Traditional values

And yet it’s the secularists destroying America’s proud history.  America is an ideal to us, which is why we get miffed when the “true blue patriots” ™, who love America so much they don’t need to know her history, turn America into a piece of propaganda.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • Alan David Stein

    I don’t even do the pledge

  • Alex

    Where was this taken at?

    • booger

      I would like to know that as well.

  • Ubi Dubium

    I pledge allegiance
    To no flag
    Of the United States of America
    But to the Republic
    When it deserves it
    One nation
    Under Canada
    With liberty and justice I hope.

    I’ve cracked my kids up with that one. They both have taken to opting out of the daily pledge at their schools.

  • RIchard


  • booger

    Nice one Ubi. I’m stealing that and posting on Facebook.

    • Ubi Dubium

      Yes, please do!

  • haggard

    It’s not like it’s set in stone or anything.

  • carlie

    Nice. I wonder how long before someone accuses it of being photoshopped to take God out?

  • R. Johnston

    The pledge was always disgusting propaganda and an effort at mind control. That it was changed to include a religious mandate didn’t really make it any worse, it just made how awful the pledge is more obvious to people who don’t get that state mandated patriotism is every bit as dangerous as state mandated religion.

  • Ysanne

    This whole pledge stuff creeps me out. It’s the kind of ideological propaganda that’s always pointed out when less-than-democratic countries engage in it.
    Then again, maybe not all of them do: I went to school in Hungary well before 1989. We never had any collective rituals of pledging allegiance to anything.

  • Peter

    It’s always seemed to me that allegiance to a country made some sense, but allegiance to the flag? Rewriting it by taking out “the flag of ” and eliminating “under God” would improve it quite a lot.

    • R Johnston

      Allegiance to a country can make sense, but coercive state mandated ritualized pledges of allegiance never can, even if those pledges don’t involve flags or gods.

  •!/Erulora Erülóra Maikalambe

    Wanna mess with a conservative Christian who really loves their pledge? Point out to them that the pledge was originally written by a socialist, and was recited while doing what looks like a Nazi salute (though that came later).

    They might also find it interesting that the whole reason it was invented was to help a guy sell flags.