Be careful what you ask for, you might get a shitload of it.

An acquaintance of my father’s on facebook posted this picture…

…with the following comment.

Abortion is nothing but MURDER. There is always another way no matter what the problem is ,no matter how bad the situation may seem. If you are faced with an unwanted pregnancy- find or call a church in your area and the pastor will put you
in touch with people who will help you. Abortion-Murder should not be an option.Everyone should look at this picture and many others like this before thinking about Abortion,then call a church pastor that would love to help you save a life.

Dad read it and ignored it.

Later the guy posted a comment…

@ Mr. John Eberhard, I was waiting for a reply on if you would be for aborting baby in above picture. I simply can’t understand how anyone could be for abortion.Your past posts on Kevin’s page pro-abortion(cluster of cells),just at what point of pregnancy does it bring a tear to ones eyes? I can see where a person could think they had no way out of a troubled situation and seek an abortion as a way out,but that doesn’t have to happen.I would like to say again that no matter how bad the situation or trouble financially a woman does have another option. She or even if it’s a couple making that decision can call any local church and that minister can put you in touch with people that can help them and save a life.Sometimes I’ve read about pro-abortion people being very vocal in their so called cruelty to animals(beef farmers) or strongly against the death penalty for mass murderers of women & children. I really have a problem understanding how some people’s minds are wired.John you mentioned in one post no feelings for God, I had the feeling of God inside when each one of my children were born.It was like watching a miracle happening.This post is to explain what the feelings I described to you were that I said I had when I looked at the above picture.The feeling I had when each one of my children were born and the connect I had with God in the blessing of each one of my children. I just wanted you to understand that this is a very different topic for me and why. I will poke & jab debate over politics Democratic & Republican and have fun ,but on this topic I’m not out to prove any thing to anyone other than to show what life looks like at this stage of pregnancy and share my feelings and why many share my view.

Though tagged, dad ignored him.  A few days later the guy commented again.

Several days and still no reply to picture.Must not have an opinion?

Having turned the other cheek once already, dad apparently did not feel obliged to do so again.

Why, Dan, I do believe you are taunting me. You shouldn’t do that. I am disgusted at the overweening hubris that allows you to think you have the right to make medical decisions for every woman in this country. People like you who have such smug self-righteousness and certainty in their opinions that they feel it gives them the right to run the lives of other people…especially in areas that are about their personal body, as well as decisions that are best made between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her god (if any)……are evil.

Just who the hell do you think you are to assume that power? Dictator Dan?

Your narrowminded drive to deprive women of the right to make decisions about their own body terrifies me. Who gets to make decisions about YOUR body for YOU, Dan? Do whatever emotions got stirred for me when my babies took a dump give me a right to direct what you do with YOUR colon? No? Then why do your stirred emotions give you the power to decide what a woman does with her body?

What amazes me is that the anti-choice screamers like you aren’t doing the best possible and simplest things to prevent abortions. That would be funding and promoting broad based sex education and making contraception free and readily available….So that fewer people have unwanted pregnancies!!!!! If you don’t want abortions, that is how you stop them. If, instead, you want to force your narrow minded moral views on to other people by using the government and the law as a cudgel, then you do……exactly what you are doing.

Let’s don’t kid ourselves this is about abortion: this is about forcing your screwed up religious need to punish sex and to control women onto people who don’t kowtow to you. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t be using such a piss poor way of stopping abortions, but instead using practical methods that have been proven to work.

Knowing my dad, I know this was the equivalent of a warning shot.  Is it bad that I’m kind of hoping the guy doesn’t pay it heed?  *grabs popcorn*


My dad is bad enough, but after reading the exchange my mother realized what was in the picture.  After she communicated that to dad, he followed up with this comment.

TDan….your “picture” of a 12 week old fetus……ISN’T a picture of a 12 week old fetus. It is a picture of a sculpture. Made from clay. Are you that gullible or is it that you don’t understand that lies are wrong? http://www.onetinylife.org/menu.htm Next time you call someone out about a picture of a fetus….make sure it is a picture of a fetus and not a picture of some sculptors imagination, k?

  • Pen

    TDan….your “picture” of a 12 week old fetus……ISN’T a picture of a 12 week old fetus.

    This is important. I’ve long been aware that the images of fetuses used in advertising by anti-choicers are either near term and/or not life size. It was the first thought I had when I saw that image. Why are people not more aware of this?

    • Epinephrine

      Because this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fetus_3_months.jpg) doesn’t manipulate people as well? And because the average person is pretty ignorant?

