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I’ve never understood the desire to tattoo oneself, but that goes especially for religious tattoos.
Maybe I’m not up on all this newfangled Facebook malarkey, but who has Facebook friends who talk to each other like that? I smell a rat.
Posts to a group, maybe.
Ah, groups. Told ya, not up on these latest newfangled terms.
Is the person using all the colorful language meant to be a Christian?
Well, there’s a big honking cross tattooed into an arm.
I saw that. I just didn’t know if that was the same person who was speaking/writing in such a Christian fashion. I was a Christian and I have lots of friends still on my friend list who still are Christians. It never ceases to amaze me what some of them post and the language they use and the manner in which they “speak” to one another. Very Christian indeed.
Anyway, the language and attitude struck me as just as contradictory as the ink. Christians! Ever failing to follow their own book.
Does the Bible actually mandates against foul language?
Yes it does. Ephesians 5:4 is the clearest bible verse against foul language. When I was a Christian, this was the worst verse I ever came upon while reading the Bible. XD Sadly, the genocide and murder stuff didn’t sink in until I became an atheist.
Interesting point. I have an acquainance who is a fundamentalist Catholic (as in attending Opus Dei Men’s Retreats and defenidng the church’s actions of altar boy abuse)…yet he can be as ribald and sexually expicit as any craven irreligious person :)
I think it’s same to assume the person who put the colorful sperms across the names chose to use a color as an identified of each person. Red would then be the person daring his god to judge him.
I see. I’m a bit slow sometimes. It’s color coded! Ha!
The point is still the same. Only God can judge. This is what Christians say when they stand condemned by their own sacred text.
I love that his ink says “Only god can judge,” and yet he immediately starts judging someone.
Consistency. Xians don’t do it very well.
It’s entirely consistent with his deep, unexamined belief that he *is* God.
I think I see why Tattoo Guy has such a problem with being judged by people who aren’t his imaginary friend. In fact I find myself wondering whether he’s been judged by an actual judge at some point, and didn’t like the outcome.
I think that atheist shouldn’t have pointed that out in this context. It’s not like the guy was asking for the Bible’s permission to get a tattoo (one situation where the quote would be an appropriate response). Besides, as Dan Savage recently pointed out, we don’t own slaves or send our new wives’ beaten corpses back to their fathers’ doorsteps when we discover they aren’t virgins. And what should we care about how this guy chooses to practise his religion anyway, so long as it’s not hurting other people?
Because the same dickheads who ignore the parts of Leviticus about tattoos, mixed fabrics, haircuts and burnt offerings will use the part of Leviticus which talks about homosexuality as an absolute, unquestionable, iron-clad reason to be homophobic arse-hats. And it matters that hypocrisy like that gets called as often and as loudly as possible, so that maybe the aforementioned dickheads will get ashamed enough to actually smell what they’re shovelling and change it.
We don’t know for sure that this guy was one of those dickheads.
(Though his response certainly outed him. I guess it’s more accurate to say, “Before the person posted the quote, s/he couldn’t have been sure Tattoo Dude was a dickhead.”)
It’s a perfectly appropriate response in this context. The guy is using his arm as a billboard to promote Biblical values, in a way that flagrantly conflicts with Biblical commandments. Commenting on that does not exactly come out of left field.
I think we should assume that selective compliance with Biblical values is the default. It should only come into play when people are using the Bible to renounce selectively. Just having the tattoo displaying his opinion doesn’t cross that line for me, but I’m sympathetic to arguments that it does… it’s just at a low-enough level and there’s a slight hint of something potentially useful in it (“don’t be hasty to judge”) that I’m willing to let it go.
http://bit.ly/KntWyj – it’s a very popular theme for tattoos.
And apparently, it’s the Christian way of saying “fuck you”. And also related, a song by Tupac.
I would go for the more charitable interpretation that “eff you” isn’t usually on the table, as that’s certainly judgement-laden (albeit sometimes with cause – I had to end a “debate” with that the other day, the other person was saying that she couldn’t be bothered to read my points and that I was offensive).
