When Fundies Get Pathetic

I thought I’d let you in to a little bit of the routine of a moderator here on UF. Or maybe it’s just me who goes to these lengths, I don’t know. Anyway, this morning I logged in and saw this little icon:

Which is there to tell me that somebody’s awaiting moderation. This is pretty common, since all first commenters on the site have to be pre-moderated; it cuts down the spam you guys see and makes mods lives easier. This morning’s was a little bit special though. It wasn’t a comment chock full of links to buy ViagaBoutinTM Brand Combination Shoes/Male Enhancers, it was this:

Now, me, I’m a suspicious minded little bastid, and I think a lot of you probably are too. My first thoughts on reading this were:

1) No way am I approving that comment, and
2) I bet that’s a fundie setting up his own straw-man.

Happily, there is a very useful website where you can find out stuff like that: Pipl.com. I ran a quick search on his email address, and as it turns out, the guy has a YouTube account too. No videos, but my my my weren’t some of his comments on other people’s videos revealing! Here’s a selection:

Yeesh. Not only does this guy apparently want to set up his own argument, but he’s got such negative stereotypes of what it means to be an atheist, that he thought that comment wouldn’t be out of place on an atheist blog. This, my friends, is when fundies get pathetic.

  • Paula Bryder

    Speaking of pathetic fundies, I see an ad here for Christian dating. Comedy gold, I tell ya!

    • kessy_athena

      Is it that Christian Mingle place? I’ve seen their ads on TV and they’re creepy as hell.

      Well, I suppose an ad for a place like that on an atheist blog is what happens when you try to reduce people to algorithms.

      • Kodie

        Sometimes we wait for god to make the next move, when god is saying “it’s your time to act”.

        Ha ha ha. God.

        • UrsaMinor

          It’s called a “nonfalsifiable hypothesis”, and it is a standard weapon in the apologist/fundie arsenal. No matter what happens, you can interpret it as supporting the existence of your god. As such, it is utterly useless as an argument in favor of your position.

        • Paul

          But they follow it up with saying that god selected their mate there.

      • Ash

        Haha! Every time I come to this blog, for instance, I get little sidebar ads for mormon.org. Oh, internet, keep trying :)

      • FO

        You wish.
        You have no ideas what algorithms are becoming capable of.
        I am scared myself.

        • machintelligence

          Evolution by natural selection is an algorithmic process. You should be thankful. :-)

        • Kodie

          We have found your perfect match! You have gotten an email from an admirer! Your perfect match is: a tube sock!

          You have received 1 flirt from: a hole in your mattress!

  • FO

    This guy is not pathetic, is just batshit insane. o_O

  • http://luigiscorner.com Azel

    Let me guess: to think that would pass, he never read the comments of even one post? …They could at least set up remotely credible straw-men…

  • UrsaMinor

    For a moment I started to wonder what the guy would have made of the dogpile of refutation by real atheists that would have happened had his post been allowed to appear, but I quickly realized that this one is way too far gone to hold a conversation with, let alone attempt to educate.

  • picklefactory

    What is up with that icon?

    • UrsaMinor

      I’m looking at it and thinking “Canadians for Cannabis”, but we should probably consult an actual Canadian to be sure. Agathos, are you out there?

      • advent-gred

        I’m canadian, I’ve seen plenty of canadian flags with the maple leaf replaced with cannabis. I’m pretty sure the cannabis was always green on those flags, but having a red one doesn’t seem that far out. I for one always thought the green was rather wrong on our flag.

  • -in

    Did it occur to anyone else that Mr. Fundie is not merely pathetic, but pathologically dangerous? I fear he will be in the news soon.

    • Custador

      If I hadn’t have found any evidence to suggest that the guy was a fundie setting up a straw-man, I would certainly have forwarded that comment to his local law enforcement organisation.

      • Sunny Day

        What on earth for?
        How many have you sent out on ole Hitchslapper?

