Update on the Osteen situation. They lied even worse than we thought.

I’ve added the following update to the post on Joel Osteen and his wife visiting a public elementary school today.

From one of the people keeping tabs on the goings on at Amidon-Bowen.

I was lied to by the Vice principal.

He told me to my face when I asked, “What will be read?” that “The Lorax” would be the book.  Not so.  50ish K, 1st and 2nd graders were read Victoria Osteen’s book Gifts from the Heart.  No Lorax at all.  The school handed out “Gifts from the Heart” to the kids.

A few declined.  There were many adults- presumably Osteen entourage. Possibly a couple parents.

Joel Osteen smiled and said “Hi how are you” to the kids and patted a few heads.  It was his wife’s show.

One of the students in attendance at the reading explained of Mrs. Osteen that, ‘She didn’t read no Dr. Suess. She read this book!’ and held up a copy of “Gifts From the Heart.”

I have asked everybody on the ground to start collecting evidence.  Pics of kids with the book, recordings of them talking about it, etc.  Kind of ironic we immoral atheists must exert so much effort to prevent breaking the law in the presence of children by people claiming to have the moral high ground.  Thou shalt not lie, right?

We gave them fair warning.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • ‘Tis Himself

    Thou shalt not lie, right?

    You don’t understand. Lying for Jebus™ is a good thing. Sure, all the best goddists (and even most atheists) agree that regular lying is bad. Augustine of Hippo even wrote a book denouncing lying, even if the lie would save someone’s life. But Osteen & Co. weren’t lying just to save a life or anything mundane like that. They were Lying for Jebus™, which makes is totes okay.

  • godlesspanther

    If we ever came across a fundie who was NOT a lying sack of shit….


    People such as this think that because they believe in a magic goo-goo they never have to be held accountable, they never have to back up what they say with any real facts, they are under no obligation to be honest, and they are above the laws that only apply to us mere mortals.

    And don’t forget that atheists are the ones who are arrogant.

  • Val

    So when they read your email from earlier, do you think they had an “oh, shit, what have we done” moment of panic, or more like a “bring it on! God is on our side” moment of hubris?

  • Rebecca

    That slimy sanctimonious sack of sheep shit. WTF???? I dont know why this would surprise me… GodDAMMIT I hate that treacherous cocktard.

  • quentinlong

    I posted this over at PZ’s Big Blog, and thought it might be worthy of attention over here at JT’s place:
    Generally speaking, schools are perennially short on cash. It occurs to me that this sort of Xtian duplicity might offer a partial solution to that problem. When an Xtian approaches a school with an offer to make some sort of secular presentation, the administration should nail down, in writing, exactly what the Xtian is supposed to do and, perhaps more importantly, what the Xtain is supposed to not do.
    “We love you, Rev. Holyroller, but… Those darned atheists have gotten so blasted uppity, and we’d just as soon not get sued. So you’ll have to sign this little document here, okay?”
    And there should be substantial financial penalties for violating the nailed-down terms of the agreement. Like, if they promise to read from THE LORAX, charge ‘em $50K if they don’t read from THE LORAX. And, separate and distinct from the question of whether or not THE LORAX actually is read, $100K if they read from some sort of Xtian propaganda (which, of course, they shouldn’t be doing in the first place). Etc etc.
    “Gosh, Rev. Holyroller, I believe you when you say you won’t proselytise our students, but the district’s legal staff are a cruel and cynical lot. That silly hundred-thousand-dollar penalty clause? Don’t worry about it! Because you have promised that you won’t proselytise our students, so that clause is just a legalistic technicality that I couldn’t persuade the lawyers to leave out. Nothing that could possibly affect you, of course. I mean, unless you actually are going to proselytise our students… but you’re a man of God, so I’m sure you wouldn’t dream of breaking your word, right?”
    Handing out Jeebus-propaganda books, $1K per volume. Or perhaps $10 per sheet of paper with Jeebus-propaganda written on it, to avoid wrangling over oh, well, I didn’t hand out any books! just these innocent little flyers and pamphlets and tracts…
    This is a rough draft; anybody who cares to, should feel free to expand on the idea however they see fit.

  • http://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/ Markita Lynda—damn climate change!

    Typo in title alert: Olsteen.

  • http://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/ Markita Lynda—damn climate change!

    I favor making these presenters post a bond beforehand for enough to hurt them and help the school, say a million dollars, to be forfeit to 50% to the ACLU and 50% to the school board if they break their word. The ACLU can use the money for their overload of cases people ask them to look into.

  • GMacs

    It astounds me that people can move forward with something like this when you didn’t just give them warning, you told them what they were doing, why it was illegal, and pointed out the evidence.

    I can’t believe it. You essentially live-blogged a crime, and they went through with it.

    I would really hope the ACLU is able to go for the people directly responsible rather than the school, board, or district. That way the creeps won’t be able to siphon taxpayer dollars to legally cover their asses.

  • Tiffany

    Here’s your photos: http://www.christianpost.com/news/joel-osteen-encourages-underserved-children-homeless-single-mothers-photos-73964/

    I.. as a parent.. would be-PISSED. That’s all I’m sayin’.

  • Lp

    Wow. If I see that frad a-hole in my community I’ll rip that ugly hair off his head.

    • UP


    • xp2000

      Joel is ugly with bad hair!