LaHaye on the Tsunami

Tim LaHaye:

Tim LaHaye, the best-selling author of the “Left Behind” series of Bible prophecy novels, was one of many visiting the island of Maui who had to be evacuated to upper floors of the Marriott Hotel today.

He said being caught in the crossfire of the fourth largest earthquake in modern history helped prepare him for two prophecy conferences he was scheduled to address in Hawaii.

“The Bible tells us in Matthew 24 that one of the signs of the last days – one of the birth pangs to occur – is an increase in earthquake activity and intensity,” LaHaye told WND. “We’re seeing that happen here. It’s not just earthquakes, but hurricanes and all kinds of natural disasters.”

I’ve been watching the videos of the earthquake and tsunami with horror and incomprehension. I can’t wrap my brain around the scale involved. I have no mental categories to fit those images in.

But LaHaye does. Everything is understood as part of the unfolding apocalypse. You can hear the excitement in the quote; things are happening, he’s being proven right, soon he’ll be caught up into heaven.

No mention of the incredible amount of human suffering that the disaster is causing.

This is the kind of thing that frightens me about religion. It can pervert the normal human sense of empathy. I’m sure that right now there are countless apocalyptics who are watching the same videos I am, but with a sense of glee. It’s all coming true, and they’re on the right side.

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  • Mike

    My kids are in Japan – fortunately in Nara and well out of the way of the really nasty stuff. If I catch any of these smug p***ks exhibiting glee, I will not be responsible for my actions.

    • JK

      Tell me where and when – I’ll be holding those pricks for you to hit them ^^.

  • Avicenna

    That was fast. But I suppose there are always vultures. Sorry Mike, but these people feel that disaster means their viewpoints are supported.

    If there was a meteor strike these people would be out there saying “I told you so” and “protesting about any plans we have to deflect the damn thing”.

    For what it’s worth we are thinking of going down there if they need it since I am only 8 hours away.

    • FO

      Don’t, unless volunteers are specifically asked for by some legit organization.
      You may end up just increasing the number of people to be fed, clogging the transports or just be in the way.

  • UrsaMinor

    I’ve been waiting for the Phelps clan to chime in and tie the earthquake to God Hates Fags.

    • burpy

      Izanagi-no-Mikoto and Izanami-no-Mikoto hate Otaku, perhaps?

      • Mike

        Otaku wa gei-boi ja nai yo.

  • Baconsbud

    I wish christians would study history. How many times in the past 150 years have these same word been said because of some natural disasters. Anytime there is some disaster these types of people start calling them signs yet seem to forget that they are just repeating themselves and those that came before. How many signs does it take to figure out that the signs are a load of crap.

    • Mike

      More than one lifetime’s worth, apparently.

    • JK

      Those guys really need some proof for their teachings – which cannot be found. So they seem to be really happy if something looks remotely like those prophecies in their “holy” book.

  • Balstrome

    Reality is a hard thing to come to terms with, especially if you have be brought up to believe that there are gods in control of things and they will look after you.

    It could have been much worse that it is, I am sure that the Japanese are thankful for paying that extra cost to rebuild and re-enforce their building after Kobe.There is an interesting article about this on scienceblogs

    • Bender

      What’s going on with scienceblogs? I haven’t been able to access the site all week.

      • burpy

        I managed to get on it briefly a couple of days ago. There was an article up saying that they are being subjected to a DDoS attack. It seems some people are having no problems accessing the site, but many others are.

    • Kodie

      People will say how much they are praying, but what does that do? Japan could not pray not to have an earthquake eventually, they do the smart thing and hope to minimize the devastation. This is called being realistic.

  • Charity

    “This is the kind of thing that frightens me about religion. It can pervert the normal human sense of empathy.”

    Yes, exactly! I love the way you put that. One of the things that made me start questioning my faith was how shocked I was at my own lack of empathy when my friend suffered a tragedy and then came to me about going to church with me. My first thought was, “This is wonderful! God did have a plan in this tragedy! If it hadn’t happened, she might never have found Jesus!” My second thought was,”I am a terrible, rotten, sick person for being happy about someone’s tragedy.” That was the beginning of the end for me. It was that moment that I realized how messed up Christianity is.

    • JohnMWhite

      It is definitely to your credit that you manages the recognise how horrible that thought process was. I wonder why it is that some people can and others appear to either not realise or not care. I would have said that religion can not only pervert empathy but prevent it. The number of Catholics I know who are generally nice people yet turn utterly sociopathic in their cold indifference to the suffering of thousands of abused children because it’s either that or badmouth the Pope is thoroughly disheartening.

