People Should Pay For Spreading Misinformation

I saw this on Ed Brayton’s blog this morning.

“I submit to you that not a single one of our unalienable rights will be safe,” Fischer said, “in the hands of a president who believes that we evolved from slime and that we are the descendents of apes and baboons.”

To all the Christians out there listening to this guy and the people like him; he does not know the first thing about evolution.  If you repeat the line of mutant-power stupid he just said to me, I will take you into the public sphere and punish you and the religion you hold.  I will do this with a song in my heart and with the full intention of showing how your religion keeps people stupid.

Fischer called the separation of church and state “mythical” and argued that a result of secular government and the theory of evolution result in mass murder like in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and Maoist China.

First off, Germany was a largely Catholic nation.  Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

And look at all the societies that were uber religious (like Nazi Germany and the land consumed by the Inquisition).  Does he imagine that all societies contaminated by religion were peaceful so as to separate them from societies run by atheists?  Give me a break.  As religiosity increases, societal problems also tend to increase.  This clown is wrong when he says the only thing Maoist China and Stalinist Russia have in common is dead bodies.  They also have a bounty of irrationality in common – a trait they share with the monstrous religious kingdoms of horror.  A failure to be reasonable is the crime that concerns us for its power to drive a populace into the bedrock.  The only difference is that religion is the one telling us that it’s ok to be irrational and that we must be, lest we provoke an angry god.  They’re the ones maintaining the problem as the cure.

Same goes for the line about Nazi Germany, Christians.  Use it on me and I’ll drag you into public and hang you up like a pinata filled with blood, and I won’t stop thrashing your lame arguments until it’s clear they’re nothing but paper mache.  I hope other atheists will do the same.  There should be penalties for listening to stupid people and helping them to spread the misinformation further.

  • Russell P.

    The republican party is a terrorist organization and should be treated as such.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … Germany was a largely Catholic nation.

    [ahem!]

    From Christine King, “Jehovah’s Witnesses under Nazism” in Michael Berenbaum (ed), A Mosaic of Victims: Non-Jews Persecuted and Murdered by the Nazis (No doubt more authoritative estimates are available; this is just the first I found.):

    The Witnesses were a small group, some twenty thousand out of a total German population of sixty-five million, with twenty million Catholics and forty million Protestants.

  • http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/ Jason Thibeault

    Your post slug is hilarious, JT. :D

    He Godwin’d his own speech. Every anti-atheist apologist does it eventually. This guy just used it as his first recourse.

  • Michaelyn

    “…I’ll drag you into public and hang you up like a pinata filled with blood, and I won’t stop thrashing your lame arguments until it’s clear they’re nothing but paper mache.”

    Feeling a little violent today, huh?

  • quantheory

    I’ve been reading Stephen Pinker’s new book, and he notes that the ideologies most conducive to genocide are those which are totalitarian, utopian, and opposed to Enlightenment humanism (which considers people first and foremost as reasoning human beings, and only secondarily as members of ethnic/religious/national peoples).

    It’s especially dangerous when you have an unquestionable leader who interprets the action of an irresistible metaphysical force (such as the broad sweep of History or the destiny of an ethnic group) in support of a chosen people (the master race, the proletariat) who will bring about a stable utopia. Since a utopia is of potentially infinite value, anyone opposed to it is infinitely evil, and any finite number of lives can be sacrificed to attain it. Since the ideology focuses on a particular group, people’s human nature and human rights are subsumed to their role as members or non-members of the group.

    I’m sure we can all think of some other divisive ideologies where unquestionable leaders interpret a powerful metaphysical entity with a chosen people who are destined to obtain utopia (especially if they earn it by assisting the supposedly inevitable process).

    Hint: none of them are, ultimately, compatible with the kind of scientific skepticism that is widely promoted by the atheist community.

  • http://secularcafe.org Ray Moscow

    Tone, JT, tone!

    (Just kidding — keep verbally slapping the idiots.)

  • Aliasalpha

    Hey I think you might be on to something in your post title. Make them pay.

    Prior to every debate or televised appearance they have to put say $20000 in a box. The debate is recorded and then transcribed to be double blind reviewed by fact checkers. If the speech is mostly true and/or inaccuracies are reasonably judged to be honest mistakes, they get the money back but if not it goes to charity.

    That would put politicians in the horrible position of either being forced to tell the truth or helping poor people!

    • JT Eberhard

      This made my morning. :) Thank you!

  • Bruce Gorton

    Actually Nazi Germany was largely Lutheran.

  • Glodson

    Wow. Bryan Fischer is amazing. He always surprises me. I mean, he’s really expanding my knowledge of exactly how stupid one man can be.

    And wrong as well. And evil. Sooner or later he’s got to hit the limit of stupid, evil and wrong that one man can be.

  • lmlk813

    If you’re looking for a good response to the Nazis were atheists argument…

    “We are convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”

    -Adolph Hitler, Berlin, 1933


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