Dan wonders about the DNC removing god from its platform.

Remember Dan, the guy who taunted my dad and promptly got what he asked for?  It turns out that the Democratic party’s heavy-handed appeal to faith isn’t good enough for the wingers.  The DNC has removed any mention of god from its 2012 platform, and the wingers are going apoplectic over it.

Dan returned to ask my dad how he felt about it.  Dan says.

What do you think about this John? Just thought you might be interested. I don’t think you read the blaze, so I did not want you to miss this. To the point,do you think this will help,hurt or have no effect on the election? This is not an attack or poke, I really wanted to know what your opinion of this would be from the left? I have not done the checks that you do,but did also see mention on CNN today stating the same. :)

Didn’t get enough Glenn Beck before FOX fired him?  Worry not!  He set up his own “news’ website: The Blaze.  This was the first story they ever ran.

I know what all those words mean…just not when jumbled together like that.

Anyway, dad patiently responded.

Where to begin….

I don’t read the Blaze, but I do read CNN, and I saw it there.

I guess, first of all, I would like to commend them for their adherence to the Constitution: Article VI, paragraph 3, “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

The godbots will give lip service to the Constitution, but we all know their unofficial test is to be Christian and promote the Christian god.

Took some real gonads to not pander to the frothing fundamentalist right and to at least pretend this is in fact a nation with a secular constitution and it is a religiously inclusive nation, so mentioning “God” without mentioning Allah, Odin, or others wouldn’t be a very good way of acknowledging that inclusiveness. Of course, the Christians have a sense of privilege and “Mommy likes me better” that any smart politician would pander to. Of course, the Christian right can’t comprehend the concept of neutral….it isn’t as if the DNC platform spoke against god, it just didn’t mention him/it/them; which to the godbots is just as bad.

So the Dems were not politically smart to not include the obligatory reference to your preferred deity. It doesn’t matter that they included verbiage about faith, of course that isn’t good enough because faith doesn’t pander to the Christian demand for privileged position. It doesn’t matter that they have a shit ton of various preachers giving prayers at the convention, either.

“Democrats did include a section in their 2012 platform specifically devoted to faith, writing faith “has always been a central part of the American story, and it has been a driving force of progress and justice throughout our history.”

“There is no conflict between supporting faith-based institutions and respecting our Constitution, and a full commitment to both principles is essential for the continued flourishing of both faith and country,” the document reads.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/04/god-also-absent-from-democrats-platform/

You ask, “To the point,do you think this will help,hurt or have no effect on the election?” Probably hurt them a little, but not that much. The far Christian right to whom this is important weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway. The reference to faith should be enough to satisfy most moderates. It didn’t gain them any votes from the atheists, most of whom would be for Obama anyway, because they know the religious right and the Republicans who pander to them are determined to turn our country into a theocracy.

I also think the right wing echo chamber is going to have a batshit crazy field day with this one.

Yup.

  • http://mid-west-atheist.blogspot.com/ Volizden

    I love your Dad… Cant wait to see him and your mom at skepticon this year…

  • http://patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism Libby Anne

    Interestingly, when they argue that God was mentioned and affirmed in our nation’s founding documents, evangelicals seem to forget that while God was mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, that was NOT an official document setting up our government, and God was NOT mentioned in the Constitution, which actually ruffled not a few feathers at the time, and was most definitely an intentional omission.

    • John Eberhard

      By Gum, Libby Anne, I believe I will point that out to Dan. Thank you!

    • Glodson

      And when God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence it is in the phrase “Nature’s God” and Creator. These are not Christian concepts. Nature’s God and Creator are deistic in nature, a far cry from the Abrahamic God of Christianity. And we know the primary author of the Declaration of Independence was a deist who edited the Bible to excise all the supernatural elements he rejected. Well, all of us but David Barton, but that’s not important right now. So the one document that we have that mentions any type of god doesn’t make a mention a Christian interventionalist god, but rather the deist style of a distance creator that has nothing to do with the creation after the act of creation.

      • Loqi

        Hold on a sec, there. David Barton knows damn well that Jefferson was a deist. He just pretends otherwise and assumes his audience is too stupid/lazy/blinded to check up on it.

    • LeftWingFox

      That was my thought too: The Democratic platform mentions “God” as many times as the Constitution does.

      • Rory

        That’s a nice way to put it. I doubt I’ll have a chance to speak to anyone about this, but if I do, that’s how I’ll frame it.

      • Randomfactor

        And I believe there was no “god” in the 2008 platform too. So this ain’t news.

  • HeathenNTX

    You’re lucky, my dad’s the one that sends me the religious right propaganda in my e-mail even when I’ve told him not to. I ended up having to vanquish his email to my spam filter.

  • machintelligence

    It’s a classic case of “the ones that matter don’t care and the ones that care don’t matter.”

  • http://faehnri.ch/ eric

    Kinda hard for Christians to be neutral and fair to others when they actually believe they’re special and going to paradise while anyone else will be tortured.

  • Jasper

    Keep in mind that when the Constitution mentions “September” that’s because we’re using the Roman calendar and that means the Roman gods are the foundation of the United States. In Zeus we trust.

    • machintelligence

      Keep Thor in Thursday.

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  • Charlie Kilian

    I rather admire Dan for approaching an ideological opponent and asking for his opinion. From what I’ve seen of him, I wouldn’t agree with him on much at all. But this I like. (I’m assuming, of course, that he is asking in good faith. But I don’t see a reason to believe otherwise, and I prefer to take a person at their word until they give me a reason not to.)


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