McDowell vs. the Internet

According to Josh McDowell, the atheists are winning, and we’re using that dirty internet to do it:

Atheists and skeptics now have equal access to our children as we have, which is why the number of Christian youth who believe in the fundamentals of Christianity is decreasing and sexual immorality is growing, apologist Josh McDowell said.

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“The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe, the almost equal access to your kids as your youth pastor and you have… whether you like it or not,” said McDowell, who is author of two books on Christian apologetics, More than a Carpenter and New Evidence that Demands Verdict.

The internet: turning children into atheists and skeptics since the early 90s.

“Now here is the problem,” said McDowell, “going all the way back, when Al Gore invented the Internet [he said jokingly], I made the statement off and on for 10-11 years that the abundance of knowledge, the abundance of information, will not lead to certainty; it will lead to pervasive skepticism. And, folks, that’s exactly what has happened. It’s like this. How do you really know, there is so much out there… This abundance [of information] has led to skepticism. And then the Internet has leveled the playing field [giving equal access to skeptics].”

I get what he’s saying. I think all of us realize that using the internet can be like drinking from a firehose. There’s so much information out there that it can be hard to know what’s real. Dealing with that everyday is going to make anyone more skeptical. But is that necessarily a bad thing?

To McDowell it is. Anything that lead to questioning the revealed truth of evangelical protestant Christianity is definitely a bad thing in his book. But he’s savvy enough to realize that you can’t completely shield your kids, at least not without going full fundy. So he advocates three things, the first two are hard to argue with: live up to your own ideals and have a good relationship with your kids.

The third thing is knowledge. Christians need to “arm yourselves to answer your children’s and grandchildren’s questions.” Not bad on the surface, but the cynic in me thinks that translates to “buy my books!”

  • http://godconfusion.blogspot.com/ Xanthe Wyse

    wow..newsflash…knowledge & information leads to skepticism. Funny that.

    • http://bookingelf.com/ Bookingelf

      yup… it is strange indeed… The more you know, the less you tend to believe the magic man in the sky who watches every move people make, especially those when they are naked, and waits to strike in a second and puts his beloved creatures to hell and of course he loves people… Not knowing doesn’t make you “ceartain” it just makes you stupid. Apparently their ‘values’ doesn’t worth as much if it is so damn simple to “destroy” them… I myself would never give up on something “valuable” just because some person told me to do so.

    • http://lydiafromtexas.wordpress.com/ LRA

      It reminds me of this scene in Beauty and the Beast:

      Gaston: [tossing the book aside] Belle, it’s about time you got your head out of those books and paid attention to more important things. Like me. The whole town’s talking about it. It’s not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts getting “ideas”, and “thinking”-

      Belle: Gaston, you are positively primeval.

      Gaston: Why, thank you, Belle!

      • TrickQuestion

        No one limits the progression of intellectual progress like Gaston…

  • http://www.ryan-mclaughlin.com Ryan

    “going full fundy” … love it.

    • JD

      Never go full fundy…..

  • http://theascendancymemoirs.blogspot.com/ wazza

    to be fair, there’s only one book a christian ever needs to arm themselves against their childrens’ questions:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr1I3mBojc0

  • Igor

    Sounds like the Internet is another apple on that Tree of Knowledge. DON’T EAT IT!!!! You’ll know things, and look where that leads.

    • josh fitch

      Mmmmmmmm… tasty internet…

    • Jason B

      A fine point my good sir.

      Now to the various fundamentalist Christians who are reading this, please help me understand something. Considering God is all knowing, why did he put the tree of knowledge in Paradise, along with a talking snake cunning enough to subvert Eve? He knew what would happen. Why did he get angry? If he left those two things out we would’ve been in Paradise forever.

      What loving person would do that? It’s like a parent lacing a candy with cyanide and instructing your child not to eat it..then leaving the candy in their room. That’s pure malice.

      Thoughts?

      • oliver

        Something about “free will” blah blah and “faith” blah blah that summarizes as “submit to my group or else”.

        Yep, that makes sense.

      • Green Eggs and Ham

        It’s his sandbox; he gets to make the rules is the gist of one strand of the response.

        • http://lydiafromtexas.wordpress.com/ LRA

          Hey, you! Come here often?

          LOL!