        • Custador

          Hitchslapper never posted anything that I would have considered a credible threat of violence. This guy’s name and post would have given me serious cause for concern if it wasn’t a fake.

          • Sunny Day

            I didn’t see any credible threats of violence in that guys post.
            Its probably a culture thing. You come from one with ASBO’s
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Social_Behaviour_Order

            So your tolerance might be considerably lower than mine.

            • kessy_athena

              I think it’s a case of better safe then sorry. In any event, the local law enforcement will be in a much better position to judge how credible a threat is then Custy is.

            • Custador

              I believe ASBOs are being phased out, because amongst a certain class of person they’ve become a badge of honour. I wish I was joking.

            • http://themikewrites.blogspot.com JohnMWhite

              I have to agree with Sunny Day, I don’t see this post as any more credible than some of the violent imagery Hitchslapper has come out with.

            • Noelle

              Even HS’s most recent suggestion that puppets (or was it the puppeteers?) should commit suicide isn’t so far off content and style for our YouTuber trying out the gotcha lying for Jesus angle up there.

            • Paul

              “Deserve to have their throats slit”
              “kill all the religious” (twice)
              “All the religious should be exterminated”
              You don’t see any credible threats in his post?

            • Sunny Day

              No I don’t Paul.
              For credibility I would have wanted some specific names or even a sense of immediacy, perhaps in the mention of a timeframe from the poster.

              You’re free to set your credibility meter low and retire to the fainting couch as much as you want.

            • Kodie

              In a culture that says “die in a fire” nonseriously every half a minute, it’s hard to know when to take death threats seriously. I don’t think dying in a fire is nice!

  • Kodie

    This is fine padding out if you have a lot of other meatier topics to post.

    • Custador

      UF invites guest contributions – Please feel free to submit a post.

      • Kodie

        Have you read my writing?

        • Custador

          Quite a lot of it, yes.

          • Kodie

            I don’t think I”m the one to drive traffic to your site, unless you count me seeing if anyone posted anything new yet. Except for one notable acclaim in the forums, my posts don’t seem to have all that that posters are looking for.

      • http://themikewrites.blogspot.com JohnMWhite

        Would you be interested in ye olde “why I became an atheist/secularist/freethinker” type of contributions?

        And Kodie, I’d love to see an article by yourself. I don’t agree with every single word you say (though more often than not I do, with gusto) but that’s what I really like about your comments, they actually make me think rather than just nod or shake my head.

        • Custador

          Sure, I don’t see why not. I’m not sure whether Dan or Vorjack has the submissions inbox at the moment (I think it’s Dan), but drop an entry there by all means.

        • Kodie

          If I think of something, I usually ask in the forums, although I have a volume of unentered submissions also. It mostly comes down to me not getting to the point and having trouble with paragraphs and I get it out of my system and don’t hit post. Consider all that you’ve seen is the very best I can do and it’s not great. I don’t think the kind of questions I have for the knowledgeable (mostly) formerly religious are appropriate blog material, and I don’t really have anything else. Most of my stuff is so-and-so posts something and I got a lot to say about that in response. I do not have the stamina to do a well-researched article about anything. And furthermore, I would hope someone disagreed with what I did have to say or else there wouldn’t be much to discuss. I notice in the other blogs I really like, the blogger makes an assertion that often gets a disagreement by some, a need for clarification by others, and an association to something related by someone else. A successful post for the purposes of discussion is not a question but leaves it to the reader to wonder something or leave them wanting more and so fill in the blanks in the responses.

          • Nox

            I don’t want to ask you to do anything you don’t want to do. But I always find your thoughts fascinating Kodie. If you did want to submit anything I would look forward to reading it.

  • Noelle

    So what’s the definition of fundy? I can’t tell this guy’s (or gal’s) theology from the one comment.

    • Custador

      From his YouTube comments, he’s a YEC Biblical literalist. And smokes a lot of dope.

