The West Wing on Homosexuality

I love this scene. It’s so… satisfying.

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  • Matt P

    I think we’d all agree the world would be a better place if Josiah Bartlett were president. Of course, he’s unelectable. I remember hearing something about his son…

  • Custador

    Did I not post the video of this on the site at some point? It’s here, if anybody wants to watch it.

  • Schaden Freud

    Concentrated awesomesauce!

  • FO

    That’s brilliantly blunt.

    What’s the standard Christian rationalization?

    Isn’t the condemnation of homosexuality just a few verses after the condemnation of tattoos?
    If so, why are tattoos legal?

    • Reginald Selkirk

      Homosexuality: Leviticus 18:22.
      tattoos: Leviticus 19:28.
      Idiots: everywhere.

      • Yoav

        If I get a tattoo of Lev 19:28 will it cause the universe to collapse on itself?

        • Jer

          Probably not. A google image search turns up way too many examples.

    • RJ

      The standard Christian rationalization is that that is all Old Testament law, which they insist Jesus abolished with his death/resurrection combo (even though Jesus said very clearly that was not what he was there to do—but never mind). So why do they keep the homosexuality part then? Because they fear homosexuals (and sex in general, I suppose), and since they themselves are not homosexual and thus not affected by that part of the law, it’s okay to keep that part. How do they rationalize that? They don’t—but never mind.

      • Sarah

        Also because of Romans 1:18-27, which is in the New Testament, but if you ask me is in conflict with itself because on the one hand it says you can know God by what he created in nature (bonobos, for instance), but that homosexual behavior is against nature.

        • Thin-ice

          Sarah, then those non-hominid creatures that practice homosexuality need to read their bible and repent, I guess (google it, you’ll find LOTS of animals sinning this way!)

      • trj

        Of course, the same Christians that claim the OT laws no longer apply constantly want to apply the Ten Commandments from the OT.

  • Sehro

    Last I checked, Martin Sheen (the man who portrays the excellent Josiah Bartlett) was born in the United States, and is still a citizen. He seems perfectly electable, at least to that point.

    • Elemenope

      You mean the guy who was born named Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez? It was hard enough electing a black president. The US still has a bit to go, I think, on that score.

      • FO

        Now find the birth certificate for THAT guy…

    • Matt P

      The reason I said he’s unelectable is because of his batshit crazy son, Charlie. Family still has an impact on politicians.

    • Twin-Skies

      Martin Sheen also voice-acted the Illusive Man in Mass Effect 2, who to this day I still think is Josiah Bartlett’s evil twin in the far future. :)

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  • http://timparkinson.net Tim

    The guys from the Australian comedy/news show The Chaser actually went and did this in Texas:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95hH1H5qK08

  • Bertrand T Russell

    Christianity, it’s like the Shite you can’t get off your shoe, once you step in it!!

  • Patrick

    This was already old when it was on West Wing.

  • Tucker

    Isn’t Martin Sheen a pro-life, devout Catholic? While Bartlett would make a wonderful liberal president in a fantasy world, I would never want Martin Sheen in the real White House.

  • Alexis

    A resetting of the previous e-mail meme the Dr. Laura letter:
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp
    Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.

    1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your adoring fan.

  • Vander Goten Pascal

    “stoning someone for planting crops side by side” : please note that while deuteronomy forbids it, it doesn’t mention the death penalty in this case, and according to the Talmud the 39 whip blows are actually appliable instead.

  • 6uldvnt

    Actually, my favorite line from all that? “…in this building when the President stands, nobody sits.”


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