    • IslandBrewer

      I’m just waiting for anti-choicers to show a picture of a fetus with it’s eyes open, wearing a little frilly dress and bonnet and holding a dolly.

      • Stevarious

        And praying and voting Republican.

    • ButchKitties

      In the course of abortion debates, I have pretended to be on the anti-choice side and posted pictures of a fetus with a caption along the lines of: “Just look at that and tell me it isn’t human”.

      The thing is, I never post a picture of a human fetus. I always use a picture of a cat fetus.

      No anti-choicer has ever noticed.

  • Rory

    I’m a bit torn here. I feel like your mom’s response was more on-target: Dan should immediately be called out for his dishonesty (willfull or not) in claiming that picture is of a 12 week-old fetus.

    On a more fundamental level though, your dad knocks it out of the park. Even if a 12 week-old fetus DID look like a cute and cuddly miniature newborn, that still wouldn’t justify depriving women of the right to make their own reproductive choices. To suggest otherwise is either arrogance or just an utter disregard for other people.

    And yeah, if Danny boy is going to provoke people, I’m totally cool with seeing him get blasted. Pass the popcorn.

    • Interrobang

      Newborns are cute and cuddly? On what planet?

      “Cute” is about the last word I’d ever use to describe a baby, particularly a newborn one, unless you think reddish wrinkly things with froggy eyes are cute, I guess…

      • Reginald Selkirk

        And they leak a lot.

        • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com Ubi Dubium

          They leak from both ends! And make an enormous amount of noise on top of that.

          • busterggi

            Also from both ends.

      • Rory

        Well, that’s just what I’ve been told. Never had one myself.

        • Bob Jase

          3 words-

          projectile bowel movements

          • Joe

            Well, now I’m never having kids.

      • Nepenthe

        Well, most white ones look like Winston Churchill, which could be endearing if you squint and look sideways.

        • Bob Jase

          My daughter was a dead ringer for Charles Laughton.

      • recreant888

        My daughter insists crabs and crawfish are cute and therefore refuses to eat them. Cute is in the eye of the beholder.

        • busterggi

          I agree with her.

          And that has nothing to do with my extreme allery to the critters.

    • iknklast

      When my son was born, he was extremely unattractive. Not to us, of course, but he was not a thing of beauty. No newborn looks as good as the “unborn babies” they’re always showing. They need a few hours, and a bit of cleaning up, and then they actually look like that, but still…I think a two year old kid has a lot more going for it in the cuteness spectrum.

      Cue the anti-choicer now sending me “unborn babies” that have teeth, curiousity in their blue eyes (because the desirable babies are always blond haired and blue eyed, of course), and is walking.

      My mother always used to complain about the newborns they showed in movies. Having delivered six children, she knew those babies were at least several weeks old. She was still a sucker for this sort of thing, because suddenly a fetus looked more like a baby than a newborn. It’s hard to argue facts against emotion.

  • Kevin K

    I attended the exhibit of human bodies preserved as art forms (fascinating stuff) a few years back. Part of the exhibit was a series of fetuses at various stages of development.

    A 12-week-old fetus would be substantially smaller than that sculpture. Fingernail sized, I do believe. They had to put it under a magnifying glass so you could see it.

    So, not just wrong as to looks, but HUGELY wrong as to size.

  • Lyfa

    *asks JT to pass the popcorn*

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Clay? According to your mom’s link, that mini-doll is made of “resin”.

    But that doesn’t matter. No actual fetuses, babies, or women matter.

    Only the general idea of “LIFE!!!1!” matters, not wretched sinful individuals, statistics, or bombing targets.

  • Stevarious

    @Pen

    Why are people not more aware of this?

    Willful ignorance.

  • Aliasalpha

    Oh that fetus clearly just got a bit more air than usual pumped into it before being aborted.

    That IS how it works isn’t it? Fetuses start off looking exactly like new born babies only in extreme miniature and as the pregnancy progresses they get inflated by the uterine air pumps. That’s why they have to tie off the umbilical cord or the air would be blown out and the baby would fly all around the room accompanied by a comical noise kind of like a fart.

    • busterggi

      Actually only boy babies sound like farts.

      Girl babies sound like queefs (queeves??).

  • anteprepro

    It’s not obvious that the picture of something clearly fake? It looked like a plastic figurine to me. I am surprised that both the Godtroll and JT’s dad didn’t easily see that.

  • http://www.nobelief.net Jasper of Maine (I feel safe and welcome at FTB)

    Because the adoption clinics have room for more. Because we’re all for gay parents adopting. Because adding one more infant child to the adoption agencies won’t displace an older one who will have that much less of a chance to be adopted because everyone wants infants. Because pregnancy is risk-free and cheap and doesn’t cause health difficulties for the woman or make her life difficult.