  • SouthernRob

    The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe, the almost equal access to your kids as your youth pastor and you have… whether you like it or not

    This strikes me as dishonest and I have to wonder if he really believes it. He phrases the problem as “Think of the children!” but his approach in combating the “problem” is primarily to stifle their curiosity. I can understand why: the non-believers online won’t act the way they’re portrayed in Church and won’t be satisfied with softball apologetics. The internet doesn’t give those horrible people the ability to reach out into kids’ rooms and steal their faith. It gives kids the ability to seek out deeper answers, and the type of “apologetics” he teaches and sells is pretty shallow stuff. It consists, as he says, of having pat answers handy when “tough” questions come up.

    From the article:
    If you don’t model what you teach your kids, forget it. If they don’t see it, they won’t believe it

    I wish Christian parents understood that what they are actually modelling when they follow advice like his is that they are afraid and are content with easy answers.

  • Joseph

    I have a strong dislike for those who use skepticism as a swear word, and act as if they aren’t equally skeptical about everything else, with special dispensation given to some archaic belief instilled in them in childhood that they’ve grown too afraid to let go of. But I do love a good run-on sentence.

  • Jim T

    I like the last line of the post.

    “It’s all about the Benjamins”

  • trj

    I’m all for parents or grandparents learning more about their own religion. Often as not that is a path to religious skepticism. Which is also why I have a feeling that Josh doesn’t want them to go beyond his own apologetic worldview in their learning process. So much for that.

  • Sajanas

    Dan Dennett wrote a nice article (The Unbelievable Truth) about how religion has effectively chosen to leave its practitioners in ignorance of a lot dogma (and even more of its history) because its hard to find believable, its contradicted by historical or scientific evidence, or its just too brutal for today. In a way, its great for frustrating non-believers who are arguing against religion, since a lot of the practitioners won’t even be aware of what their beliefs entail, or what weird and scary things are in the Bible, but it comes with the price of almost guaranteeing that they lose a good portion of the smart church goers.

    Pretty much all of the religious education that my friends and I have received has involved the ignoring or stiflingly of hard to answer questions and a lot of ‘we know because we know’. Its a frustrating sort of thing to sit through, especially when in regular school the more you question, the more you learn. Throw the internet in there, and suddenly you can get other answers to the questions that religious teachers and parents refuse to answer.

    • JohnMWhite

      Religious Education in a Religious school did often seem to be a curious oxymoron. Asking questions was asking for trouble, really, and the less you knew the more the teacher liked you.

      Whenever teachers or priests refused to answer something, or blatantly obfuscated to get out of admitting they didn’t really know, it certainly aroused my suspicion. I think any child or teen, if they are remotely curious, picks up on that in a second. They know BS when they hear it. I really think the Internet is only a problem for these communities because it arms the youth with the knowledge to counter the bull much more readily than they could on their own. It’s certainly not that the Internet is poisoning their minds or brainwashing them with its terrible liberal agenda or something like that. It’s just hard to break out of nonsensical groupthink, even if you know it’s nonsense, if you don’t know what’s real or feel totally alone. Thanks to the Internet, anyone with access needn’t feel alone, no matter how tight a stranglehold on facts and fiction their faith community tries to grip them with.

      • Sajanas

        I didn’t even have a religion class in a religious school, just the stuff they taught in Sunday school, and what we learned through conformation, and even that much smaller amount of info was riddled with unasked questions and lies by omission. Its kind of shocking, as a former Lutheran, to notice just how much Martin Luther hated the Jews, and how little its mentioned here. His anti-Jewish works weren’t even translated into English until the 1970s… but I think its something that my pastor could have addressed, and talked about where antisemitism comes from, why its wrong, and how to related to people of other religions. But instead they just ignore the hard lessons that show the bad side of the religion for the easy lessons.

        The internet makes it a lot harder to do this casual rewrite of history and make your religion’s founder into a good person, rather than the guy that opposed the tyranny of the church (Hurrah!) and helped start 500 years of German antisemitism (booo!). Its all right there in Martin Luther’s Wikipedia page, but I never heard word one of it in the 16 years I was in the church and even writing a middle school report on him. I can’t imagine how different and less glowing that report would have been had I written it today.

