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I have no problems with Tebow’s showing of his faith now. It is not as if he preaches – he goes down on one knee, stays for a second or two, then gets up and goes about his business. The only problem I have with Tebow was during his NCAA days when he noted bible passages in his eye black. The problem was really with the NCAA – while their golden boy was playing they allowed his declaration of his holy book passages, but as soon as he was gone they prevented any other player from making the declaration of their choice. As many folks questioned last year – would the NCAA have allowed another player to put “No god” or “allahu akbar” in their eye black? Probably not.
Tebow did piss me off last year when he made that Superbowl commercial with that bigoted christianist organization. Again – no problem with his stating his beliefs (as bizarre as they are), but he associated himself with a hate group.
Except that he isn’t going down on one knee in his private personal time to pray to Jesus. In fact, what he’s doing is going down on one knee WHILE HE’S AT WOK AND REPRESENTING HIS EMPLOYER ON NATIONAL TV.
I don’t understand this ridiculous line of reasoning that Christians (and some secular liberals) keep using. If this line of reasoning were a valid argument, then you should have no problem with a local newscaster going down on one knee and thanking Jesus after he/she successfully reads the news. Or for the clerk at the grocery store going down on one knee and thanking Jesus after successfully bagging your groceries.
This is ridiculous of course. The reason it would be ridiculous is because those people are getting paid to DO A JOB. They are not getting paid to express their personal views.
Tim Tebow gets paid an unimaginable amount of money, truly a fortune by any standard, to PLAY FOOTBALL. He doesn’t get paid to pray to Jesus, and he doesn’t get paid to proselytize on national television. Even what he does in his off time is not entirely his business, because he has signed a legal contract with the NFL which requires him to not engage in controversial activities which would embarrass the league or distract from his job…and that job, again, is to PLAY FOOTBALL! Not preach. Not talk about how awesome Jesus and god are (which he apparently doesn’t understand are the same person). His job is simply to PLAY AND WIN FOOTBALL GAMES.
I’m getting really tired of people trying to say he can do what he wants. Regardless of what you think he really can’t do what he wants, and what he is doing is inappropriate. Period.
Yes, but it would also be crazy for a grocery clerk or new-caster to do a “secular” dance (touchdown dance). So… I think you’re not comparing apples to apples here.
Actually, it *is* apples to apples. If you’ve never seen someone do “a touchdown dance”, you haven’t been paying attention to anyone that’s come out of a meeting with a boss to find out they’re off probation, survived budget cuts, gotten a raise, had their vacation request approved, etc.
A “touchdown dance” isn’t a tacit endorsement of any particular political or religious ideology. A public prayer is.
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again.
Hey! What’s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like … ow … ound … round … ground! That’s it! That’s a good name – ground!
I wonder if it will be friends with me?
Beautifully put. I live in Denver, but hate sports, and I’m still tempted to go to a game with a gigantic sign with “Matthew 6:5″ on it, like all the “John 3:16″s, just to see if I can get on national television…
Or, how about Matthew 10:36? That should do it!
He’s not standing, he’s kneeling! You don’t understand sophisticated theology.
Jesus had his fingers crossed when he said that.
I noticed in the recent win over the Vikings he would point up after scoring. That is ok with me, its a free country and he has the right to demonstrate his faith.
The only thing that bothers me is the confusion between ability given by DNA and attributing that same ability to the supernatural. No matter what his faith is or his lack of faith his DNA has dictated his ability.
Well, to be fair to the guy, DNA plus a load of training and practise. I mean, let’s not take that away from him.
In fact… When you think of it in those terms, it’s actually kind of sad! He’s essentially saying:
“Thank you God! Thank you for being the reason I scored that touchdown! All those months and years of blood, sweat and tears, training to be good at what I do? Nothing to do with being good at what I do! Nope. Might as well have not bothered! It’s all down to you, God! You made me score that touchdown, and nothing else! Look how servile I am, everybody! Mmmmm, God’s ring-piece! Tastes like candy!”
