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Only useful if one actually cares what Jesus said about anything.
Exactly. Jesus was a Jew and he followed the levitical law. Im sure he was aligned with the majority against it. Just because Jesus didn’t talk about something doesn’t mean jack. Why do we care anyway?
But many loud, vocal, xtian jerks DO care what Jesus said. I like this sign; it says a lot.
Yes. I like it, too (despite my snarky attitude towards Jesus).
and yet its a lie. lie’s do say alot. Jesus said, ” for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with a WOMAN and the two shall never separate” if you dont believe in him or know what he said, why LIE about it?
If that passage condemns homosexuality, it also condemns bachelorhood with equal force. No man may remain single without commiting a sin. And it doesn’t say anything at all about female homosexuality.
Yes sir it does. “Romans 1:26-27 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
No, ma’am, it does not. That’s an entirely difference passage than the one that Larry brought up for discussion, and I was speaking to it, not the passages you just quoted. Taken within the original context of the discussion, my point stands. Larry needs to learn to make a better case and quote Bible passages that are more relevant.
Thank you for continuing to make sense! People on both sides have a tendency to just take a small passage out of context and not understand (or just ignore) the real meaning. (By the way, I’m a Christian who doesn’t believe homosexuality is a sin. And I won’t judge you if you won’t judge me. As a matter of fact, I won’t judge you even if you do judge me.) ( :
That’s an odd argument to make. Jesus is not making a moral argument against homosexuality, he’s making a scriptural argument against divorce. He’s explicitly quoting Genesis.
The problem for him, and for you, is that Genesis isn’t making a moral argument either. Genesis is just making a etiological observation: men seek out women because the first woman was made from part of the first man. It’s akin to saying that snakes crawl because God cursed the first snake.
Jesus was within the accepted rules of scriptural interpretation for his time; it was perfectly OK to use passages out of context and ignore their original meaning. But the rules have changed, and we’d scoff at someone doing that today. Either way, you’ve got the wrong end of the stick.
Dittos above. How do we even know what “Jesus” said about anything? His “sayings”were cobbled together decades after his “death”.
I know! It’s also symbolic of a believers IQ.
Assuming Jesus even existed, the fact that he directly says nothing about gays is irrelevant, as the Bible is clear on the subject of homosexuality in other passages. Why do some Christians try so hard to extract Jesus out of his context?
Where is the Bible clear on the subject of homosexuality?
The bible is clear on homosexuality. However it’s in the old testament. To many Christian groups the new testament and Christ’s teachings were supposed to supercede the many laws that God gave to the Israelites to follow. So if Jesus didn’t outright condemn gays then it could be said that Jesus’ new law of: “You must love one another”, replaces the Leviticus instructions given to the nomadic Hebrews.
WRONG. The Bible is clear in the New Testament about gays (homosexuality). Romans and Correnthians. ALSO JESUS did say “and for this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with a women and the two shall never separate” why do you lie
Nowadays, it is going on conversations about homosexuality; some are against it and some on behalf of it. The right answer we can find from the word of God (the Bible).
The Lord Jesus is the Messiah, Redeemer from sins and the Saviour. Jesus’ must fulfill the whole law of God and believe all what the Old Testament teaches, that He could be the Saviour. In the Old Testament were commandments, which teach that homosexuality is a sin. Because the Lord Jesus had to believe all commandments of the Old Testament, so He also believed that homosexuality is a sin. The Bible teaches that homosexuality was a sin in the order of the Old Covenant and is valid in the order of the New Covenant. Like this way Jesus also believed that homosexuality is a sin, and He also condemned homosexuality by this way.
For the sake of sodomites’ abomination acts, God destroyed Sodom as Ezekiel 16:49,50 shows for us. Ezekiel uses 16:50 Hebrew word towebah, which is the same Hebrew word in Lev 18:22 (and Lev 20:13) that describes homosexuality as abomination. It is very clear that in Ezekiel 16:50, abomination means homosexuality acts as the reason for destroying of Sodom. Sodomites pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness and hardened hearts towards poor and needy were sins, but destruction came for the sake of homosexuality, and the New Testament confirms this:
Jude1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Apostle Paul wrote very clearly that homosexuality (men having sex with other men; women having sex with other women) is a sin. Ro 1:27 is word error, which is in Greek plane, which means error, to deceive, deceit, one led astray from the right way, error which shows itself in action, a wrong mode of acting. In this place, the Bible in the New Testament shows very clearly that same-gender sex is a sin and aberration from the right way. Apostle Paul taught very clearly that homosexuality is unnatural sin.
Many scientists believe that homosexuality is congenital, a matter and orientation that can’t be changed as heterosexual. Paradoxical is that many scientists don’t believe in God of the Bible, and they proclaim that God of the Bible is not existed. Nevertheless, God of the Bible is capable of change homosexuals individuals to be as heterosexuals.
Arsenos means male and koiten means bed. Lev 18:22 and 20:13 teach that a man cannot lie (sexual act) with another man as he lies with a woman. The origin of the word arsenokoites means homosexual activity and homosexual. Lev 18:22 and 20:13 prove very clearly that arsenos koitenmeans homosexuality sex, because the Jews scribes translated words’ arsenos koiten to describe men who have sex with another men (homosexuality), which is a sin and against the will of God. Apostle Paul didn’t make up the word arsenokoites, but it was already as the concept in the Old Testament, where it meant homosexuality.
