It's true? Oh, good to know.

Got another of Leah Libresco’s new admirers over here telling us how great Catholicism is.  Today’s comes from D N.

If I had to venture a guess I’d say that even 1 million Catholics leaving the Church last year is a huge overestimate, however I cannot prove nor disprove it.

However, while Leah may be one girl entering the Church, she is hardly alone. Every year tens of thousands of people enter the Church of their own accord after studying history and theology and applying reason to their findings.

The Church may be overall getting smaller in size, but the size of a group doesn’t determine its rightness or wrongness. Catholicism is true.

Many people join the church after studying history and theology?  Then why do atheists know more about Catholicism on the whole than Catholics?

People convert after applying reason to their findings?  Why no peer-reviewed papers on the science of crackers becoming flesh?

And, most importantly, and especially after ending with “Catholicism is true,” why did you follow along with previous Catholic commenters here and not provide a single reason for anybody to believe that?

It must be a product of a church culture where people somehow think repeating “It’s true” over and over again with a few bullshit claims about science, reason, or history is enough to garner respect.  In church, that works.  In the real world it confines you to a low, low caste of people who have confused stubborn credulity for knowledge.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • AylaSophia

    Leah may be one girl entering the Church

    Good to see that D N respects his coreligionists, and has noticed that Leah is a girl, rather than a woman or (gasp!) a human. With friends like these…

    (/snark at D N, obviously.)

  • http://faehnri.ch/ eric

    but the size of a group doesn’t determine its rightness or wrongness

    I agree, it’s evidence and facts that determine that. Of which you do not provide.

    Funny they bring up that point when arguing Christianity is true but dwindling numbers is concerned, but never bring it up in the context that there’s a lot of Christians so it must be true.

  • Randomfactor

    Know what’s REALLY dwindling in the Roman Catholic Church over the past few decades?

    The ranks of nuns. Far more so than priests, which they’re ALSO having trouble attracting.

    Funny, that.

  • Mark

    Wait, someone is voluntarily bringing up the history of Catholicism as a reason to join the church?

    Now, I can’t pretend to understand any tactic of Catholic evangelism – they’re all silly to me – but the history of the Church is to me what separates Catholicism from all other religions on Earth (even Mormonism and Scientology) as the most undesirable of all major religions.

    Catholicism has a vicious, bloody, hateful history full of violence, torture, war, suppression of science and culture, and institutionally endorsed sexism. I see nothing to like about it.

    Incidentally, how many gays over the centuries do you suppose have gone through immense emotional and sexual torment their entire life because of a priest shaming them about natural urges? Millions? Hundreds of millions? How do you rationalize the supposed moral benevolence of an institution that has directly caused such unfathomably immense suffering?

  • Makoto

    Hmm.. they can’t prove or disprove millions leaving the church.. and also decline to prove the tens of thousands joining. Umm.. given the exact same quantity of proof they provide for each of those, they’re still losing many, many times more than they’re gaining.

    And there’s the blanket statement of “X is true.” with.. again, no proof. “Makoto is master of the unknown in the universe”. Yep, yep.

    I provided just as much proof as they did about Catholicism, why don’t you believe me? Should I make sure there’s a book written by people you don’t know, with no other sources backing it up, retranslated by people with political agendas, to back up what I said? I’m pretty sure I could do that with a Kickstarter.. I’ll let people name books of the book after themselves after they donate $50 or more.

    • http://reasonableconversation.wordpress.com Kaoru Negisa

      “Makoto is master of the unknown in the universe”

      Man, I wish you had told me before. I could have been worshiping you and torturing people who didn’t for a while now.

      • Makoto

        Never too late to start! Just be sure to torture with extra portions of cake and cream puffs for dessert, that’s just how it works. Unless someone donates $1,000 or more to my Kickstarter, then they get to set the new method.

  • Randomfactor

    Incidentally, how many gays over the centuries do you suppose have gone through immense emotional and sexual torment their entire life because of a priest shaming them about natural urges?

    Starting with the founder…

  • http://reasonableconversation.wordpress.com Kaoru Negisa

    Ceiling Cat be praised! Somebody has finally declared their faith to be true. I’ve just be waiting for somebody to make a strong, unsupported assertion, them being so rare, but now I can put all my fears to rest, throw out my useless condoms, and hide a child molester while opposing gay marriage.

    It’s so nice to be able to believe things because somebody told me it was true. That critical thinking stuff is exhausting and evidence is just so hard to accumulate.

  • http://writtenaftermidnight.wordpress.com jaime

    Please tell me they didn’t really bold that statement in the original post.

  • revjimbob

    The Catholic church’s appeal is becoming more selective.


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