Rand Paul and Secret Societies

Apparently this ad has really rattled Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul, and he berated his opponent for it and refused to shake hands after a debate.

I have no idea about the truth or falsity of the accusations. If they’re true, they strike me a standard secret society antics. Irreligion is usually part of the package. Although kidnapping is extreme, “aqua Buddha” is just another slang term for a bong.

This particular group is called the NoZe Brotherhood. I suspect that if we could get access to the famous “Skull and Bones Society” in which George W. Bush was a member, we’d find similar things.

With O’Donnell’s “witchcraft” and Paul’s “aqua Buddha,” this has turned into a weird election year in the States.

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  • http://www.jeffandwendy.wordpress.com Jeff

    Once when I was at Baylor the University tried to make us sit through a long seminar on the dangers of drinking alcohol. The school dubbed it “Alcohol Awareness Day.” Fifteen minutes into the first speaker, ten NoZe brotherhood members marched into the auditorium (Waco Hall) carrying bouquets of helium filled balloons. One jumped on stage and yelled, “In honor of Alcohol Awareness day the NoZe invites you to skip class and go have a beer!” Then they let loose the balloons. Each bouquet had a mini car alarms tied to the bottom. The alarms blared so loudly there was no way the event could continue; and the ceiling was so high there was nothing anyone could do but wait for the balloons to drift back down to the floor. Best day of class ever.

    I’m actually more likely to vote for him because he was NoZe.

    • nazani14

      Let me harsh your mellow:
      “# Death: 1,825 college students between the ages of 18 and 24 die from alcohol-related unintentional injuries, including motor vehicle crashes (Hingson et al., 2009).
      # Injury: 599,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are unintentionally injured under the influence of alcohol (Hingson et al., 2009).
      # Assault: 696,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are assaulted by another student who has been drinking (Hingson et al., 2009).
      # Sexual Abuse: 97,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are victims of alcohol-related sexual assault or date rape (Hingson et al., 2009).”

      • http://www.jeffandwendy.wordpress.com Jeff

        I think my example may have lead this conversation down the wrong road.

        Please don’t miss understand. I’m not in favor of underage drinking. I personally didn’t consume any alcohol until I was near 30 years old. Nor do I approve of drunkenness in any form.

        I was merely trying to give an example of the type of satire the NoZe brotherhood is known for at Baylor. I found often to be hysterical and creative and usually focused at ridiculous actions of bureaucracies (like holding a morning of mandatory lectures in hopes of stemming collegiate drinking). I always enjoyed the satire of the NoZe and consider his involvement in the underground frat (if he was…membership has always been secret as I understand it…not sure how they would know he was NoZe?) as a positive. I didn’t intend to start a conversation around alcohol. Sorry for the poorly chosen example.

        • Custador

          Satire… I do not think that word means what you think it means…

          • Kodie

            Notice how someone is getting more credit, even a conservative Christian tea party candidate on a skeptical/atheist forum, for having been in NoZe, than detracted even further for having kidnapped and blindfolded a woman and tried to force her to smoke pot? I mean, KIDS! Boys! Whaddya gonna do? Ha ha silly 19 year old, he’s good though. NoZe are funny, lol!

            Although kidnapping is extreme, “aqua Buddha” is just another slang term for a bong.

            Who cares what “aqua Buddha” is slang for? What the hell kind of sentence is that? Yeah, she was such a square, she had it coming to her. His opponent is square too for calling attention to the pot-smoking freaky idol worship.

            Why does this ad lean so heavy on the false idol/secret society? People are so willing to overlook the “indiscretions” of a 19-year-old kidnapper, but are high-fiving the 19-year-old membership in a fraternal order who have a reputation for being cool. I mean, when you’re in college, nothing seems cooler than breaking up an alcohol-awareness meeting! Duuuuuude! That’s so cool. I’d vote for him too, based on how dudeness he was just for being in a secret society whose always busting on collegiate bureaucracy! Duuuude! Tying up a girl, eh, that’s just something you do.

            For real?

      • Elemenope

        Yeah, except those statistics are inflated ridiculously. “Alcohol-related” traffic accidents, for example, are declared so if any party involved in the accident has a detectable BAC (that is, >0.01), which as you know is eight times less than the legal limit for impairment. Ditto for assaults and injuries. Sexual assault-and-alcohol statistics are problematic for other methodological reasons (such as indissoluble co-morbidity with incapacitants like GHB and rohypnol).

        It bothers me a great deal that in order to pursue a policy goal of public safety, it has never been sufficient for groups like MADD and the Dept. of Health and Human Services to stick to actually relevant facts in order to make their case, but rather fall back on statistical BS and gross misrepresentation. Their methods have caused me to completely lose trust in their claims, which I might otherwise be sympathetic to.