      • Noelle

        I’ll take that. Funny thing about the YouTube comments you displayed for us, the last one looks to be an almost-sane attempt at real communication. One can’t really discuss anything on YouTube, and being a shocking violent idiot is encouraged there. Maybe he (or she) will try again here with a genuine comment and an open mind for discussion. I hate to see wasted potential.

  • qualiagirl

    Religious mania of this order is one of the most common symptoms of a host of mental illnesses. Unfortunately many nontheist sites I follow seem to take them at face value. A post of this frothing-at-the-mouth nature, when researched to show an obvious pattern, demonstrates clear evidence of mania. I cringe when we choose to debate with someone clearly struggling with delusion and paranoia. Even worse, we hold them up for ridicule, which is too damn easy. A compassionate response, a link to one of the many self-help discussion forums on religious mania, or silence, followed by an immediate ban, seems the more productive course of action here.

    • http://themikewrites.blogspot.com JohnMWhite

      I’m not sure how that would be productive. Telling a frothing-at-the-mouth paranoid mind that can barely keep up with the violent and angry words exploding from it that they need help with their mental health is going to achieve nothing but a negative response. Almost nobody takes kindly to being told they are crazy, particularly people who are mentally ill, and particularly people who are self-righteous and think they are backed by an omnipotent and entirely good sky bully who’ll torture them if they waver in their devotion. Engaging, in the hope that they are forced to tie themselves in so many knots the cords of cognitive dissonance eventually break and they possibly realise their position is entirely unsustainable, seems at least worth a shot even if it only works one out of every thousand times. Your mileage may vary, but I just don’t see how telling somebody with mania they have mania will help.

      • qualiagirl

        I’m in agreement with you there, John: I wouldn’t dream of telling a mentally unbalanced person they’re crazy, and I misspoke if that’s what my comment implied. Research in conflict resolution has shown that diagnosis (often in the form of name-calling) naturally triggers an adversarial response. Analysis, or point-by-point refutation, unfortunately, can be almost equally provoking, especially on faith-based matters. By a compassionate response I meant empathy; listening to the feelings and needs of the other, until you’ve sensed they’ve shifted into a more receptive position, before stating why you disagree, or, if they’re too volatile/unbalanced, send them a link and let them go. I’ve changed a lot more minds with that approach than by getting up in their faces. People choose religion as a strategy because they’re afraid, and that’s a tough position to have to defend.

  • Aaron

    I’m ashamed to admit this, but back when I was a fundie I did something just like that.
    I was arguing with evolutionists on the national geographic website (excessively copying AiG’s stuff) and I made a comment under a false name that said “F*^k all creationists.”

    You see, without the bible, where would my morals come from???? :-)

    • http://themikewrites.blogspot.com JohnMWhite

      I always wonder why people feel the need to do that sort of thing. Do you recall where your head was at? Was it because you felt persecuted to that extent already you figured you weren’t really lying by making up your own aggressive anti-creationist post?

      • FO

        I was thinking on these lines.
        I think it’s because in that mindset, you have already the Truth, so it doesn’t really matter how you try to convey it.
        In your mind, that is REALLY what an atheist/evolutionist would say, so it’s not a lie but the pure Truth.

        Unconsciously, you are used to the fact that Truth comes from within, it FEELS True: you are not in the mindset to check your statements or the reliability of your sources; this is the extreme case, where a fabricated statement that describes a Truth *becomes* source of Truth (not unlike the Bible).

      • Aaron

        I think I justified it by thinking that the end would justify the means. After all, I was saved, so if I convicted them of their sin by a little lie; I would be forgiven and they could go to heaven.

        • FO

          Were you actually conscious that you were lying?
          Were you acknowledging your deception on some level?

          (But hey, if you made it here, it’s great! You give me back some hope.)

  • jose

    Lying for Jesus never gets old!

  • cafeeine

    In these situations I always want to point out that seeing that a person is deceptive doesn’t always tell us what they are deceptive about. While this guy may well be a theist, both the youtube account and the comment here may be attempts at trolling that are equally dishonest and both done to provoke a reaction.


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