The Water Table is an Atheist Conspiracy

Tyler Francke at God of Evolution encountered Ray Comfort playing the “You’re not a real Christian” card to some of his detractors. Faced with the mother of all True Scotsman arguments, Francke upped the ante:

Well played, sir. Well played indeed.

Oddly, there is a group that goes this far. The Congregation and People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad, AKA Boko Harem, in Nigeria. That nickname roughly translates to “Western education is sinful,” which works as a name and a mission statement. A former leader of the group, the late Mohammed Yusuf, is quoted by the BBC:

“There are prominent Islamic preachers who have seen and understood that the present Western-style education is mixed with issues that run contrary to our beliefs in Islam,” he said.

“Like rain. We believe it is a creation of God rather than an evaporation caused by the sun that condenses and becomes rain.

“Like saying the world is a sphere. If it runs contrary to the teachings of Allah, we reject it. We also reject the theory of Darwinism.”

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  • tyler

    i’d heard that quote before but i thought/hoped it was some form of satire. what an amazing world we live in

  • JohnMWhite

    Of all the things to pick a fight with science over, they go for water? I guess that’s about as smart as you can aspire to be when you consider education to be a sin.

    • Nox

      That’s probably not random. Their book does say “And it is He who has released the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition. (25:53)”. Once you commit to rejecting anything that runs contrary to the teaching of allah, the water cycle is right out.

      • JohnMWhite

        Oh yes. I remember the Channel 4 documentary where Dawkins had a chat with a science teacher in a UK school who insisted that salt water and fresh water cannot, under any circumstances, mix. That was depressing.

  • Justin

    And this is a perfect example of why religion should be obliterated from the face of the earth. As long as these sorts of Knuckle draggers are around, the world can only move forward in slow motion.

  • Nemo

    Unbelievable. It’s the 21st century. This is dumber, though perhaps not as harmful, as the whole oppress women thing.

  • Lothar Lorraine

    Hello nice post!

    I didn’t know this Ray Comfort fellow.

    I find it kind of comforting you apparently grant, as an atheist, that one can be a genuine Christian while rejecting this non-sense.

    I believe that if God is the Creator and Sustainer of the physical laws, saying that rain (and Evolution) are some of his creations is not contrary to science in any way.

    Lovely greetings from continental Europe.

    Lothars Sohn – Lothar’s son

    • GubbaBumpkin

      I believe that you have rejected some parts of the Bible, but have not rejected other parts of the Bible, although both are silly.

      • Michael

        Both parts are silly, but I don’t think they are equally silly. It is sillier to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old than to believe in the afterlife. One contradicts everyday observation, while the other is merely unfalsifiable and unjustified.

    • MNb

      What exactly do you mean with genuine christians? Are there also non-genuine christians? In my eyes everyone who calls him/herself a christian is a genuine one. It’s just another meaningless phrase.
      The point of Vorjack is exactly that those words imply a logical fallacy. Replacing “no true” by “genuine” doesn’t make it any better.
      So you comment is pointless.

      “God is the Creator and Sustainer of the physical laws”
      Could you explain how an immaterial being like your god can create and sustain something entirely material like everything that happens in our universe? You see, those laws don’t need to be sustained, like I don’t need to sustain your name. They only describe.

      • basenjibrian

        Did John C travel back through time, meet a lovely German girl, propagate, thus giving us the wisdom of Lothar’s Sohn?