Not that I’m that knowledgeable about these sort of things but isn’t it god gave you the strength and conviction to reach this level of attainment. Then again why not just click your fingers and have done with it?
It always encourages me when someone has the courage to express their faith in Christ in a situation when they know it will cost them popularity.
How exactly is Tebow risking his popularity be publicly pointing out that he’s a Christian in an environment which is 85% Christian? With the caveat that most of those choose to ignore the parts of the Bible where Jesus condemns public prayer and displays of piety, of course.
Just to be clear, THIS part:
“And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men….when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret….”
There doesn’t seem to be a lot in there that’s up for interpretation or debate, I’ll be honest!
Thanks Custador for that information but I guess that one was just driving by and was not interested in discussing it at all.
Interesting perspective, I believe Jesus was referring to those wanting to be seen and acknowledged, including those who might brag about fasting simply in order to draw attention and gain recognition selfishly. Tebow is at great risk to appear as or become a hypocrite when expressing his love for God and offering him praise in public. I would surmise he is aware of the verse referenced and prepared to humbly discuss the subject. Perhaps a writer will question him about the verse during an interview or post game news conference. I can’t think of a non theologian with such notoriety and visibility who has demonstrated the inclination and willingness to subject himself to the kind of scrutiny he is bound to endure.
That’s the standard apologist way to justify the hypocrisy, certainly.
Just to expand on that slightly: Read the passage through. Is there anything in that passage that would lead an impartial person to conclude that it’s situational or open to interpretation? I don’t think there is.
Let’s mess with it slightly:
A father says to his son “Son, if you want to masturbate, it’s perfectly okay, but you need to do it in private, in your own room.”
The next day, the boy lays out in the front yard of his suburban home and masturbates in full view of the whole neighbourhood. When asked why, the boy says “Oh, but I thought that only meant if I was doing it there specifically so that people would watch me! I don’t want them to watch me!”
So, is the boy’s reasoning sound? No? It’s the exact same thing that Christian apologetics are saying about that passage which they claim to be the words of Jesus himself.
Have to differ, Christ’s instructions are intended to draw attention to those who pray for “show” standing on the street corner for self glorification. He in fact mocks them. When teaching his disciple’s the Lord’s Prayer he uses our, us and we hardly terms used singularly in private but rather as a congregation. I hardly expect God to take exception, if after a near miss in a crosswalk, a person of faith spontaneously expresses a tearful prayerful thank you towards Him.
“… if after a near miss in a crosswalk, a person of faith spontaneously expresses a tearful prayerful thank you towards Him.”
I must have missed the but where he nearly dies … can you point it out to me?
Mock humility and outward shows of faith are still approval seeking. Most people I know who watch sports do it to witness athletes at their physical, mental and emotional best. Champions competing against champions to see who is the toughest and smartest with the most heart. Tebow and his antics inspire those who already believe as he does, but don’t do much for the rest of us one way or the other.
Most people I know who watch sports do it to witness athletes at their physical, mental and emotional best. Champions competing against champions to see who is the toughest and smartest with the most heart.
I agree. And it kinda seems like cheating when you say that your god helped you.
There should be sports events where all gods are explicitly prohibited from joining in and helping any of their followers who compete. Let’s see who is really good then.
Cheating would be rampant. Sadly, unlike anabolic steroids, there is no test for detecting a deity.
Why of course … God cannot be tested
Why aren’t the Broncos being flagged for 12 men on the field?
That is funny!
It will be interesting to see who or what he blames when he has a big fumble on the field or a crash-and-burn in his personal life.
@Jim Jebow isn’t Jesus gods son?
Now we know why children are being raped and tourtured sold as slaves,this god is watching so much sport and listening to their prayers he does not ev en realise that men,women and children are praying but he cannot hear.
God stop watching sport answer your emails.
Thank you for this, made my day :)
so glad Jess. I thought of tweeting this to one of the sports personalities site.
Just a little reminder of who Timmy Tebow thinks deserves his public support.
Can we get a mission on to downvote this video, do you think?
We’ll need our own verb for this action. “To Slashdot” and “to pharyngulate” are already taken. How about “to yoof”?
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