        • LRA

          MADD is like Greenpeace to me… their “get sh*t done at any cost” tactics make them incredibly worrisome to me. They demonize things that aren’t that big of a deal… like Nope said, they twist irrelevant details to feather their nest. In Texas, if you have an empty beer can in the back of your truck and you are in an accident, suddenly it becomes an “alcohol related accident”… regardless of whether or not you actually consumed the beer!!!! If they have to resort to lying to get things done, then what value are they? If they ruin people’s lives by lobbying for bad laws and punishing people for things that they didn’t do, what do they care?

          In short, drinking and driving is bad and should be dealt with appropriately, but MADD sucks utterly and completely sucks.

          • LRA

            LOL! Yes, they suck redundantly as well.

            • Len

              Brought to you by the Department for Redundancy Department.

          • UrsaMinor

            It is my understanding that not so very long ago it was perfectly legal in Texas to drive down the road openly drinking a beer, as long as your blood alcohol level remained under the limit. Has Texas become less Texan?

            • LRA

              We’ve had open container laws (ie it is illegal to have an open container in a car) for at least 20 years that I can remember and probably much longer. The TABC don’t mess around.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    With O’Donnell’s “witchcraft” and Paul’s “aqua Buddha,” this has turned into a weird election year in the States.

    That’s just a start. O’Donnell’s views on the constitution are perhaps even funnier (and scarier, if she gets elected) than her brush with witchcraft. In Nevada, Sharron Angle tells Hispanic children that some of them look Asian, and that she has been called the “first Asian legislator” in Nevada. (She’s white.) In Alaska, a journalist was handcuffed at a Joe Miller event by his security team, just for asking questions. In New York, Carl Paladino threatened to “take out” a journalist who attempted to photograph his illegitimate daughter. At least he’s consistent, Paladino opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest. Candidate Jimmy MacMillan of the “The Rent is 2 Damn High” party is all for marriage liberty, he says if you want to marry a shoe, he would be willing to accommodate that. In Missouri, GOP Candidate Hartzler Wants ‘Government To Leave Us Alone’ Yet Has Taken $774,325 In Federal Subsidies for her family’s farming business. And I’m sure I’m forgetting a lot of other great stuff.

    • Len

      “brush with witchcraft”

      That was probably a broom.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    While Rand’s collegiate antics may have been bizarre, this is an unusual case of the Democrat campaigning that his opponent is not Christian enough. I view that as an unwelcome development. I would think there is enough bizarritude in Paul’s current positions and statements on which to formulate an attack.

    • Yoav

      I completely agree, having candidates try to out-christian one another is not a step in the right direction. Now if there was a candidate running an add saying “unlike my opponent I don’t believe in fairytales and, if elected, will base policy decisions on the best available data and not on a book of bronze age myths”, we can always dream.

    • Mike

      Surely the point is the hypocrisy – or at least inconsistency – of Paul’s current views and his previous behaviour.

      Though FSM forbid we were all judged on our behaviour in college. I’d hate to think of all the misdeeds that would crawl out of the woodwork if I ever stood for public office.

      • http://theskippyreview.wordpress.com Skippy

        Ain’t that the truth, Mike. At 19, I was a fundietarded, deeply closeted stick-in-the-mud who seemed congenitally incapable of enjoying anything other than judging the hell out of other people. While I may find Paul’s politics–and his behavior while in college reprehensible, but I am not at all happy about his opponent’s attack ad. As Yoav pointed out above, the “out-christianing” in that ad is just plain disgusting.

  • nazani14

    I don’t really like the ad, but if candidates are going to say *anything* about how much they like Christianity or any other religion, then they should expect to have their behavior examined by the standards of that religion.

    As for Rand Paul, I have no sympathy for his tender youth. 99% of us managed to get through high school and college without tying anybody up or committing other “pranks.” I have a lot more respect for young men and women who resist peer pressure and pack mentality to drink too much or otherwise act like idiots. I’m sick of hearing bad behavior and crime called “a mistake.” A mistake is when you take exit 33a instead of 33b, or when you misdial a phone number. Crimes generally require a sequence of conscious decisions.

    • Bill

      So we should all be judged by how we behaved when we were 19?

      That’s going to yield some interesting results.

      • Kodie

        There’s really no reason we should be raising a society that doesn’t grasp how to behave responsibly and respectfully by the age of 19. Should I be judged on how I behaved when I was 10? How about 26? Peer pressure, low or non-existent punishments for foul behavior toward others (in this case a woman), why should you sweep that under the rug because you’re not 19 anymore? What is the threshold now for behaving like a responsible adult? I happen to think if you don’t know it by 19, you’re not an adult, you shouldn’t have the privileges associated if you weren’t raised right. 18 years is a long time to be raised.

        Oct. 13, Yale DKE fraternity pledges marched on campus past female freshmen dorms chanting “No means yes, yes means anal!”