Logically, their tattoos mean that they cannot judge me for not believing in God. I am totally fine with that. ;-)
In the way the Christians often suppose atheists, since we don’t worry about final judgments, do anything we want, this tattoo is sort of a “get out of hell free” card. People break biblical rules all the time, and justify it all the time, and there are Christian churches that welcome gay people, and gay Christians either feel guilt/denial, or find a church where they can eat their cake and have it too. I don’t usually have a problem with other people having tattoos, but I think this one is “tough Christian” don’t give a shit, and they’re probably going to act out when provoked. The victim of everyone’s judgment (right or wrong) spells their personal feelings out in ink – they are going to do whatever the hell they like, and they’re going to act like an asshole to you if you look at them wrong. It only confirms that their tattoo was well worth it. I’ll also say, the tattoo is wrong. Only god can judge whether you go to heaven or hell (if that’s what you believe), but everyone can judge you, whether to go out with you, to hire you, or to pay money to see you in a movie, among zillions of other times and places. It’s not always appropriate, and I’ve been judged unfairly a lot, I think, and also fairly, but not always in my favor. Should I cave in or defy? Depends on the situation and how this fits in with my goals.
Yeah, I’m not sure responding with a biblical passage was necessary to figure tattoo guy out, and I probably wouldn’t bother telling someone else what the bible says against tattoos, and not because he’d react so harshly, but that sort of thing… well, I judged him, and the situation, and it doesn’t require my input, it’s none of my business. His tattoo isn’t hurting me and I decided I wouldn’t engage – not that I was there, I’m just saying it wouldn’t provoke me to strike up an awkward conversation, since, like you said, it’s a given that people will choose parts of the bible to ignore, just like they eat lobster and bacon. I don’t generally have problems with people not obeying biblical laws (or obeying them, even) if the result is not a harm to someone else. If someone does hypocrite themselves by eating bacon, hey, I eat bacon too. If someone doesn’t eat bacon, more bacon for me. If someone wants to mark their body, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, or if someone doesn’t get a tattoo out of religious reasons, that doesn’t hurt anyone either. His tattoo alone doesn’t really hurt anyone, and anyone who judges him negatively for having it can’t say that it does. However, having it does send a message, a warning to not engage because he’s obviously over-sensitive and passes the blame a lot.
Hmm. Yeah, I think your interpretation (especially a warning not to engage) is more likely than merely “judgement is futile”. I am kind of an “assume good faith” person because I listened to too many Dale Carnegie tapes… j/k I would react to it as “judgement is futile” even if I suspected otherwise. (But I think you could come up with arguments against my behavioural pattern.)
Definitely right to point out that lots of other people judge, but I suspect the “can” means much more than just ability. I think it computes to, “Judgment other than from God is wrong”. More of a values thing than a factual thing.
Because the sacred is harmful to society if taken too seriously.
About what I expected. I know we shouldn’t judge spelling & grammar on the net (things get fast & furious & overlooked), but did his misuse of “your” instead of “you’re” surprise anyone, especially given the context of such vitriol and colourful language?*
*I’m sure I’ve made a typo and/or grammatical error in my own reply.
I’m more alarmed that the person failed to recognize a quotation. This person can probably vote somewhere. j/k
A quotation with chapter and verse provided.
Almost as funny as Justin Bieber getting a tattoo of the name ‘Jesus’ in Hebrew. Could Jesus even read Hebrew, or is Bieber just trolling the Jews? I am informed that he now also has Jesus” dolorous face on his calf. Overdose or other scandal in 3….2….
Reposting due to threading fail. =(
An Evangelical friend of mine explained me (and I shamefully forgot) how that verse does not actually apply to modern society but only to the specific group. What about the translation of “tattoo”? Does his argument have a leg to stand on?
Back in aught-eight, I saw a typo on a similar tattoo that cracked me up. I wrote it up over at my pad.
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