Religion of love, amirite???

Sometimes I see the most synchronously hilarious and depressing things on facebook.  This was left on the facebook page of a friend of mine.

Apparently, debating something makes it true.  I wonder if Christians arguing against a godless universe makes it true.  That’s just a mystery.  Can someone in the comments start an argument about whether or not Harry Potter is real?  I totes want to see Hogwarts.

Anyway, dad jumped in and I soon followed.

So what was the response?  Did the believer refute our implications that his comment was somewhat lacking in terms of compassion?  Did he explain how debating the existence of Dr. Who didn’t mean Dr. Who existed, but it did mean god existed?

Of course not.

Ignore the arguments and just keep droning “The bible says it!  I’m right!”  In a one-on-one conversation with no accountability, this is frustrating.

So introduce accountability.  Put this stuff online and force them to come up with better arguments or keep looking like rubes.

Here it is for all you Christians reading my blog.  This guy has read the bible.  He has tons of faith.  It has not made him better, and that’s just the crux.  People like this guy, who were raised in Christianity, seem to have an effortless bead on the most important truth (Jesus).  Meanwhile, people like me (and 93% of the National Academy of Science), who see nothing but shit arguments coming from believers and who are explaining why we think those arguments are shit, are doomed.

If god exists, this is the world he created after fully taxing his unlimited wisdom.

On the other hand, if we had a whole bunch of people desperately trying to rationalize a silly belief, this is exactly the scenario in which we’d expect to find ourselves.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • sqlrob

    What’s the Dr. Who image say? Can’t read it in this.

  • Brownian

    Your interlocutor didn’t say it very well, but surely what shklee meant to say is that you can’t use logic and argument to refute God because God invented logic and argument.

    Huh? What do you mean I’m ‘begging the question’?

  • Randomfactor

    That John 3:17 reference appears to be the Out-of-Cranium Autoreply. When the user’s mind checks out for a while, this answer is spat out to all inquiries whether it fits or not.

    • LeftSidePositive

      Out-of-Cranium Autoreply

      GOLD. I am SOOOOO stealing that!!

  • Pierce R. Butler

    sqlrob @ # 3 – It sayeth:


    Because you can’t prove there isn’t a 900 year old time traveling alient who runs around the universe saving human civilization from the brink of destruction.

    So now that you know, what are you going to do about it?

  • Zinc Avenger

    If The Doctor doesn’t exist, why haven’t we been exterminated by Daleks yet?

  • wytchy

    In some ways, I think this is one of the worst harms of religion. That someone can be so taken in by religious belief that they can’t see the fallacy of an argument like that, is quite alarming. They must just have their brain turned off.

    Then again, I suppose it doesn’t take religion to say things without thinking about them. :/

    • ccaldwell314

      It may not require religion to say things without thinking – but I can’t think of a single other non-medical factor that encourages it so.

      • Rory

        Oh, any dogmatic belief will get you to the same place. There are plenty of people from both ends of the political spectrum whose fervent belief seems to completely inoculate them against any suggestiong that their party might be wrong about something. Though to be fair in many ways that’s very like religion.

  • potsandowls

    I prefer to think of Christianity as the religion of reconciliation (not that it helps in any significant way).

  • Drakk

    So the fact that she’s prepared to debate atheism means atheism is true?

  • Ben Schuldt

    You know how many Batman debates I’ve been in!?! That means Batman is real! AWESOME!

  • Gregory in Seattle

    My usual response to statements like that is, “Why your god, and not any of the dozens of other gods that are in current use?”

    It amuses me, watching their heads pop.

    • Kevin


      For that matter, why not Ea? Or Ra? Or any of the non-extant gods?

      What makes you so sure that the ancient Babylonians didn’t get it right?

  • christophburschka

    Oooh, that first one sounds like the ontological argument. Must be a true scholar.

    “Since we can debate God, the concept of God must exist. Any concept of a perfect being that does not exist would be self-contradictory. Ergo, God exists.”

    It was illustrated and demolished it pretty nicely in the God Delusion.

  • suzysalaksartok

    Eh, he took that bible quote out of CONTEXT.

    Besides, if you’re not a Mechanist, youre the wrong religion.

    “thou must prepare thy soul for The Builder’s arrival. Cleanse thy thoughts and accept His words. Embrace the coming of The Builder’s Paradise, and rejoice in the humble part…that thou hast played.”

    “What hast thou…built…? When the time comes to review thy life, with The Master Builder afore thee, and the question is asked, ‘What hast…thou…built,’ what will thee say? For thou art a man of…destruction, not…construction. ‘Tis the biggest sin of all…Build thyself today a good house! That would please Him much!”

    “Soon all will be blessed with the breath of the Builder, the Necrotic Mutox that I created. And all the souls… the rich that spurned me, the City Watch that betrayed me, the loathsome pagans, the mindless commoners, even the loyal followers of Karras, all will receive the blessing… and the cleansing. But will they lift up their arms and praise Karras, as the vapours make them pure? Nay! They will wail, and scream, most ungrateful!” Father Karras