        How do young men find themselves in such a position to think that’s ok, to not say, no I won’t do that – it’s horrible? That issue is complex on its own – basically no spine, and the delicious temptation of joining a prestigious frat, hazing generally is that way, and generally goes unnoticed and unpunished. The campus did not punish them severely, the fraternity was forced to apologize, and they will get to continue their education, graduate, and go on to reap the benefits of membership in a nationally recognized fraternal order, that means business contacts and networks. If called out later, they will be able to say, well, I was only 19, silly pranks and all…

        Yale’s response: http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/oct/20/university-responds-dke-incident/
        DKE’s response: http://www.dke.org/site/news/news.php&id=616

        It might actually be, due to public pressure, these lads will be punished more severely for their actions, but from what I could gather when it first came up, DKE president apologized, the pledges were forced to apologize, and the incident was being chalked up to “free speech” and “youthful indiscretion.”

        When and where I went to school, DKEs were not recognized on campus, hung banners on their house welcoming the incoming freshmen girls parents, “Bring us your daughters!” Well known for being so foul as to lose their on-campus status, for peeing on anyone who passed out at their parties, and #1 in date rape. I mean, if you’re a woman, you have ample warning (so blame the victim?), but that doesn’t mean another frat isn’t equally apt to abuse power over women, it just means quite probably, that they’re not caught or punished, able to maintain a lower profile compared to the DKs. Nevertheless, you can see on the banner on their page, the faces of prominent DK alumni, see if you recognize any who went up through Yale.

        In the case of the Yale incident, it’s one incident where the bigs conjured up this deed, nobody protested. Put the stunt to the pledges, nobody protested. Do you think being young but over the age of majority makes it ok? In the case of Rand Paul, I don’t know what happened, it all seems like it shouldn’t have happened, and he should not just excuse it, he should be embarrassed by it, and yes, teach your children not to embarrass themselves in the far future by acting like immature assholes and (borderline) criminals when they turn adult! The incidents have a high rate of being brushed under the rug at that age – condoning the idea that it’s not that big a deal, and that being young is a valid excuse.

        • Bill

          Hold on a second. You have gone pretty far afield from the original post, which was about the alleged “religious” beliefs of a candidate, not about him sexually harassing or assaulting women. Clearly criminal acts, regardless of what age they are committed at are more serious than silly beliefs in an aqua buddah.

          That being said, I stand by my original statement that we shouldn’t judge people for their entire lives based on their behavior at 19. At 19 I was immature, and made a number of poor decisions that I would not make as an adult. I’m a different person than I was then, and I assume most people are. While nobody can deny their past, it is unfair to judge them based on how they behaved as a teenager.

          • Kodie

            I was thinking about this later after I wrote it, and I still think I’m right. There’s a reason things you do before you’re 18 are not held in view as criminally as if you did them after you turn 18. I’m not saying I was perfect, but I was also raised in a pretty tight house, restricted and made afraid of breaking rules and no, I did not develop a wild streak as soon as I got my “freedom” 400 miles away at college. Wasted an opportunity? We all might think so, I didn’t get involved in anything dangerous or get swept up in peer pressure to do anything illegal. Is that for the wrong reasons though? I had more a fear of authority than a respect for it, so it kind of has the same results.

            I still think, if you look at it, 18 years is a long time to be a child. There’s really no reason that 19 or 20 should be a “grace” period; the law doesn’t consider it so. What is wrong with looking at it that way? The post overlooked an egregious act pretty easily as it seemed to have a harmless ending (did this anonymous woman have any suffering after-effects and should that matter? What about the Yale freshman women who were taunted on their campus? What about the pledges who seemed to think it was a good enough idea to go along with it, or what – not get into DKE?)

            The message I’m getting from some of the responses is that Rand Paul, he’s an alright guy, and his opponent is a douche for digging up his pot-smoking idol-worship. Oh, by the way, he tied up a woman and tried to get her to smoke pot, but that’s ok, that’s what high people tend to get themselves up to, and NoZe Bros, so jealous!

            I just think our societal standards for behavior are a little whacked when 18 years isn’t long enough to know between right and wrong, you get a few bonus years of training wheels before anyone really considers you an adult. Have at it. These are probably the kinds of things parents should have a sense of humor so you learn it all before you’re 18, so you can conduct yourself as an adult when you’re an adult, have some respect for people and act like a responsible human being for your actions. But we don’t do that, do we. What’s the cut-off date for not having the sense not to tie someone up? Why does anyone think this guy was cool?

            • Mike

              Kodie – I don’t think anyone believes he was ‘cool’, he was (assuming the accuracy of the reports) being an asshole. But this is not quite the same as knowing the difference between right and wrong – it’s perfectly possible to know this, and to behave accordingly most of the time, but still act like an asshole at times given the heady mixture of peer pressure, unaccustomed freedom and drugs of legal or illegal varieties.