    The adoption route is perfect, and we don’t need to consider the nuances of reality before making decisions.

  • pipenta

    I assumed it was polymer clay or fondant. Marzipan maybe?

  • Loqi

    Yeah, I immediately went “that’s not a 12 week old fetus.” It’s like they think that sperm are shaped like teeny tiny lower bodies and eggs are teeny tiny torsos, and fertilization is when they match up and create a teeny tiny fully formed human, and it just gets larger throughout the pregnancy.

  • justsomeguy

    Am I the only person who took one look at that hideous little thing and thought it looked more like something that would burst out of a person’s chest? SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

  • Erista (aka Eris)

    I can’t find any good pictures of 12 week old fetuses from any reputable sources, just drawings. Boooooo.

  • Icaarus

    I was trying to figure out whether it was photoshoped or a model. Pass on the thanks for the clarification to your mother.

  • NightRaith

    Your dad is a BAMF

  • Randomfactor

    According to recent studies, if you want fewer abortions you make them safe, legal, and readily available.

    If you want MORE abortions, you make them harder to get and preferably only through illegal means. Although that is also the best method for using the issue to oppress and kill women, so that may cloud the results some.

  • http://www.facebook.com/park.james.102 parkjames

    Whenever I drive through the rural parts of my home state, Minnesota, I see tons of gaudy pro-life signs that have stupid sayings and pictures of children on them. This one sign has a picture of a kid on it with a caption that says “I’ve got my daddy’s eyes!”, then gives some inane fact about the development of a fetus. All I can think of when I see the sign is how much better it would be if the baby was holding two fresh, bloody eyeballs in its hands in front of a body lying face down in a pool of blood. Somehow I don’t think my idea would be popular with the people who financed the billboard, but whatevs.

  • lorimakesquilts

    Your dad is a badass.

    Not only is this not a picture of a 12 week fetus, it’s not anywhere near an accurate representation of one. And none of this is relevant. As your dad pointed out — it’s legal and it’s none of your freaking business unless you’re the one that’s pregnant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/groups/feminatheistsunited Alicia Kopp

    I just got home from traveling through Washington, Oregon and the northern half of California. We drove through the coast and middle of the states. Put about 2K on the car. During this time we saw a few religious billboards, but never once did we did an anti-choice billboard. Living in Minnesota this was very refreshing. We have anti-choice billboards everywhere and it is disgusting.

  • pipenta

    I still think it’s candy. Atheists are supposed to be baby eaters anyway. Make that thing in various kinds of chocolate and sell them as cupcake toppers.

    • Stevarious

      The baby-eating jokes kind of lost favor after this guy ruined it for everyone.

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  • Pastor B

    As a minister I firmly believe a woman has a right to do with her body whatever she feels she needs to do for her health. The confusion with the pro-choice folks that the baby is not her body, but another human being connected to her with a feeding tube. If you had a child in the hospital who had to use a feeding tube for a period of time, would you likewise assume you have the right to kill him or her?

    • Loqi

      Even if we grant that it’s another human being for the sake of argument, why is *she* forced to be on the other end of the feeding tube? If you believe she has the right to do what she wants with her body, then she should be able to remove the feeding tube on her end. She also isn’t obligated to incubate the “other human being.”

    • Nate Frein

      The problem with your analogy is that there is another human on the other end of that feeding tube. If you woke up and found yourself attached to another person, who would die if you pulled free, would you consider yourself a murderer if you decided to pull free and walk away?

      • Loqi

        Ironic, isn’t it, that in the same post where he says he’s all for women’s rights to control their bodies, he goes on to analogize them as inanimate life support machines?

        • Nate Frein

          Indeed.

    • http://anthrozine.com Cubist

      Pastor B, let me introduce you to my good friend T. Violinist Analogy:

      You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist’s circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but] in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.

      Is it morally right that you be forced to put your body into service for the violinist’s benefit?
      Are you morally required to allow the violinist to remain hooked up to your body, feeding off of your biological functions?
      You clearly think that in the case of pregnancy, it is morally right that the mother be forced to put her body into service for the unborn child’s benefit (I’d say ‘fetus’ is the proper term, but you obviously would differ on this point, so…), and that the mother is morally required to allow the unborn child (see above) to remain ‘hooked up’ to her body, feeding off of her biological functions. It will be interesting to see whether your answers of “yes” and “yes”, when it’s a mother and fetus, remain the same when it’s you and the violinist.


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