      • Custador

        Doublethink. The ability to hold two contradicting ideas in your mind and not see a problem.

      • Karen

        I find this aspect of Catholic belief awful. When Michael Jacson died, my super-Catholic grandmother would spew hate at the TV coverage of his death because “He is a child-abuser! Who wants to hear about this pervert?”

        I could never reply with a witty remark about the CONVICTED Catholic priest pedophiles vs. an acquitted pop star. She was my grandmother, and I loved her anyway.

    • Avicenna

      The worst whips are the ones inside your own mind.

      It’s less messed up than just a human response. The idea is “that there must be a plan otherwise this is just a senseless waste of life”. It’s a coping mechanism to deal with an incredibly hostile world which we cannot control. It’s the only way they can deal with a loving god who is all powerful and would let this happen. If their god was not all powerful then this would just be a way of the world.

      Japan spends billions every year to deal with earthquake readiness. And it still did so much damage. The casualty rate is so low (considering a wave that was slightly smaller that hit India killed nearly 7000 people there) because people are so very prepared for this very thing. It’s an amazing testament to human ingenuity and preparedness to survive this.

  • mikespeir

    Yay! Jesus is coming and the blood’s gonna be up to the horses’ bridles! Joy!

  • Jeff

    So, you all are basically saying that he should be more considerate to the victims of these tragic events and not use the disaster as a means by which to convey or even consider his ideals?

    • FO

      People before ideals.

    • Doubletops

      I don’t think anyone is refuting his right to emphasis his ideals in light of the event. It is more a questioning of his ideals in general.

    • Kodie

      That’s a little “glass half full” to a disabling fault of humanity. Hey, something terrible happened. At least in the big scheme of things, there’s not a lot most of us can actually do. We can donate money and get on with our lives, some of us can, not all of us can. Also in the large scheme of things is inefficient and unnecessary to halt everything so everyone can have a big empathetic cry over it. But these things touch us. Good things can come out of crises, but that doesn’t ever make crises good. It’s really gross, and a huge overstep of religious belief, to immediately squish the bad feelings and look for something positive to come of it. The only way people get away with saying pathologically insensitive things is to hide behind their religious beliefs. This is how I pray, this is how I cope, there has to be an upshot here which involves and benefits me ultimately. How can I comfort the people who really matter most in this tragedy — The Christians sitting comfortably at home watching this tragedy unfold on tv.

      That is gross. Also what’s known around the internet as “too soon.”

  • mikespeir

    I don’t remember anything about hurricanes in Revelation.

    • Len

      They were added for effect in the Hollywood remake.

  • Pedro

    That LaHaye says that without putting the event in light of the human suffering, and merely as a an alleged sign of fulfillment of the Last Days shows that fundamentalism needs to die and resurrect. I am a Christian and believe in the Bible but not in a blind literalism. When will they wake up that horrible human suffering has been happening, or continuing even after Jesus’ resurrection. One more event like this does not show that Jesus is about to arrive any time sooner than the last time Japan had an earthqueke over 8 in the 1700s. If Christians are praying for these kinds of things to happen for people to ‘wake up and repent’ before Jesus return on the clouds and the good go up and the evil to worse and more suffering, is a sad situation. No wonder so many christians have no answer but BLIND faith.

  • Francesco

    this apocaliptic bullshit is like crochroaches: you can kill it any time you want, it will always rise again.

    • Kodie


      That’s better than the real word.

      • Ebon Badger

        Lol. In fairness though, all you have to do to kill a roach is stamp on it. Or chop off it’s head and watch for a week while it dies. Quite how you kill fundamentalism though…

        • Kodie

          I was told never to stomp on a roach. For one thing, it doesn’t matter how many you kill, they will survive and come back, and you will never get rid of them all, which I think is what Francesco meant. But as to not stomping on them, the janitorial staff at my old job warned me not to step on roaches if I saw any, because if it’s carrying eggs, they stick to your shoe, you bring them everywhere, you bring them home.

          • Ebon Badger

            Oh right. And eww.

          • Custador

            I had a friend who stomped on a roach so hard he broke his ankle – and the roach survived! There’s a message there, I’m sure :p

            • Avicenna

              I am deathly scared of roaches and wouldn’t surprise me. I stood on one once without a shoe. It died and I was so grossed out I literally stuck my foot in a shower with my eyes closed and ran it on hot for about 15 minutes until I was sure all the bits and pieces were washed away…

              I then got my flatmate to clean up the mess.

              But its weird, I don’t mind other insects. just them. Incidentatlly did anyone see the radiation test on various insects in Mythbusters? Very scary.

