The Christian and the Skeptic

by Jersey Flight

Christian: You are telling me that you used to believe? Well then, by all means, what changed your mind?

Skeptic: I loved to read and I always thought that I should read the strongest arguments I could find, this included arguments for Christianity, and skeptical arguments against Christianity. This way I was always competent in defending my faith.

Christian: So you read books that argued against what you believed?

Skeptic: I did.

Christian: But why would you do that?

Skeptic: Because I want the truth, even if it goes against what I desire.

Christian: But you used to believe, and you used to persuade skeptics that Christianity was true?

Skeptic: I did.

Christian: And now you no longer believe, and you seek to persuade Christians that Christianity is false?

Skeptic: Well, I tell them why I choose not to believe, if you call that seeking to persuade Christians that Christianity is false then I guess I am guilty.

Christian: And all of this came about because you read non-Christian books?

Skeptic: Something very close to that, yes. Of course, I also understood them and I also sought to refute them, but in the end, they only further exposed the inability of what I believed.

Christian: My goodness, I am never going to read non-Christian books!

Skeptic: And yet, another manifestation as to why I reject Christianity.

Jersey Flight is a former Christian minister and the founder of The Skeptic Thinker

  • Custador

    That was very good until the last line – I think a better response would have been:

    Skeptic: “But if you hold your belief to be in a perfect and holy being and you want to be able to argue His case fully, then you shouldn’t be afraid of opposing arguments – in fact you should familiarise yourself with them all and then learn how the Bible would refute them.”

    Some months pass….

    (Former) Christian: “Shit. You got me, didn’t you?”

    • RogerE

      Good one. Unfortunately, the “Christian” would most likely get a headache from the arguments and fall back upon the old standby, “the Bible tells me so.”

      • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

        Not necessarily. Obviously, a lot of atheists started out as Christians.

  • Erick I

    It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who just puts his fingers in his ears and goes “Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me”

  • nazani14

    I just read the Amazon reviewers’ comments on Dawkins’ ‘The Greatest show on Earth’ – most of those who panned the book had not read it.

  • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

    “My goodness, I am never going to read non-Christian books!”

    The only sure way to remain Christian. Sadly, most Christians adhere to this dictum. Ever try to get a Christian to read The End of Faith, arguably the most readable of New Atheist books?

    • DDM

      Which is funny because no one ever mentions Harris; it’s always Dawkins or Hitchens. The uh…most controversial, shall we say.

      • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

        I suggested that book to a recently converted Christian, of the moderate kind. He refused to read it being, as he claimed on another occasion, a babe in the faith. He claimed to have been an atheist prior to his conversion. Does anyone here know of other examples of atheists who became Christian?

        • Jerdog

          C. S. Lewis is the case I am most familiar with.

          Stupid Lion. If you knew you would be brought back to life how can you call it a sacrifice?

  • http://thebeattitude.com theBEattitude

    You have to be amazed by the human tendency to fear the truth. Even if the lie they chose to believe is absurd.

  • LRA

    This pretty much sums up how I lost my faith.

  • http://andrea-thenerd.xanga.com The Nerd

    My parents used to make certain books off limits to me, saying that they’d get me started down a “dark path”. Which books would those be? Books about how to cast spells or why God is dead? Nope. Books about the Blair Witch Trials, Greek mythology, and other such common historical elements of interest. When I became an adult, I couldn’t wait to get my fill of such forbidden books as Harry Potter, only to find out they were rather mundane, actually. I was like “this is what they were afraid would turn me to the dark side? How weak is their religion?”

    No matter, what Christians really should be afraid of is the internet. I now we fellow atheists can suddenly find each other and publicly post our thoughts for any and all to see. That’s what helped me gather the information I needed to realize the Bible is bunk.

  • bigjohn756

    Just read the Bible and you will give up Christianity.

    • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

      You would think so. But what about those that have no doubt read it but remain Christian anyway? Francis Collins would be a convenient example. And of course all of those theologians. That would include Cornel West and his “liberation theology”.

  • Kimberly

    I wonder what the results would be if you would be able to compare the average IQs of Christians v. Atheists….

    :)

    • Mike

      I don’t think religion is intelligence related, but there does seem to be an inverse correlation between educational level and religious belief. Whether ignorance causes people to fall back on religion, or religion causes people to remain ignorant, has not been determined. I’ve heard Dawkins ask for some research to be done on this.

  • Will

    I am not sure if this an all to common transition of faith to being rational, but I owe my clear mind to the Internet and the people on it. The fact that people can share ideology freely and do it without the worry of someone laughing at you or rejecting you on a personal level is a powerful thing.

  • http://nihilistology.wordpress.com The Nihilist

    Custardo added: “(Former) Christian: “Shit. You got me, didn’t you?””

    If only they had the balls and admitted such a thing. This is usually when the spineless “We’ll have to agree to disagree” gets eased in. :)

    • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

      “We’ll have to agree to disagree”

      Man I hate that phrase! It usually means “You’re right, I can’t refute anything you have said, but I refuse to admit it.”

    • Custador

      Some do. There are plenty of people here who abandoned their faith that way.

  • http://ironymous.blogspot.com/ nomad

    The Bible according to:

    Moderates – it’s myth but it’s true
    Fundamentalists -it’s not myth and it’s true
    Atheists – it’s myth and it’s not true

  • Triangle O. Daver

    “Skeptic: Well, I tell them why I choose not to believe, if you call that seeking to persuade Christians that Christianity is false then I guess I am guilty.”

    I’m bothered by this line. It’s something that I’ve noticed time and again on this site… this tendency to backpedal when it seems like what we are doing could be considered comparable to evangelism. So what? I AM trying to persuade Christians that Christianity is false. It doesn’t bother me that religious groups hand out flyers and hold meetings and try to get people to see things their way. What bothers me is that their religions are false. Why are we scared to be honest about that?


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