        • Noelle

          Meh, as another ex-Lutheran, not shocked. More like, huh, well why not? That old bipolar self-flagellating monk was German during a time when anti-semitism was hardly shocking. That he got his Mel Gibson on sometimes is hardly a stretch of the imagination. Of the few denominations I attended in my childhood, Lutheran was the least obnoxious. I even kinda liked memorizing the Apostle’s Creed and doing the acolyte thing in church, wearing the whole robed get-up. I used to sit up there on my little acolyte pew and daydream I was in an action film, ready to perform great heroics with flaming candle tricks to save the congregation from imagined menace of the week.

          • http://www.theelectoralcollegestudent.blogspot.com Teleprompter

            Yes! I’m another ex-Lutheran. Being an acolyte was fun. It’s cool that everybody’s counting on you not to burn the church down, haha. I did not learn anything about Luther’s anti-semitism until recently, since I’ve been at college.

            I left Christianity my first year of college, actually. I was learning about eastern religions for a course, and one day, I just started doubting everything I believed: how could these religions be wrong and my religion be correct? What if they’re all wrong?

            As soon as I started doubting, I turned to the Internet to explore other people’s opinions on religion and skepticism, and this led me to conclude that atheism was now closer to what I believed than Christianity. And the whole way through developing my beliefs as a non-theist, the Internet has been an invaluable resource for me. In fact, picking fights on this blog (as some people will tell you I used to do rather frequently) played a huge role in helping me form my current beliefs, by testing my arguments and opinions against those of other people.

            • Noelle

              I didn’t learn about the anti-semite bit until I read it on the Internet sometime in the last year. More proof of the Internet warping my young 30-something mind.

              Yes, handing a preteen a flame and trusting him or her to use it appropriately is some kinda trust. I also kept an eye on the ceiling fans, so I could warn people if one started to fall. Never could listen to a full sermon.

            • Sajanas

              Wow, so many ex-Lutherans. I got so bored in church my parent’s just let me read a book to keep me from squirming, but being the acolyte I didn’t have that option… I remember spending a lot of time spinning the big tassels on my robe, wishing I was a helicopter.

            • Noelle

              A helicopter would be some serious help against razor-sharp flying ceiling fans.

              Thing about being Lutheran is that it is so boring that there’s little to no drama in turning atheist. If there were an all ex-Lutheran atheist blog, it’d be a lot of: there is no God donchaknow? Really, eh? Really. Huh, well look at the time. Gotta get dinner on the table. See ya later.

              I much preferred the incredibly boring to the loud and crazy. Bet I don’t even have to put an ex in front of Lutheran. Not believing in God and only going to church for weddings and funerals? Hardly that off base.

      • http://bookingelf.com/ Bookingelf

        There is an experiment on Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA called the Asch Conformity experiment. It is just stunning to see how people are telling the answers they think that the group “expects” from them. It is a simple experiment, and nothing to loose for the participants, that is why it is amazing to see how the force of conformity will make them to lie and say what others said, just to be “like the others”. I really think that this kind of human behavior is very important when it comes to religion. If the group believes something, more likely the group members will follow the leading voices.

  • Kia001

    >The Internet has given atheists, agnostics, skeptics, the people who like to destroy everything that you and I believe, the almost equal access to your kids as your youth pastor and you have… whether you like it or not.

    Not true. You can’t sodomize someone over the Internet. That’s a pretty important difference.

  • ED

    What I think he is REALLY saying is, “how are we suppose to compete when we are not given the exclusive ability to indoctrinate your kids. Children are NOT suppose to be taught HOW to think; they must be taught WHAT to think.”

    • UrsaMinor

      This. So very much this.

    • Nelly

      yup

    • gringa

      Exactly – it reminds me of something that was written on the website for the Duggard family. It has since been taken down unfortunately, because it was a good laugh. Anyway, the father basically said that you should prohibit your children from reading anything but christian books. This was his advice for raising obedient children.

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  • Agentsmith

    Funny, I guess in a market place of ideas, rigid dogmatic beliefs that is handed down from generations to generations of insulated people just can’t compete. What do you expect if you take a child that is raised on potatoes to one of those international buffets in Vegas?

