this is the kind of kid who self diagnoses himself with Asperger Syndrome? Because you know he has crippling social disorders coupled with the belief that he is relly, relly, relly smart.

        • Daniel Florien

          Asperger’s is what I had in mind too, but it’s hard to know from our brief and only-virtual encounter.

  • Sunny Day

    Awww he’s banned and I missed him. I just finished lacing up my ass kickers. :(

    • Sunny Day [SunnyDay]

      Indeed Sunny we missed you. :)

  • Mark D

    There is long history of plagiarism among “end times” prophecy authors like Hal Lindsey, Thomas Ice and Tim LaHaye. When I first heard about the opening storyline of Tim LaHaye’s “Left Behind” novel, I recalled the opening storyline line of “666″ by Salem Kirban. Both stories begin on an airplane where one pilot is raptured but the other pilot is left behind.
    LaHaye claims that the idea for the Left Behind series came to him on a plane trip in the 1980s. He explains:
    This is an idea that the Lord gave me when I was on a plane. The airline captain came out of his cave and he started flirting with the head stewardess. I noticed that he had a wedding ring on. She did not. I began to see the sparks flying between these two and as he went back into the [cockpit], I got to thinking, “What if the Rapture occurred right now? On this plane, a third of these people would be gone. It would be pandemonium.” I imagined this guy, married to I assumed, a Christian, and all of the sudden it would dawn on him, “When I get home, my wife will be gone, and I have been left behind.” That’s where the title came from.
    This scene is played out in the first volume of the Left Behind series, which LaHaye has billed as “the first fictional portrayal of events that is true to the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy.”
    This claim is odd since Left Behind is not the first Rapture novel. Indeed, as Catholic writer Carl Olson pointed out in This Rock magazine, it isn’t even the first Rapture book to bear the title Left Behind. Another was published by Peter and Patti Lalonde just before the release of LaHaye’s. Further, Olson uncovered startling parallels between Left Behind and a 1970 novel entitled 666 by Salem Kirban, as well as another book raising the question of plagiarism. Olson explains:
    LaHaye has been in the Bible prophecy business for over thirty years. I find it difficult to believe he had no knowledge of the books by Kirban and the Lalondes. While recycling might be good for the environment, it isn’t very appealing when it comes to literature.

    http://www.catholic.com/library/false_profit.asp

    And there’s more
    http://www.tribwatch.com/davemac.htm

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  • http://jessicasideways.com Jessica Sideways

    I do hope that Comfort is parted with as much money as humanly possible. Intellectually dishonest Christians need to pay the price for their violation of the rights of others…

  • http://www.nihilistology.wordpress.com The Nihilist

    Comfort is a tit.

    • Elemenope

      So unbelievably true. And I mean that in the best possible way…

  • Michael

    It would be great if Guffey made Banana Man acknowledge his plagiarism and apologize on YouTube. Then every time Comfort trotted out his crap on YouTube someone could just link to the apology.

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  • Leo

    It’s amazing that anyone would do this and think it wouldn’t be picked up on.

    I find it funny that the only piece of original info Comfort added to those excerpts was that Emma Wedgwood was Darwin’s cousin. Vital knowledge to judge evolution.

    • Felix

      I don’t know, maybe he is this delusional. He wouldn’t likely think nobody would notice, but he might actually have copied those pages thinking he’ll get by by just ignoring complaints. It’s always worked out well for him in the past. Ignoring the evidence, ignoring education, ignoring accusations of quote-mining – this is just one more instance where he thinks he can sit it out until it blows over. He’s apologised for stuff like misquoting people or misrepresenting their views before, promising to do better, and boom, within one or two weeks he just did it again. His type of Christianity is designed to pervert any moral compass. Yes, I think it’s about time the legal system did something to bend his compass back into shape.

      • Jabster

        I wouldn’t put it past him to have know exactly what was going to happen but believe that it’s good publicity … if there’s one thing that Ray is good at it’s self publicity closely followed by posting stuff that even he must know is not true but plays to his loyal band of followers.

  • Sean

    This is no more dishonest than MLKJr.’s plagiarism in his DOCTORAL thesis, yet people don’t seem to care and even defend him.

    • wazza

      it helps that MLK is dead, I think, and so there’s no real reason to attack him for it.

      Plus, you know, MLK actually made a positive contribution to the world…

    • Custador

      MLK’s doctorate was in theology, too – Yet another example of a dishonest Christian – so what’s your point? The difference is, of course, that MLK actually atoned for it by doing some good in the world. Comfort is a lying scumbag without any redeaming qualities.

      Oh, plus MLK did it in the 1950s and was found out in the 1980s; we’re dicussing something a bit more recent, m’kay?

  • http://brgulker.wordpress.com brgulker

    Well, at least we know that something in Ray’s work came from a reputable source.

  • stsmith

    Roy Comfort has now apparently pulled the original pdf link, OriginofSpecies.pdf, to his book (404 Not Found Error). However, the directory http://assets.livingwaters.com/pdf/ shows that the pdf links “–OriginofSpecies–.pdf” (07-Oct-2009 10:02) and “__OriginofSpecies.pdf” (01-Oct-2009 07:15) are still available, which contain the cited plagiarism.

    I urge that these that these be downloaded and archived asap.

    • wazza

      hardcopies are all over the place. We’re good.

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  • http://www.diglot.wordpress.com kevin

    That does seem like some blatant plagiarism, sad.

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