Trust your own moral judgment

Articles like this one piss me off.  It’s criticizing Chick-Fil-A appreciation day from a Christian perspective.  So many protestations of “Jesus said the opposite!”

Look, gays don’t deserve rights because Jesus wants it that way.  Even if the bible explicitly said, “Don’t give gay people the same rights as straights” it wouldn’t make a lick of difference.  Right or wrong isn’t determined by what aligns with your religion.  In fact, you are perpetuating the problem by deferring to the bible as though it, and not humanity, has the moral authority.

At least the author is addressing other believers, even if he’s validating faith as a reliable means to accurate beliefs at the same time.  Most of the time Christians rush to absolve religion by telling us that the crowds of believers who were practically touching themselves in anticipation of making other people’s lives miserable have faith all wrong before taking their criticism to those believers, as though telling me about the goodness of god was more important than telling other Christians about the vileness of bigotry.

But still, if you’re going to trust your own moral judgment, do it.  Don’t say you’re trusting your moral judgment and then pick out the parts of the damn book that agree with you.  If the bible said to stab red-haired children, you wouldn’t do it because you trust your own moral judgment – you have to in order to conclude that the bible is moral in the first place.  Ditch the thing.  Trust yourself.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • jws1

    “Can I get a ‘God Damn!’ from the congregation!”

    • stevendorst

      God Damn!

      • jws1

        Thank you, brother!

  • herp

    I am always reminded of this meme whenever there is a “Jesus said so” argument from any Christian-like person.

  • IslandBrewer

    Unfortunately, when believers argue with believers, it’s almost always about interpreting what Jesus actually wants. when the moral pangs start a pangin’, then they think that it’s Jesus telling them that they’re interpreting him wrong, and they have to somehow reinterpret the bible until it jibes with what “Jesus is telling them in their heart”. Using the bible for logical reasoned argument is never a good bet.

    • https://twitter.com/#!/Erulora Erülóra Maikalambe

      Unfortunately, when believers argue with believers, it’s almost always about interpreting what Jesus actually wants.

      Like two blind men arguing over what color unicorns are.

      • Cafeeine

        Like two blind men arguing over what color unicorns are

        Thats a silly argument, they are pink and invisible of course!

  • http://confessionsfromthepeanutgallery.blogspot.com/ YankeeCynic

    I hate it when people attempt to bring the bible into ANYTHING relating to civic conduct. We have enough trouble with people’s interpretation of the Constitution in this country (is the establishment clause REALLY that hard to read?) without bringing in vague, poorly written and repeatedly translated bronze- and iron-age mythology into it.

  • John Horstman

    If the bible said to stab red-haired children, you wouldn’t do it because you trust your own moral judgment – you have to in order to conclude that the bible is moral in the first place.

    Oh Seth, it doesn’t, does it? I could be in trouble…

  • lofgren

    This seems like an appropriate place for this:

    My wife was forced to read a book by the first gay bishop of the Episcopal church. In it he tackles the argument from Leviticus.

    Basically he argues that Leviticus defines “unnatural” states as “unclean.” I.e., masturbate, you’re now unclean because masturbation is not natural. Menstruate, you’re now unclean because menstruation is unnatural. Yeah, we’re already in a world of fucking nonsense, but hold on it gets worse.

    So Leviticus also mentions homosexuality as unclean and particularly of deserving death. Obviously, using his frame, homosexuality is therefore unnatural.

    BUT, he says, the ancient Hebrews were ignorant morons who were not aware that homosexuality IS a natural state for some people, i.e. that they were born that way. For people who were BORN homosexual, he argues, it would actually be “unnatural” and therefore “unclean” for them to have sex with a person of the OPPOSITE sex.

    Using this logic, he argues that Leviticus is not actually antigay, and that other Christians have misunderstood its message.

    FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS:

    1. What the fuck definition of “natural” could you possibly be using that would include fucking menstruation, a normal bodily function whose cessation often indicates that something is seriously wrong with your body?

    2. Masturbation, an act performed by every single mammal that can reach its genitals, is unnatural? Again, what the fuck?

    3. If god intended for the law against having gay sex to apply only to straight people, why the fuck didn’t he say so instead of making it sound like open season on gay people?

    4. Why is half of the law, a a prohibition on straight sex by gay people, apparently missing?

    5. How the fuck am I supposed to know if any given consenting adult having sex with another consenting adult of the same sex is “naturally” gay or an abomination? How fucked up is it that there are people in the world who are actually consoling themselves with this interpretation? Only somebody already intensely fucked up and miserable about their sexuality could possibly view this as an improvement on the situation. Note that the bishop in question has two daughters. So does that mean he is an abomination and should be put to death. This shit is confusing.

    Discuss.

  • petejohn

    Menstruation is unnatural? Hhhhmmmm…. Ok.

    And people wonder by nonbelievers are so “strident.” It’s because religion turns people into mushy thinkers, that’s why! Among many other reasons of course.


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