Christians are gullible.

Some Christian on the internet is upset that I called believers gullible yesterday.

He doesn’t seem to get that shame is often like pain: it alerts us to problems we need to fix.  It’s what keeps keeps people like white supremacists from interacting with civilized society.  Sure, often people attempt to shame people like sufferers of mental illness or gay people, but this shame is manufactured and without support.  There is no good reason to believe people with mental health problems should be ashamed.  Ditto for gay people.

But being gullible when we have the capacity to do better is something for which we should feel ashamed.  For those who think someone rose from the dead, you’re damn right you should be ashamed of that belief.  It’s ridiculous.  It cannot be defended.  I want to create a world where every single believer double-thinks before opening their mouth to proselytize for fear that their target will be well-informed and will make a public fool out of them for believing something so outlandish.

If there are good reasons to believe in Christianity, trot them out.  Otherwise, don’t get all pissy when I say that you’re gullible.

And as for the argument of “how would you like it if people went around saying that you’re gullible, huh atheist?”  Try it.  Say that I’m gullible.  You know what I’ll do?  I’ll defend my position.  I’ll also weep for humanity that someone who believes a guy rose from the dead 2,000 years ago can say, with a straight face, that the guy who doesn’t believe that is the gullible one.

Christians are being gullible.  They might be nice people, but the very definition of being gullible is to exhibit a lack of checks against being taken advantage of, which is exactly what it takes to believe the claims of Christianity.  If you don’t like the affects of being gullible, stop being gullible; don’t ask others to stop noting it.

  • Heather

    My grandmother always implies that I’m gullible when I remind her that I’m atheist. I remind her that most people are Christians because that’s what they’re raised to believe since the moment they’re born (kind of the definition of naivety and gullibility) and she always just shoots back with something to try to make me feel guilty that I imply that Christians are gullible. Always a horrible argument.

  • ACN

    And the worst part?

    His website is hideous.

    • Josh Hyde

      One could say it’s a crime against God.

      • Loqi

        It’s certainly a crime against web browsers. Especially mobile ones. My Dolphin is considering pressing charges.

    • baal

      I agree, there is something about being religious that strongly correlates with terrible web design. The back ground has black and bright yellow. The offsetting white text works vs black but is nearly invisible against black. Worse, the image in yellow stays put while the white words scroll over it so you brain doesn’t even get to learn the background to see the letters. Also, gray text for the about the author against the black is similarly eye shredding.
      I’m sure Patheos (generally) hired godless folks to set the place up.

      less ot – belief based on faith is pretty much the definition of gullible. The element they can argue about is the falseness (gullible is belief in bs (false things for bad reasons)). Not saying they’ll win that one but I like to point out where folks can do better job for their side.

    • Drakk

      See, it’s not that bad for me (Firefox). The picture of the saint gets shifted to the left completely and all the text ends up on a black background. It makes the grey title text a bit of a pain but the white text is perfectly legible.

      I’m not sure if it’s because the website had been coded for IE or something and it messes up in FF, or whatever.

    • http://togetherforpeace.com Apollos

      lol…I never paid much attention to the functionality of the layout until now. I suppose I should make some adjustments. :)

      • Drakk

        Sorry, that made it worse. :/

  • Ryan

    No, the worst part isn’t that his site is so horrible (although it is certainly cringe-inducing). The worst part is that, like almost everyone living in a cognitive dissonance bubble, he can’t even link back to the post in question for people to make up their own minds.

    • ACN

      Wow, I totally missed that.

      I prodded him to do so. That’s just really bad manners.

    • http://togetherforpeace.com Apollos

      I added the link. It was a mistake that was not intentional. Otherwise, I certainly wouldn’t have been tweeting to Eberhard when more people probably read my tweets than they do my blog.

      • Ryan

        Fair enough.

      • Drakk

        While we’re discussing this topic, you’ve got excerpts from our little back-and-forth over criticism with no link to the relevant thread for context. Might be an idea to add that in.

  • SuperMental

    Enjoyed this post. Sad that we live in societies that require this to be said.

  • machintelligence

    Faith is just gullibility dressed up in its Sunday best.

  • Rakatosh

    This dude has been making inane YT videos for years. Seems like a decent fellow but he’s prone to take offense and generally fails at logic and coherence.

  • Highlander

    He has a little quote about his diety of choice off to the side “He is quite the mystery, albeit a revealed one.” What? How can you be a mystery and be revealed at the same time?

    • DSimon

      Well, you got your known unknowns, and then your unknown unknowns…

  • Randomfactor

    And the ironic part is that the word “gullible” isn’t even in the dictionary.

    • Artor

      Hah! You almost had me there for a second, but I’m not that dewy-eyed, exploitable, easy, naïve, susceptible, trusting, unwary, or wide-eyed. (Synonyms from the Mirriam-Webster entry)

    • John Horstman

      I’m actually entirely confused as to what’s intended to be communicated by the sarcasm-tagged section of that post. Is the sarcastic part that he says “calling them names”? Is the second part supposed to imply that we do care deeply about people giving us funny looks in response to irreverent behavior? The framing implies it’s supposed to be some sort of gotcha moment or a zinger that drives the point home. Is this a case of values dissonance, where I’m supposed to read that as some sort of denigrating characterization instead of a positive one?

      I see you’ve joined the discussion in the comments, Apollos – could you explain your intent here?

      • John Horstman

        Wha? This was supposed to be a root-thread post, not a reply… Oh well.

  • http://coreysviews.wordpress.com/category/news-politics-opinions/ Corey Mondello

    “Blind Faith” makes all who have it gullible, oh and stupid, selfish, cruel, and usually Republican

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  • http://togetherforpeace.com Apollos

    JT, as entertaining as it is for some people, that you repeatedly make sweeping generalizations of all religious people, I’m more interested in hearing you provide a reasoned critique to my response. Your tweet of how it took you 21 secs of research isn’t terribly meaningful.

  • Kevin

    Having spent a fair amount of time reading Freethought Blogs, particularly the comments over sexism and “Atheism Plus”, I would have to conclude that anyone who believes that atheists are more reasonable than Christians is extremely gullible, since there is no evidence that it’s true.

    On topic, having spent an inordinate amount of my time debating atheists, and watching both sides walk away thinking the other is gullible/idiotic/whatever, I personally tend to be highly unimpressed with things like the idea of gullibility being tied to whether or not someone agrees with you, without having established why your opinion matters more than theirs. I think the idea that getting rid of religion will make the world a better place is incredibly untethered from reality, but those who do believe that aren’t necessarily gullible. Maybe they place more emphasis on different things than I do, maybe they were hurt by a religious person at some point. Point is, disagree =/= gullible.

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