The JT signal.

Someone on facebook noticed I got tagged in threads with arguments a lot as a means to summon me to the conversation.  That prompted him to make this image, which cracks me the hell up.

Sadly, I must ignore most online arguments.  There simply isn’t enough time to combat every crime against rationality, and certainly not enough time to give a good thrashing to every theist on the internet begging for one.

Although, I think tomorrow this pompous screed from Thomas McDonald is going to get a full metaphorical kick in the junk.

Atheists have nothing to say about religion and creation that is of the tiniest possible interest to me. Been there, done it, growed up and put on my big boy pants. Denial of God is about intellectually credible as denial of the holocaust. Since it makes my fingers ache to constantly delete your comments, I’m just shutting them down. I’ve got work to do. Go play somewhere else.

Let’s come play over here where McDonald can’t shut people up, where he’ll have to rely on the merits of his arguments (which are lame to the power of lame).

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • Makoto

    This may seem a bit tangential, but I assume you’ve seen http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hres789/text – specifically:
    (1) reaffirms the importance of religion in the lives of United States citizens and their freedom to exercise those beliefs peacefully;

    (2) recognizes that Judeo-Christian heritage has played a strong role in the development of the United States and in the lives of many of the Nation’s citizens;

    (3) rejects efforts to remove evidence of Judeo-Christian heritage and references to God from public structures and resources;

    JT Signal activated as best I can via a comment.

    • IslandBrewer

      Ugh, House resolutions. They’re every bit as effective as prayer.

    • Greg

      If you want info on the Kansas City Trolls, as PZ called them, or The Goldstein Squad, as they call themselves, I can get you everything you need.

      In fact, I will post it all here if you need it.

  • Glodson

    This has just been my observation, but when someone announces how they been shutting people down and constantly deletes comments, this is a person who has routinely been owned. And reading that posting example makes them think he would be yet another example of this. I would call in the Dunning-Kruger Effect, but I suspect he knows he’s been getting his ass spanked red, so to speak.

  • LawnBoy

    Hope you grabbed the screed, because it’s gone.

    Someone must have hurt his feelings weely bad.

    • Brad

      No, its still there. URL had a couple of extra spaces in it. Here is the corrected one:
      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/08/st-augustine-asking-the-hard-questions-atheists-dont-ask/

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd JT Eberhard

        God dammit. It’s the second time that has happened. Will just have to start checking all links to Patheos. *grumble*

    • John Horstman

      Man, MumbleMumble managed to tear it up in the comments before they were closed. Awesome. I feel really bad for McDonald, too. I don’t have any direct evidence that my reading is correct, since he refuses to actually discuss his positive reasons for believing Christianity (and Catholicism, and whatever sect of Catholicism he subscribes to specifically) in detail, but his brief personal narrative is heartbreaking in its description of what sounds to me like institutionalized religion preying upon someone with no other support system in a time of crisis.

  • Rowan

    So, his view on theology and faith and god and the bible, is that asking the questions is the point…that you shouldnt care what the book says because it doesnt actually say anything and what it says isnt what it says even when it is. You should probe it for deeper meanings, and when its wrong, its because its supposed to be wrong because then you get to play around with it until you can wedge it into a metaphor for something else so it kinda fits.

    Basically, Christianity should be a bunch of people arguing about how a fight between 2 different comic book characters would go down. Or kids on a playground arguing about how their invisible missile totally didnt hit them because his imaginary robot shot it down with a laser beam, even though the missile definitely had shields.

    • IslandBrewer

      No, the missile totally just missed me because I jumped when you fired, AND I like totally had 12 robots spinning their super shields in front of you, and I secretly turned off your missiles when you weren’t looking!

      See, I can do sophisticated theology!

  • phhht

    If asking questions is the point, I’ll just shut down all questions.
    Who wants to listen to the point?

  • http://faehnri.ch/ eric

    I just read the first few paragraphs. He says atheists can never understand what he’s arguing about, but fails to mention there are atheists that used to be religious and some that likely held the same beliefs he did.

    So you need to already believe to understand it I guess he’s saying. There is an argument form where the validity of the argument depends on the person’s belief of it, it’s true if you already think it’s true. It’s called an assumption, and it’s not a valid form of argument.

    He must think it’s weird how things like science uses facts that lets people come to the same conclusions even if at first they don’t agree.

    JT, you need a hand trashing bad arguments since you can’t possibly tackle them all? I could take a swing. Won’t be as good I’m sure, but I’ll give them what for. I’m ok at tearing apart lame^lame arguments.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd JT Eberhard

      By all means, go apeshit. There’s plenty of that crap for everybody to have a piece.

  • Drakk

    It seems to me like this particular troo krischun is trying very very hard to make the bible not even wrong.

    I mean, that really is what it seems like. It’s not at all possible under his framework to falsify any part of the bible, because the bible just ends up being “right in a different way”.

  • http://www.atlantapolyamory.org/ Jeremy

    I read his post yesterday and it pretty much made my head hurt throughout. I was considering responding until I got to that end and saw that atheist = holocaust denial bit. Not interested in even attempting a dialog with that level of asshat. Also, his whole “I want to talk about atheists without taking any responsibility for defending anything I say” bit is beyond reproach. This guy just makes his own crazy and I don’t want to get anywhere near it.

  • Jasper

    I take it then we have photographs of God/Jesus? We have numerous contemporary independent sources of information for the Biblical accounts of miracles? Either the miracles/god doens’t break the laws of physics, or the holocaust did?

    The more you know!

  • ACN

    I just threw up in my mouth when I got to the holocaust denial part.

    What a piece of human filth.

  • Millotts

    [quote]This is what atheists always fail to understand, and they will never understand it as long as they remain mired in a materialistic mindset: in matters of faith, the questions are the point. [/quote]

    This is what theists always fail to understand, and they will never understand it as long as they remain mired in a theistic mindset: in matters of reality, the evidence for your position is the point.

  • http://www.ziztur.com Christopher Stephens

    Do it. This “your criticism is invalid because you’re taking the Bible at face value even though I take it literally on lots of details” and “I’ll claim that atheism is wrong, but you shouldn’t talk about why my religion is wrong because we should care about the asking of the question more than actually getting correct answers even though I’ll still claim that I’m right” are the worst kind of hand-waving word salad theology.

  • ACN

    Awwww no metaphorical kick-in-the-junk for pompous screeds? :)

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd JT Eberhard

      Still working on it. I’m busy as hell at the moment. Hopefully will have it out tomorrow.

      • ACN

        Gleefully awaiting :)


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