              There is a fine line sometimes between student pranks and criminal behaviour, and it seems to me that Paul has at best pushed this boundary and at worst crossed it. If it’s the latter he should rightly be condemned, but if everyone who acted like a dick (particularly men – women seem to grow up faster) in college was excluded from public life, I think we’d be in an even worse mess than we are.

              Now I have no time for Paul nor his politics, and particularly no time for his religion, but this ad really is the pits – it must be, because I find myself sympathising with Paul. Not because I feel his behaviour was harmless (not enough evidence on this one way or the other) but because this kind of gutter character attack is something I associate with the ‘holier-than-thou’ religious mob. I’d feel better if it was left with them.

            • Kodie

              Well there are a lot of social problems involved just in this one instance that can’t easily be resolved by just thinking something is wrong with this. Society tends to be lenient toward the aggressions of adult “boys” and also of religious people being a little uptight. I mean, we’re mostly keyed into the games and how destructive they are. Seems like Paul will win that election anyway, so it both seems desperate and predictable of his opponent to do whatever he has to to rattle those birdbrains by any means necessary – are you Christian and self-righteous? Did you know your favorite candidate belonged to a fraternal order, smoked pot, and mocked the authority of a predominantly white Baptist college brazenly and secularly?

              I mean, hey. What do we all know about Christians? They’re all forgiven, right? So the ad is ineffective. Once you find Jesus, none of that matters. Did you see Paul’s response ad? It was so soft. If he was in trouble in the polls for some reason, they’d be a lot harder, guarantee. There’s no reason to like Rand Paul, either from this ad, otherwise, or finding out he’s a NoZe alumnus. I read up on the NoZe, and sure enough, for “our side,” they were intent on shaking things up at these Baptist straight arrows, blaspheming and generally being irreverent. I wouldn’t say satirical, and I wouldn’t necessarily say they condoned abuse like kidnapping, and that’s all “ends justifies the means” anyway (which still isn’t always the right way to effect change or make your voice heard).

              What, if we’re excusing his offenses as a 19-year-old sort of kidnapper asshoIe, does his 19-year-old alleged membership in an organization whose intentions seem to be really cool but don’t necessarily pull it off as respectfully of human autonomy as they could have to do with his position as a candidate now? He’s generally not worried as people usually excuse the indiscretions of a young man, and once you’ve welcomed Jesus into your life, none of these godbots are concerned anyway.

              And if 18 years isn’t long enough to raise a child straight enough not to impose themselves and their will on others, how long is? Obviously, we’re faced with proselytizers of any age who think they’re saving us. How old is Rand Paul’s opponent, something something Conway (I think). Mostly how the world should be and how it really is baffles me a lot of the time. If someone gets off scot-free from taking someone from their home to tie them up and blind-fold them, even if the victim did not press charges, does not really make them an ok person. They still committed something they didn’t take responsibility for. In many cases, in many more worse cases, it is still brushed under the rug because they are young, but over the age of majority, and we as a society expect this behavior and excuse it, I’m sorry, but it’s just disgusting.

  • WarbVIII

    Don’t know about anyone else but in a lot of ways I am the ame asshole I was when I was 19…and ya know, I wouldn’t do what he he did…then again I wouldn’t join a frat or ‘secret society’ I don’t think I would or have anyway. Yet what pisses me off most about this add is what it lists as bad things are the only GOOD things I have seen about the man. Then again,this is not something new but has been around and brought up for years by many, in fact this might be the 3rd time on this site I know for sure it’s at least the second a far as Aqua Buhddah goes anyway.

  • http://brandonwalker.org Brandon Walker

    Wow. This ad actually gave me ONE reason to like Rand Paul. I went to Baylor myself and found the NoZe brotherhood to be one of the few culturally relevant organizations at the school. (Still won’t be voting for him should the opportunity arise, but he gets one point for being a NoZe.)

  • Reginald Selkirk

    October 22, 2010 at 9:29 am – “Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Whafo? No links, no malware, and nothing you couldn’t verify by reading the news.

    • Kodie

      The filtering system seems to block the posts that have curses in them or words which innocently contain other words that would be common in spam, like it was funny when we found a lot of blocked posts named a form of government which contains a drug to treat erectile dysfunction. My post may await moderation as well. It’s not personal, it happens.

      • Kodie

        I meant to elaborate that those posts are usually posted intact when a moderator has time to look at it and see that it is fine, but the filter overcompensates in order to prevent spamming and posts with little content other than cursing someone out, which we would all have to suffer until a moderator could take them away. I think waiting is fine. I had a post awaiting moderation today because I forgot to spell asshoIe with an I.

  • Len

    At around 0:20, it says he wants to end Federal faith-based initiatives. Would he perhaps also end tax exemption for churches?