This needs downvotes

Here’s a band with a used car salesman (or, at least, a guy who really looks like one) making a pitch for mandatory school prayer/bible study.  Apparently, students only having the option to pray or read the bible in school isn’t enough.

And apparently students didn’t get in fights, get high, or make out in the 1960s.  Who knew?

Christ, the Constitution can be so annoying, can’t it?

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • neatospiderplant

    So I guess by his logic there’s no violence, drugs or making out happening at Christian schools?

  • KirikaSena

    Oh Christ, not Carman (and Petra). I went to this guy’s concert back when I was, like, 11, and I even had one of his CDs (in my defense, I was raised as a conservative Christian from birth. I started losing my faith about 2 years after that concert)… I heard a few of his songs again about a month ago, and I was disgusted. As a atheist secular humanist, the song in that video particularly pissed me off. I also immediately explained to my ten-year old sister how wrong the guy is. She’s still being raised by my Christian parents, but I’ve gotten to the point where I pull no fucking punches. I’m sick enough of the fact that I was brainwashed into believing such shit; I’m not going to stand by while the same thing happens to my sisters.

    Today I was showing them the Global Atheist Convention tribute to Hitchens. I made sure they paid attention when he said: “If I was told to do what all monotheists are told to do and admire the man who said, “Yes, I’ll gut my kid to show my love of God,” I’d say, ‘No. Fuck you.’” and “And I’d urge you to look at… those people who tell you, at your age, that you’re dead till you believe as they do — what a terrible thing to be telling to children! And that you can only live by accepting an absolute authority — don’t think of that as a gift. Think of it as a poisoned chalice. Push it aside however tempting it is. Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.”

    • KirikaSena

      *edit** As an atheist*
      And to clarify that, I mean the part that says “Humanism, atheism, no Bible. Our consciences have died.”

      Sorry, shitty night with my patriarchal right-wing Christian father = Kirika drinking wine = raging without taking the time to thought/spell check.

  • Laurie

    And there’s nothing creepy about a middle aged guy playing air guitar hanging out in a high school hallway, nothing at all.

  • lancefinney

    Back in my fundie Christian days, I was really into Christian rock. I went to a Carman concert with my church group, but I was completely embarrassed by the experience.

    Not because of the message, but by the horrible music. Well, that and the ham-fisted way the message was presented.

    I’ve been an atheist for 15 years, but I still listen to some of the Christian CDs I grew up with. Perhaps this should be my greatest atheist embarrassment, but the music I still listen to is by good musicians who happened to be christian, not from hacks like Carman for whom music was nothing more than a ministry tool.

    • Rory

      I will say this about Christian music: in college I caught a ride once with a super born-again Christian and he had the song ‘Breakfast’ by the Newsboys playing. It remains my go-to for awesomely bad religious music, and I cannot recommend it enough for those looking for a good laugh. Just don’t let other people hear you listening to it, or they might get the wrong idea.

  • aurophobia

    WOW. This is really *embarrassing*… Not because it’s so bad….but because I remember it from when I was a Christian. I actually remember liking this. Wow, that’s really embarrassing to type but it goes to show how far I’ve come.

  • http://www.subparker.com Neal

    Ha! I remember this from my Christian childhood. Out of sick curiosity I YouTubed this not long ago, as well as his revisionist-history-dominionist tripe “America Again”, and I noticed something: He re-uses a lot of the same stock footage in both videos.

  • grumpyoldfart

    Why go back fifty years to 1962 and call them “the good old days”? Why not go back another fifty years to the really good old days and see how children were treated when practically 100% of the population were god-fearing Christians:



  • nf

    I’m not sure I see much point in downvoting a video posted 5 years ago with only 120,000 hits.

  • Francisco Bacopa

    Not all Christian pop music was crap. There was this band back in the 80′s and 90′s that started off as a knockoff of British synthpop, but then started doing this really aggressive music with tons of drum machines and sequencers. Then their vocalist started looking the way AronRa looks now and they started doing all this crazy shit with walls of looped guitar tracks. Impressive stuff. Even got played on MTV.

    You may remember them well. They were called Ministry.

    Oh, wait…

    Sorry. All Christian pop and rock are bad. But I wonder if any Christian teen bought a Ministry album by mistake.

  • Orion3T

    … must.. resist… guitar… riffs… gnnnhhhrrrrr

    If it weren’t for the cheesy video and nonsense lyrics I could almost enjoy this, just on the backing track. Yep, I’m a guitarist sympathiser.

    Someone shoot me. Now.

    • Orion3T

      Hmm… posted in haste. I’m not sure how well my above comment translates culturally from UK-US humour. (and don’t get me wrong, I like a lot of US comedies)

      I simply mean I feel somewhat ashamed for almost enjoying the guitar part… hopefully you all get my meaning.

      I think I will shut up now.

  • DrVonEvilPants

    The blonde guy kept distracting me with his blouse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000457405046 krispreusker

    Wow, all it needs is a little DC Talk, and you’d have all the music I owned until I was 16. Holy shit.


    • KirikaSena

      Just listen to “Addicted to Jesus” by Carman and there you go. XD

  • robb

    my favorite christian rock is Black Sabbath.

  • Chad

    Fucking Carmen? I didn’t realize he was still alive. JT, this is nothing compared to the utter bullshit this guy produced in the 80′s. Wow, this video doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    As a Christian teen, I know that every time I tried to pray in school I was disciplined. Oh wait, nothing remotely close to that happened. No one said anything.