It is very clear that the words’ arsenos koiten meant homosexuality (man who had sex with another man) to Jews of the Old Covenant era. In the same way arsenokoites meant homosexuality (man who had sex with another man) to Jesus’ disciples in the New Covenant era.
Jewish philosopher Philo lived in the same time as Jesus Christ and Philo has said that arsenokoites meant shrine prostitute (male temple prostitute), and not homosexual. Some people have made from this a conclusion that the word arsenokoites meant a male temple prostitute. Philo’s interpretation was totally wrong, because the Bible proves this undisputedly and shows that Philo erred.
Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 doesn’t use temple prostitute word, but words in which is denied that a man can’t lie sexually with another man. Always when the Bible speaks for temple prostitutes, so the Bible uses words gedeshah and gadesh. If Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 told for temple prostitutes, so verses would mention them, but there isn’t, because in those verses, the Bible forbids homosexuality. It is very clear and undisputable in the light of the testimony of the Bible, that arsenokoites means homosexuality.
According to words of the Lord Jesus, Jesus’ disciples can judge righteous judgement. If somebody is stealing, living in adultery or is lying, so we have the right to say sin as a sin. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin and so Jesus’ disciples have the right to say what the Bible teaches. Jesus’ disciple has a right to say that living in sins lead people to eternal damnation. Jesus’ disciple doesn’t judge to damnation, but tells that God shall judge sin maker to hell.
God loves also gay-people, but not sinful act of homosexuality, and therefore, God calls gay-people repentance and receives salvation by believing in the Lord Jesus. In other words, God loves sinners, but not sins. The gospel and its changing power is meant also for gay-people, because the Lord Jesus can set you free you from your sins.
I don’t condemn homosexuals, but love them by the love of God. The love of God also holds on from the truth, and therefore, I must say that homosexuality is a sin, it is not condemning, but telling the truth. God has authority to judge, not a man. God judges in His word homosexuality as a sin. I can tell about judgements that what God does, and I don’t condemn, but tell who judge.
I don’t support discrimination of homosexuals, because they are valuable as my neighbors. However, homosexuality is a sin. It is possible to integrate from homosexuality and get rid of it. The Lord Jesus can save and give freedom to you. I recommend for you to read the Bible, because there God teaches for natural sexuality and salvation by believing in the Lord Jesus.
Is anybody else fed up of this crap now? Can I just delete it and save us all the trouble of having to ignore this wordy slab of BuyBull shit? No, I guess not :-/
Telson, read this carefully, as many times as you need in order to absorb it fully:
We do not give a fuck what the Bible says. We do not give a fuck how you have chosen to interpret it. It is mythology. It is not true. If I wanted to base my life on a work of fiction, it would not be the Bible. It would be The Big Lebowsky. Kindly fuck off and keep you irrelevant judgmental bullshit about other people to your ignorant self.
You can try to delete the page but you can never delete the TRUTH…
Your imaginary friend is not “the truth” anywhere but in your own fantasies. Go away.
way to go ALSO, I tell them, OK you were born that way right? well all are born with sin. rom 3.23 I was born a liar, murderer, and thief, because I have been tempted to do so, but dont because it is wrong.
You were born a liar, a murderer, and a thief, even though at the time of your birth you had never done anything of these things, never contemplated doing them, and had no understanding of what they were?
You are in other words guilty of sins you never commited, intended to commit, or had the possibility of commiting? That’s a pretty fucked-up game your god is running. Not what I consider justice by a long shot.
You’re tempted to commit crimes like murder? That’s not normal.
What kind of ignorant monster would consider a newborn baby a liar, a murderer, and a thief? It sounds like something a bronze age tribal chief, trying to rule through fear and intimidation, would make up.
God is the only judge and yes he loves the sinner, but hates the sin.. We need to know that Jesus did pay the price for our sin but we have to obey his word. Believe it or not we will face God for every deed every action and every thing we say.. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that he is Lord..
Hi Sol, kindly fuck off.
The Lord loves everyone we need to pray for each other.. That no one is left without learning the Gospel the truth to all who believe.. Jesus give us the strength to walk like you and to be mercyfull like you and to love others like you loved us…TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOREVER AND EVER AMEN….
The rules of the blog are pretty clear. No evangelizing. Please do not continue. If you would really rather evangelize, go do it in a place where people are willing to tolerate it.
p.s. It is stunts like this (the Internet equivalent of jumping up and down and shouting “LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME JEEEEESUS!”) that make people who would otherwise be receptive to your messages be turned off by the inconsiderate selfishness it represents. If you want to be an effective evangelist, this is not the way to do it, as it taints your message with really unpleasant associations.
“AMEN” to that! lol
They claim they dont care (so please, SAVE your responses, i just said it for you and you don’t care, remember?) but just for my own amusement I wish those attention obsessed “praise him jesus is lord and the light and he will lift me up from my sins with his love and we will fly into heaven on a rainbow filled with candy riding on unicorns with the fairies and happy little leprechauns” people could just step back just for one minute out of their self created cloudy little bubble and see what they really look/sound like!
Ignorance = bliss, but enlightenment = insight~
I am with you Sol Maria.
I’m sorry, but just a quick question: Does this mean that you think that everyone who gets a divorce is going to hell? Because that “never separate” bit sure sounds like it.
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