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  • Francesco

    wierd, whenever I want to laugh there are always those post on the frontpage :D

  • MahouSniper

    I fully support people arming themselves to answer the questions of their kids. The more information they need to gather and the more exposure people receive to actual facts, the more people will learn how to properly think. Matt Dillahunty is a good example of why it’s a good idea to try and learn more about your religion, even if the original goal is to strengthen your faith.

  • exfundy

    In my case he’s absolutely right. The internet was the major factor in my unbelief. Only the internet provided me with an alternative view to my protestant upbringing. Atheists don;t have schools and churches on every corner.

  • Cody

    Being skeptical is perfectly acceptable as a Christian, and it’s sad when people get caught up in a simplistic child’s faith, the way so many fundamentalists, and many preachers, do (mind you, I’m speaking as a Christian). What McDowell probably means to say is that the problem is children and impressionable teens being exposed to atheist sources on the internet before they are ready to comprehend and understand what’s being thrown at them. Many times, teens turn to Atheism as a way to rebel against their strict, religiously conservative parents, not because they are truthfully convinced there is no God.

    Religious debate and discovery is something that should occur among those educated on the subject or who have had enough world experience to gather and opinion. Young kids and teens haven’t had the time to understand what they are really getting their hands into and make decisions with consequences they don’t fully understand.

    I will admit, even I am not a fully educated Christian, I’m still in college and learning a great deal. However even with my minimal education I have convinced a few teenage “Atheists” to reconsider God simply because they didn’t really understand what they believed or what Christians etc. believe. Education is key, and trust me, the internet is a poor source for education.

    • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com/ Custador

      Atheism isn’t about being convinced there is no God. It’s about not being convinced that there is. Like we always say: You provide me independently testable, verifiable, third-party proof of God, and I’ll throw my hands in the air and shout hallelujah. Just don’t expect me to believe that I was created with capacities for critical thinking and reason by an omnipotent deity who then expects me not to use them.

    • SouthernRob

      they didn’t really understand what they believed

      That’s an odd state of mind. :)

    • Moewicus

      Cody wrote:
      “Religious debate and discovery is something that should occur among those educated on the subject or who have had enough world experience to gather and opinion.”

      I agree, Cody, people should only be exposed to religion when they are educated adults. Inculcating religiosity in children is short-circuiting their undeveloped critical faculties and leading them to choices with consequences they can’t possibly comprehend.

      • http://www.theelectoralcollegestudent.blogspot.com Teleprompter

        ^This. Absolutely agree.

      • Len

        Well said, Moewicus.

    • http://lydiafromtexas.wordpress.com/ LRA

      “What McDowell probably means to say is that the problem is children and impressionable teens being exposed to atheist sources on the internet before they are ready to comprehend and understand what’s being thrown at them.”

      Which is exactly why INDOCTRINATING them into your preferred religion is so egregious! Are you really giving them a chance to understand your particular brand of woo, or are you expecting to simply pump them full of crap and release them on the world?

      Jeez!

    • Sunny Day

      “Young kids and teens haven’t had the time to understand what they are really getting their hands into and make decisions with consequences they don’t fully understand. ”

      You realize this is an argument against raising children in a religious environment, right?

    • Sajanas

      With me, and a lot of my friends who became atheists, it was the complete, and utter opposite of the strawman you are describing. You seem to imagine that atheists are poorly educated in their religions, and that contradictory information confuses them, and leads them down a path they don’t want to go, because their parents will hate it. And you couldn’t be more wrong… most people I’ve met do become atheists in their teenage years, but that’s more because they’ve reached a level of independent thinking. They look thoroughly through the information their faith gives them, and see the intrinsic contradictions, the double speak, the ignorance that so many people have of their own faith, and the ignorance even the most learned members of their faith have towards the big questions, and they abandon it. Most atheists I’ve met have been far more knowledgeable about the religions they came from, and others too. Its just that we go quickly into the core of the beliefs, and find they’re isn’t much there.

      I mean, really, is it a credit to Christianity that you have to be carefully spoon fed the information so you don’t realize its all a show and leave? People get spoon fed science and history, and the like, but you don’t suddenly see people abandon genetics because they learned about DNA before they learned abut Punnet squares.

  • Andrea P.

