Blogging in the Underworld

The hounds at The Wild Hunt have sniffed out a strange relic from back in 2006. Apparently, Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort “infiltrated” a Druid ritual put on by the Raven’s Cry Grove in Southern California.

Comfort and Cameron made a secret recording of the ritual. (which is at least unethical and likely illegal, but whatev.) They played clips of it on their adventure on the “Way of the Master” podcast, but that particular episode seems to have disappeared. Fortunately, the “satanic panic” quasi-parody site Objective Ministries saved a copy of that segment, and it’s available on their website.

“If listening to Pagan religions try to contact their deities gives you the creeps … um, Sean Hannity is on, you might want to tune in to him.”

I’m sorry, but what’s the difference? Are you telling me that Hannity isn’t offering up incense to the genius of Ronald Reagan?

Most of the problems that Cameron seems to have with the group come down to the fact that this isn’t Protestant Christianity. Words like “orthodoxy” don’t have much meaning without a power structure to enforce them. I think he’s a bit confused by the fluidity and diversity of the movement. Since his ministry is dedicated to reducing Christianity into a series of non-negotiable bullet-points, his reaction doesn’t surprise me.

At least Cameron does seem to have paid attention. Or at least, read their website. Which is what makes the whole thing so baffling.

Do you think that Druids are really a strange and secretive lot? Read their blogs.

Do you think your Johnny is dabbling in dark magic? Check his Facebook page.

Think it may be Satanism? Well, is it Theistic Satanism or Non-theistic Satanism? Perhaps you’d better read some of their faqs.

Honestly, if there was an evil occult conspiracy, it would have a blog circle, a webforum and half a dozen junior members policing its Wikipedia page.

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  • vasaroti

    I looked at the Wild Hunt page, and I have to say the Raven’s Grove Druids look like nice folks. Not a blocked chakra in the bunch.

    “Kirk’s excellent acting talents allowed him to dodge a potentially dangerous situation, but you may not be so lucky. My many years of experience have taught me that Druids can be very dangerous if confronted. If you suspect Druidic activities in your neighborhood, contact your Church and have them send a team of trained Occult investigators to assess the situation and, if Druids are discovered, suggest a course of remediation — which can be as simple as cutting down the trees the Druids worship, or may involve more intense forms of Spiritual Warfare such as exorcism or prayer-circling a coven meeting.”

    Looks like these a$$holes are advocating property damage and potentially assault.

    • Sunny Day

      I love how Cameron thinks his silly beliefs are any different from the silly beliefs of Satanism or Paganism.

      Good point about the advocation of property damage.

    • JK

      So much to christians being persecuted…

  • CBreeze

    I love how Christian bigots (like Cameron) will automatically take Paganism and turn it into Satanism, when the two are NOTHING alike. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Christianity is based on Pagan Rituals and Customs, but when you have such a blind hatred to those who aren’t like you- I guess it’s easy to forget.

    As far as Kirk, and his idiotic rantings of Druids being dangerous. I’m pretty sure if you snuck up on a bunch of God-loving Rednecks, and were filming them without their knowledge…they’d be pretty dangerous once they found out about it too. Hell, I’ve seen Top Gear’s USA Special, where they drove cars in the “deep south” with silly slogans painted on them and almost got the living crap beat out of them. And on another slightly bias note, Christians have killed more people in the name of their God than any other religion, but you don’t see us pagans running around screaming “Do not enter a church on your own, Christians are a dangerous bunch of wackos!” We love them even if they are dangerous wackos :P

  • drax

    Some of this was actually pretty ironic. He was asking the Druids the same questions we might ask him. “How do you know that what you personally believe is right?” The commentary was also pretty funny. It seemed to boil down to – Can you believe what those crazy druids think?

    Also, later on (yes I listened to the whole thing) the commentator seemed to be giving Steven Baldwin grief for the wording of his “testimony”. It’s no wonder that christians can’t stop fighting with eachother.

  • Thin-ice

    Wow! Checking out was an eye-opener. You guys call it a “quasi-parody” site. But it’s either it’s a parody or it’s the real thing: never heard of a “quasi-parody”.

    What’s amazing is that it is impossible to tell if it’s a parody or not. When the reality is so extreme that a parody is indistinguishable, then how in the world can we ever again make fun of these people??

    • UrsaMinor

      That’s simple. To paraphrase Fred Small, “Some people, you don’t have to parody. You just quote ‘em.”

  • JK

    Imagine the outcry when the druids would send their own teams burning down churches…

    • JK

      That comment last comment was meant to be an answer to

      vasaroti says:
      March 12, 2012 at 7:33 am

      and it should end
      … own teams to burn down churches…

  • Mahousniper

    Pagans and druids confuse me more than the larger, mainstream religion. Mostly because they seem to believe in much more direct magic and power. I know very little about this stuff, because it’s all stupid and my time is valuable, but whenever I hear about spells and magic and such, I wonder why people still believe after they try to cast something and nothing happens. Or are their spells all the vague, “you will have bad luck” kind of bullshit?