            • Justice Gustin

              I stomped on a roach once- burned my foot.

  • rufus
    • Nelly

      that makes me extremely sad

      and angry

    • JK

      OMFSM – what an arsehole compilation.

      “They started WWII”? Nope – they got the US to enter WWII, which was going on for years…

  • Jing-reed

    Christians LOVE disasters since they believe it helps to prop up their scary views of the future according to the bible. There is one youtube video entitled ‘A Prayer for Japan’ which has footage of the earthquake/tsunami [ ] with trumpets heralding the end of the world – or something of the sort. My favorite part was “I know its a part of God’s plan” . . .

    So I guess it is obvious that Jehovah has a special hard-on for those heathen Japanese Shinto/Buddhists.

    • Avicenna

      And that his giant wave is being defeated by proper sanitation, preparedness and anti earthquake construction.

      Just wait, God hates Japan will be up soonish.

  • Bill Macomber

    Not to mention this could also be a product of something he probably says is a lie, Global Warming.

    • Custador

      Er, what?! That’s just… No. Global-warming can’t cause earthquakes. Not unless it gets so hot that rocks start melting!

      • Skippy

        And by the time it got so hot that the tectonic plates started to melt…well, we’d all be good and dead.

        • Kodie

          I think it’s easy to associate heat and cold in a normal earthly range with expansion and contractions, as in sidewalks and roads.

          I’m not about to learn that page, but it’s probably easily misunderstood and easily corrected. I know from visiting caverns as a youth the temperature below ground is not going to vary so much, if at all. I’m not scientist, that’s why I don’t come out and say stuff with any certainty or accusations, but earthquake events do not seem to have anything to do with the atmosphere or weather patterns, el nino, la nina, hurricanes, ozone layer depletions, ice cap meltings, or cows farting. It’s an easy mistake to make, but that’s why I just keep my odd thoughts and associations to myself and let someone else talk about science.

  • ironflange

    What a despicable cur. I’d be willing to bet that even Jesus thinks he’s an asshole.

  • Dwight Whitsett

    Have no fear,
    LaHaye is nowhere near,
    His goal is abject fear,
    That’s why he acts so queer.

    His books he wants to sell,
    By scaring us to hell,
    And he does it all so well,
    As he casts his bogus spell.

    • Jabster

      You do realise that you’ve pretty much summed up Christianty there – oh don’t tell me LaHaye’s not a true True ChristianTM.

  • busterggi

    I knew that jesus was coming back as soon as the Chixilub meteor stgruck!

    The end of the world has begun!

    • Avicenna

      Well the end of the world has been going on for around 5 billion years. It’s just going to be a while.

  • AtheistBright

    Tim LaHaye, don’t bother trying to wrap your feeble mind around anything. Instead, wrap a pound of C-4 around your skull, and blow yourself to Hell!

    • Mike

      He only needs to blow his brains out, why waste 99.99999998% of a perfectly good pound of C4?

  • Danny Ferguson

    Very well said. I confess that the attitude portrayed by many of us who profess to be friends with God do a poor job of showing it when it really matters.

  • kholdom0790

    This is so messed up… I mean, everything that has been happening with the weather lately is messed up. But this earthquake/tsunami hit me pretty personally…I have (Japanese) friends and family. Luckily they don’t live in Fukushima Pref but still… the aftershocks seemed nightmarish.

    My mum likes to say, “aren’t you glad you didn’t go THIS year?” every time we see footage on TV. I swear if she does it one more time I’m going to…do something.

  • DicePlayGod

    “… one of the signs of the last days … is an increase in earthquake activity and intensity. We’re seeing that happen here.”

    I have no idea of the facts – is there even any truth to this statement? Do we have any records of the frequency of natural disasters over time? How far back?

    I do know it would be hard to equate today’s natural disasters with the Big One that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

    • Custador

      Christians have been calling EndTimes(TM) for two thousand years. Just nod, smile and ignore them.

      • aerie

        No. That’s the problem. We (americans) have remained apathetic and unaffected far too long and now we are watching our country & the very essence of democracy being destroyed by religionists in their smug, outspoken plan to turn it into a Christian-Jesus Theocracy. We’ve watched while they’ve dragged us back into the Dark Ages, putting us behind is almost every category except for prisons/prisoners, crime, hate, bigotry, ignorance, nationalism, family values bullsh*t and the rest of their disgusting filth. We’re just as guilty for allowing it happen.

        All because we chose to nod, smile and ignore them.

  • Barry Johnstone

    I would like to think that my poo is worse – but now I’m not so sure!