    The internet is ridden with atheiests, agnostics, and skeptics, but so is the world. To me, the internet is an outlet to express my beliefs to those who are lost, confused, or down right disrespectful and hateful towards Christians (my personal favorite). Their presence in the world [wide web] doesn’t shake my faith, it makes me more secure in it. I’ve seen comments and reviews on the internet referring to the bible as a complilation of dark and scary fairy tales comparable to greek myths centered around a god who is merciless and ridiculous. That doesn’t make me skeptical, it makes me pity those who can’t find the beauty and grace, the point, of the bible, and of our existence. I see God’s love, I’m awestruck by His grace and I’m dumbfounded by Jesus’s sacrifice for us everytime I walk outside my door, and I am grateful to share these experiences and truths with my family and to strangers I come across on the internet. For those who are afraid that the internet is a tool for atheists and skeptics to invade and crush our children’s beliefs, I would ask you to turn it around and make it a tool to show your children the hopelessness and angst of those who are skeptical and the arrogance and hatefulness of those who are positive God does not exist.

    • SouthernRob

      Hey- who you calling hopeless? It’s funny, because I pity you in your belief much the way you pity my unbelief. I pity people who live a less-than-full life because they’re beholden to ancient tribalism. Mental freedom is the freedom that matters most to me, and I don’t think I could feel free forcing myself to believe in something despite evidence. I would look at Muslims or Jews and wonder if I’d be any different if I’d been born elsewhere or if I would continue to tow the religious line of my upbringing. I’d wonder what else I’d been taught that was bogus, and what else I’d been misled about. But I’d be unable to seek answers beyond pat replies from Josh McDowell without feeling the pang of guilt and the fear of hell.

      • SouthernRob

        Also, I think the difference between the internet and the world at large, is that on the internet, atheists can’t be discriminated against. So they’re more vocal here, and more organized. I would be very unpopular at work if my religious beliefs were known; so I keep quiet about it, and just walk on by or smile politely when conversations (very frequently) turn religious.

        People/teens are more likely to bump into atheists online.

        • Sajanas

          Yeah, having a long conversation with a co-worker or boss about why there isn’t a God is a good way to get fired, lose a friend, and alienate yourself. On the internet, it doesn’t matter if people think Sajanas is a jerk, only the facts and rhetoric matter.

    • Custador

      I’m not hopeless or angsty. Anybody else feeling hopeless or angsty? I think there’s some projection going on here, you know…

      • http://theascendancymemoirs.blogspot.com/ wazza

        well, I did a week back when I realised that basically every girl I’m dating was having a depressive episode. Not caused by me (I think) but I do seem to be a magnet for people on a particular part of the spectrum…

        but no, not the kind of angst always assumed by Christians to fill atheists. Just normal early-20s angst.

      • Len

        I’m planning to help my girlfriend paint her house tomorrow, and I’m hopeless at painting.

      • Noelle

        I get angsty when I can’t leave work at 5 pm.

    • Yoav

      I’ve seen comments and reviews on the internet referring to the bible as a compilation of dark and scary fairy tales comparable to greek myths centered around a god who is merciless and ridiculous. That doesn’t make me skeptical, it makes me pity those who can’t find the beauty and grace, the point, of the bible, and of our existence.

      Did you actually read the bloody thing?

      • Green Eggs and Ham

        Bloody being the operative word.

    • Bender

      I’m awestruck by His grace and I’m dumbfounded by Jesus’s sacrifice for us everytime I walk outside my door

      What sacrifice? According to the tale, he died and he remained dead for two days. So, what exactly did he sacrifice? A weekend?

      • Moewicus

        Well you see, he went through a lot of pain. And then got to sit next to God for eternity, being powerful and stuff.

        Odd. It doesn’t seem like much of a sacrifice at all. In fact it looks like he was trading up and got the best deal possible, infinity for a small finity.

        I wonder if there are any Christian sects that believe Jesus went to hell–and will stay there forever?

        • http://theascendancymemoirs.blogspot.com/ wazza

          I wonder if people will start worshipping John Egbert, who also died and rose again to save the world.

    • http://lydiafromtexas.wordpress.com/ LRA

      “For those who are afraid that the internet is a tool for atheists and skeptics to invade and crush our children’s beliefs, I would ask you to turn it around and make it a tool to show your children the hopelessness and angst of those who are skeptical and the arrogance and hatefulness of those who are positive God does not exist.”

      You know what? F*ck you. What an awful, arrogant, ignorant, patronizing thing to say. You don’t know what you are talking about.

