Quote of the Moment: Repealing Karma

There’s a bill pending in Arizona – HB 2582 – that prohibits the courts from using “religious sectarian law” in their decisions. It’s one of those bills that’s trying to prevent “creeping Sharia Law” from taking over our country. It defines religious sectarian law as:

… any statute, tenet or body of law evolving within and binding a specific religious sect or tribe. Religious sectarian law includes Sharia Law, Canon Law, Halacha and Karma but does not include any law of the United States or the individual states based on Anglo‑American legal tradition and principles on which the United States was founded.

Um … Karma isn’t a body of law or anything. It’s a religious principle that says that our deeds will influence our path along the wheel of life, death and reincarnation.

In Hindu myths, even the gods are subject to Karma. There’s really nothing you can do about it. It’s like trying to repeal the law of gravity.

  • GaR

    It’d be harder to repeal an actual physical force than an imaginary spiritual concept, I think.

  • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com/ Custador

    Nice little caveat at the end “[does not include] the principles on which the United States were founded”.

    The fact that this phrase is included in a bill about legal freedom from (other) religions tells you exactly what religion the framers support, tells you that they’re clueless about American history, and probably makes the bill unconstitutional.

    • mikespeir

      “…Anglo‑American legal tradition and principles on which the United States was founded.”

      In other words, the Bible, right? ;-) How stupid do they think we are?

      • Len

        The US wasn’t founded on the bible. Despite what they think.

  • DDM

    Wow, that looks entirely like the gubment respecting an establishment of religion. Have they not read the first amendment?

  • Len

    If it passes, then I guess it also outlaws anti-abortion laws because they’re based on religion too.

    But the Karma bit is just a buffer – it gives them some negotiating room.

    • Francesc

      Good point. What happens when a law is both a “religous sectarian law” and a “religious sectarian (but from the one we follow) law”?
      Imagine that an anti-abortion law is based on the Bible and at the same time on Sharia.
      This wouldn’t be a rare event, as both holly books, christian and muslim, share a pretty similar morality.

  • Steve

    I’m curious how this will affect counties that prohibit alcohol sales on Sundays.

  • Yoav

    It gets better.

    2. Precedent or the foundation for any legal theory.

    C. Any decision or ratification of a private agreement that is determined, on the merits, by a judge in this state who relies on any body of religious sectarian law or foreign law is void, is appealable error and is grounds for impeachment and removal from office.

    D. This section applies to a federal court sitting in diversity jurisdiction.

    E. This section does not apply to:

    1. A statute or any case law developed in the United States and its territories that is based on Anglo-American legal tradition and principles on which the United States was founded.

    2. A statute or any case law or legal principle that was inherited from Great Britain before the effective date of this article.

    3. The recognition of a traditional marriage between a man and a woman as officiated by the clergy or a secular official of the matrimonial couple’s choice.

    F. For the purposes of this section:

    1. “Foreign Body” includes the United Nations and any agency thereunder, the European Union and any agency thereunder, an international judiciary, the International Monetary Fund, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, the World Bank and the Socialist International.

    So they cover all the evil NWO bodies and shove the traditional marriage in, the rest of it is an argument for a radical view of state rights used to argue the unconstitutionality of “OBAMACARE”, a nice concentration of teacup stupid all in one short bill.

  • http://skepticaljew.blogspot.com MKR

    Religious sectarian law includes Sharia Law, Canon Law, Halacha and Karma

    Oh, please, please, please, can someone tell them that “Karma” is wrong and get them to change it to “Kama Sutra”? Please, please, please!

    • Len

      I don’t want anyone banning the Kama Sutra.

      • http://skepticaljew.blogspot.com MKR

        Neither do I; I just want them to make an even more risible display of their ignorance.

        • http://a-million-gods.blogspot.com/ Avicenna

          Man the Kama Sutra is overrated. New rule guys! Never trust anything written to do with sex written by an eunuch.

          Also a lot of it is really sexist nonsense about how to classify women and how to engage them based on said classifications. The sex bits are actually a rather small bit of the entire thing.

          • Len

            When I read (and practised bits of*) the KS, I would never have thought that Vatsyayana was a eunuch. I guess that Readers’ Digest has a lot of explaining to do.

            * Maybe that’s why I have compacted disks in my back.

  • MahouSniper

    I don’t have much of a problem with people prohibiting religious laws from taking hold in our legal system. It’s something I’m actually fighting for. However, this law seems pretty unnecessary. And kinda dumb.

    • Len

      I don’t have much of a problem with people prohibiting religious laws from taking hold in our legal system. It’s something I’m actually fighting for.

      Unless the ones that are already there are exempt.

  • M

    I’m Hindu so I think I’ll move to Arizona so i can do whatever the hell I want

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