Unique =/= true (Blogathon 37/49)

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Six reasons that god exists

It’s all standard bullshit.  But #6 is one I hear a lot when I’m in church.  That amazes me considering the argument is dumb even by biblical standards.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you’ll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you’re looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

The evidence?  Jesus said he was god!  Well, I’m sold.

Even if Christianity were unique (which it’s not), so what?  Since when does being unique make something true?  I could come up with a unique story right now – it’d still be bullshit.  When you talk about the flood in Genesis, the argument is that it’s so similar to all the other flood stories so it must be true!  Then you get this one and the story is that it’s so different from all the others that it must be true.

Christ on a fucking stick!  Pick one!

This is what counts for evidence in Christianity, apparently.

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  • Jandorian

    Stuff like this always gives me pause about argument/discussion strategy.

    Should it be attacked on the factual grounds (i.e. the claim of the uniqueness of Jesus claiming divinity — which is totally unremarkable, see “self-deification” and “messiah_claimants” articles on wikipedia for a start), or on the “so f-ing what” grounds?

    I wonder if the “so what” argument gives too much ground. I mean, if the Christian/theist person says something counter-factual and then claims that this (non)fact leads to a conclusion, should we even be addressing the conclusion? The conclusion is the thing they want to be talking about, so it is tempting to address that and destroy it, but the why even give that inch if the premise is bogus? My sense is neither strategy is super-effective, but granting a bogus premise and arguing about the conclusion is even more ground than I’d like to give. Make ‘em start with true facts/premises.

  • Daniel Schealler

    Oh, except for the Pharaoh from whom the Hebrews were freed by Moses… He claimed to be a God too.

    But we know he wasn’t, because the Bible said so!

    Besides, who would believe that a human being was a God just because they said so, when it’s so obviously a ploy for greater power in this world. That would just be silly!

  • Narvi

    The book of Moron, part 6: “None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did.”

    John 14:28 – “because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”

    That does not compute.

  • Allison

    Very good points! Yes, logical sense is not what religion is known for. Now, it’s also becoming known for NOT even knowing what’s in the Bible. News stories abound these days about decreasing Bible literacy amongst people who increasing rely on its literal word as ultimate truth.

    Yet another funny thing about the #6 argument above, is that Jeses never actually came out and claimed to be God. Sure, he spoke in metaphors (or whoever “remembered” or made up the dialogue attributed to him in the Bible did), but he never just said, “Dudes, I AM God. ‘Nuff said.” . . . or any such thing. So he’s not that different, after all.

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com Umlud

    The “Jesus-is-God” so-called “argument” is a pretty lame one, since it merely proves that Jesus was actually an incarnation of Vishnu, who walked the earth in many human guises. And, to answer Daniel Schealler, you are right in that the Bible points out that Pharaoh could not be a god, but it never says anything about Vishnu, which means that he MUST be a god. Jesus talked about Heaven, where his father lived… which just happens to be where Vishnu lives. (Okay, so it’s called something different – Vaikuntha Loka – but you know how things shift in transliteration; it’s like how you get “Calvary” from “Golgotha”.)

    And by the way, the Egyptian pharaohs weren’t descendants of the a sun deity; the Japanese Emperor was and remains to be! The proof? The sun has remained throughout history, and the Japanese Imperial line – going all the way back to when the first emperor was born from the Sun Goddess, Amaterasu – has never been broken! The Christian Bible was merely pointing out that Egypt’s pharaohs were false claimants of the mantle of the sun! (I mean, just because they happened to live in a rather sunny location doesn’t mean that their claims of divine solarity has any merit, let alone proof!)

    /Poe

  • http://chainthedogma.blogspot.com/ Perry Bulwer

    José Luis de Jesús Miranda claims to be both Jesus Christ and the Antichrist. He has publicly announced he will be made immortal on July 1 2012, just as happened to the body of Jesus, claiming that his body will become radioactive. So, I guess its true because he said it and we should all immediately join his cult, Growing In Grace, and repent our sins.


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