      (1) Your children’s beliefs???? Are children really mature enough to have beliefs? No. What you mean there is your children’s *indoctrination*

      (2) Being an atheist/ skeptic does not involve hopelessness or angst necessarily. Why don’t you take a few minutes to educate yourself, m’kay?

      http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/life-meaning/

      (3) Being an atheist means “without God”… and again that does not necessitate certainty. You want to talk about arrogance and hatefulness… have you seen what Christians are doing to our SECULAR country? They are hateful and arrogant to people with differing viewpoints…namely, gay people, pro-choice people, liberal people, people of other faiths, even people who just support the Constitution for what it really says. In other words, the average Christian is much more of a bigot than the average atheist.

      So, you can apologize now for you stupid, bigoted comment.

    • Jake N

      The hypocrisy of Christians calling atheists arrogant is always funny to me. You believe that you were created in a supreme being’s image, and that the entire universe was created for your benefit. You believe God sacrificed his only son specifically for you. You believe you have special, absolute knowledge about the nature of existence and morality. Yet we atheists, who recognize that we are tiny, insignificant organisms with woefully incomplete knowledge living on a tiny speck of a planet in an unremarkable solar system around a commonplace star in an average galaxy among countless galaxies in a vast, uncaring universe, we are the arrogant ones.

      • http://www.theelectoralcollegestudent.blogspot.com Teleprompter

        I agree with you that is extremely hypocritical for Christians to label atheists as arrogant just as a function of our beliefs. Christianity crowns the capacity for human thought as the supreme force in the Universe, and calls it God. God is essentially a collection of our thoughts – human beings have enough arrogance to suppose that our very thoughts control the Universe. Yet atheism is arrogant when it denies this claim.

        How could the Universe be so grand, and not have a god or a designer? Here’s a better question: how could the Universe be so grand, and be anything like us, anything like humanity? I find it difficult to accept a God whose image I was made in, when it’s more likely the God was made in my image.

    • Sunny Day

      Greaaaaat, you just wuv’s some jeebus, and atheists must be sad and mean because you say so. You used alot of words to say something so petty and content-less.

    • Sajanas

      Every Sunday morning that I sleep in, I am so very happy that I don’t have to spend it reciting the same stupid meaningless hymns and creeds over and over again, and be lectured about how I and everyone else are so terrible that God needed to murder someone to make it better (because that’s… that’s how it works? I guess?). I’ll tell you, even at 16, I was sick to death of people that assumed going to church every week made them a good person, and believing that God is good, no matter how many people and animals have died in the universe he made, or how many people are murdered and abused because of their religion. So many of the things that are confusing about a universe made by an all powerful God are just gone, when you realize he’s not there. It’s a much more easy going life, and it’d be just perfect if it weren’t for the fact that religious people are constantly trying to use legislation rather than reasoned arguments and evidence to put their view point on everyone else.

      In short, read Greta Christina’s Why Atheists are Angry. We’re only angry because of people like you.

    • Thin-ice

      Andrea: So what? Substitute the words like “Jesus”, “God”, “Bible” that you use in your little sermon, with words like “Muhammed”, “Krishna”, “Allah”, “Koran”, “Book of Mormon”, etc, and you’ll get the sentiments of people who hold to other religions. And there is no real-world, empirical evidence that any of them are any more true than another. I myself spoke just like you did, for 46 years.

      There is peace, harmony, satisfaction, and highly moral living to be had for people who don’t believe in a deity. Your children should have equal access to all worldviews and then be taught to seek to live by that which is most rational and reasonable, not propagandized into your beliefs. Let them choose. Do you not trust their intellect and reasoning powers? Hey, they may end up choosing yours after all, but at least give them an unbiased access to other points of view, including secular humanism.

  • Flyz4free

    This reminds me of a trip I took to Salt Lake to listen to our CEO (of Delta Air Lines) giving a state of the airline address back about 1994 or so….He said “The internet has rendered our pricing structure transparent.” In other words the unwashed rabble that is coach class could see how the airlines was screwing them in ticket prices and fees. I nearly laughed out loud ….just as listening to Josh whine about the internet creating a level knowledge field amuses me as well.

  • brian rossi

    Interesting how upset the hateful get about being called hateful and full of angst. How sad to ponder so much and still know nothing.

    • http://lydiafromtexas.wordpress.com/ LRA

      Whatever. My aggravation is righteous indignation. People don’t get to make bigoted statements and not get called on it. This is the internet, not an ice cream social.

      • http://www.soulsprawl.com Matt DeStefano

        God damn’t, I knew I had the wrong place.

      • http://theascendancymemoirs.blogspot.com/ wazza

        does that mean we don’t get ice cream?

        • Francesco

          you may get a cake

          • http://theskippyreview.wordpress.com Skippy

            If you don’t get cake, try the death. I hear it’s fairly tasty.

    • Moewicus

      Isn’t it interesting how when one condescendingly insults someone, the insulted party is angry about it, and then the party doing the insulting gets to be vindicated by the results?

      Such astounding condescension.

    • http://www.theelectoralcollegestudent.blogspot.com Teleprompter

      Let me translate that what you just said:

      [condescension][insult][lie][lie][insult][lie]

      Where’s the Christian love? Oh yeah, I forgot…love doesn’t apply to people you don’t like, which is Jesus spit on tax collectors instead of helping them and told a story warning us about Samaritan idiots…oh wait, you mean Jesus told us to love everybody, even the people who are despised and the people who disagree with us?

      Maybe you can reconsider your statements after it turns out that an atheist is doing a better job of being a Christian than you are.

    • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com/ Custador

      Is it also interesting how much I’m giggling at the irony of being called hateful by you?

      Hello Kettle… Hello Kettle… (krrrrsssssshhhhh)… This is Pot. You are black. Message repeats: You are black. Over. (krrrrrrssssshhhhhhh).

  • http://yamipirogoeth.blogspot.com/ Sakura Yumura

    The internet is synonymous with the FSM, each computer is connected to the internet through all those wires…which look like the FSM’s noodley appendages!!

    • http://bookingelf.com/ Bookingelf

      That must be the absolute proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, and that he created the internet in his own image and it was so. Than with his all mighty power hide all the cables behind cable protectors, so only the few choosen ones might see his all power full creation!
      LOL this is the explanation I like most, for the existence of the internet!!!

      • UrsaMinor

        So, Al Gore is an avatar of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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  • Enlightenment

    The internet KILLED your FAVORITE religion!

  • Enlightenment

    Even Jesus hates Christians

  • Enlightenment

    Religion == Ignorance

    • http://theskippyreview.wordpress.com Skippy

      You know, you could have put those witticisms in one post.

      • UrsaMinor

        Twitter has us all trained to be brief before hitting ‘send’.

        • http://theskippyreview.wordpress.com Skippy

          Don’t get me started on the plague that is Twitter. Every idiot who has a sporadic firing of a synapse decides to go on Twitter and tell the world–in 150 characters. Lovely, that.

  • http://kendrickbrix.com K.J. Brix

    He pretty much says everything I could say. The abundance of information has led to skepticism. Can I get a Hallelujah?

  • Donald Eric Kesler

    “I don’t want knowledge. I want certainty!”
    –David Bowie, from Law (Earthlings on Fire)

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  • Anocide

    (not at the blog, but at some of the smug commentary) – Skepticism? It leads to secular groupthink. Nice try at patting yourselves on the back. “Don’t be a dick” and “atheist misogyny” are the new cults – complete with scapegoats, rituals and human sacrifices.

    • Jabster

      Not a bad troll attempt but not spectacular … I’ll give you a B-

      • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com/ Custador

        I have to downgrade that to a D- because he/she managed to link to a thread on SkepChick in which I’ve previously commented heavily on the anti-misogyny side…

        • Olaf

          yeah, SkepChick, talk about a double standard.
          Saying she is an atheist and sceptic and the she throws it all away when she promotes something that is the equivalent of a religion that includes the equivalence of “sin” but calls it “creepy” and loses any sceptical thinking. And it comes with the set of apologists like Phil Plait, PZ Meyers, in trying to defend her believe.

          She seems not to be able to snap out of it.

          • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com/ Custador

            Oh ye Gods…. Olaf, go over to the forum side and find the thread on this one. I can’t be bothered to have the argument again over here. I would also suggest that you actually watch the video that kicked off all the fuss before you come and and say things like you just said…


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