Interview with Katherine Stewart, author of “The Good News Clubs”.

Below is a guest post from Katherine Stewart, author of the book The Good News Clubs, which was instrumental in my work with the SSA.

Katherine Stewart here, author of The Good News Club: The Christian Right’s Stealth Assault on America’s Children. JT invited me to be a guest blogger. He sang for me arias in German, Italian, and French and performed several magic tricks. I had no choice but to agree. So today I’ve decided to interview myself.

What’s wrong with duping five-year-old kids into believing that their public school wants them to believe in a fundamentalist version of evangelical Christianity?

That’s exactly the kind of question I’ve been asked many times by the mainstream press, though they are usually a little more polite about it. So let me tell you the story:

I was an ordinary mom in an ordinary Southern California town. The culture wars seemed far away. I thought the problem was all in Kansas. The only thing we fought over was surfing versus paddle-boarding. Then one day, a group calling itself “The Good News Club” came to my daughter’s public elementary school.

The program described itself as “Bible study” from a “nondenominational” standpoint. But it soon became clear that the real purpose of the group was to convert very young children to a fundamentalist form of Christianity and to get them to try to recruit their “unchurched” peers to the Club.

I started hearing stories from parents around town whose kids went to schools where Good News Clubs had recently been established. I began to realize that Good News Clubs were turning kids into faith-based bullies.

Here’s an example: A six-year-old I know named Zoe was playing in the schoolyard when her classmate Ashley, who had just started attending a Good News Club, said to her, “You are going to hell because you don’t believe in Jesus.”

Zoe objected, saying, “That’s not true.” When the teacher, overhearing the exchange, started explaining that different people believe different things, Ashley was devastated. “How can that be?” she started sobbing. “I know it must be true because I learned it in school, and they don’t teach things in school that aren’t true. How can they lie to us in school?”

This story gets to the heart of the trouble with the Good News Club: I don’t have a problem with children talking about their religion, if any, with their friends at school. But I do have a problem with Ashley believing that her particular religious beliefs are coming from the school.

That perception on Ashley’s part was no accident. Good News Clubs, which are sponsored by an organization called the Child Evangelism Fellowship, are a thinly disguised effort to convert kids as young as kindergarten-age to a fundamentalist form of Christianity by giving them the false but unavoidable impression that the school endorses that particular religion.

Right now there are over 3000 of these Clubs in public elementary schools across the country. At their national conventions, keynote speakers promote creationism, assert that public education without Jesus is satanic, and rail against the so-called “homosexual agenda.” As I did more research, I realized that as problematic as it is, the Good News Club is just one of many dozens of similar initiatives by religious fundamentalists that are intended to infiltrate the public schools and repurpose them with a Christian nationalist agenda. Hey, it’s time for another question!

Don’t you believe in “religious liberty”?

I sure do. But today, we tend to think that religious liberty is the freedom of religion — as in, the freedom of people with certain convictions to impose their unfounded, sometimes pre-modern ideas on everybody else in society. I want more freedom. I want the freedom to send my kids to public school without worrying that they will be fed superstitious doctrines in place of education. And I want the freedom to question and criticize any belief without having to stop for fear of offending someone’s aura of the sacred. These days, when you hear calls for “religious liberty” from the right, what they are usually seeking is expanded privileges for their religion alone.

What about the infiltration of schools by “the gays”?

Seriously, that is what I was asked in an interview this week by a major Christian media outlet. Because we all know that “the homosexuals” are out to convert every five-year-old they can lay their hands on to their “lifestyle choice.” As one of the masterminds behind the legal strategy that made the Good News Club possible, Mat Staver describes the so-called “homosexual agenda” in the title of his book: Same-Sex Marriage: Putting Every Household at Risk. To which I respond: If you can find GLBT groups indeed attempting to deceive five- and six-year old children that the school wants them to join in on that particular “lifestyle choice,” then I will write an investigative book about them just as I did about the many religious fundamentalist groups that unabashedly do exactly that.

So, what is to be done?

Find out what’s going on in your school or the schools in your area. Support whatever initiatives you can that are working to keep church and state separate. Do what you can to make sure that the conservative majority on the Supreme Court doesn’t get any bigger. And for pete’s sake, buy my book!

The Good News Club: The Christian Right’s Stealth Assault on America’s Children (2012, PublicAffairs)

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About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • Bill Krueger

    “And for pete’s sake, buy my book!”

    And so I did.

  • Minneapostate


    Thanks so much for your important work in exposing these wolves in sheep’s clothing. I first became aware of you through PZ, and when I learned that CEF was coming to Minnesota this summer, tipped of Beth at MinnPost. Looks like there are still only 4 chapters in MN, but I imagine they’re still working to set up more. Anyway, I loved your book and also the article you wrote a couple of weeks ago for the Guardian about how these orgs circumvent the laws by using kids to proselytize to their schoolmates. “Student-led and student-initiated” my ass! Parents need to be aware of what’s going on. Here’s the link for those lookiing to learn more….

  • Sanjay

    “I want the freedom to question and criticize any belief without having to stop for fear of offending someone’s aura of the sacred.”
    This is part of what made the misognistic, transphobice and generally regressive element of the athiest community (along with the A+ response) emerge. Our community is commited to questioning sacred ideas so was a natural home for people who questioned the ideas sacred to the modern, progressive, social justice movement.

  • Sanjay

    It is so very important that we stand up for our progressive values and call out these faith based attacks. You are inspiring me to join the PTA.

  • katherine stewart

    Bill, thanks for buying my book! And Minneapostate, I am grateful to you for tipping off Beth at the MinnPost. Unfortunately, a Minneapolis School District has just lost its legal battle against the Good News Clubs. After losing an 8th Circuit ruling, they agreed to settle the case and pay CEF’s lawyers (including Liberty Counsel) $100,000 in attorneys’ fees.
    Inflicting harm on the school district is deliberate. The CEF takes a hostile stance toward public education as a whole because, as Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver said, it does not have “Christ as its foundation.” If they can’t “break down the doors to the public schools,” as Staver has said, they would be happy just to break the schools.

    • Minneapostate

      Yeah, I heard the unfortunate news last night, too. I’d be curious to know if the school consulted legal counsel before removing them from their after-school programs. As much as I detest what they’re doing, Staver and his ilk know their rights, and schools need to know that stepping on them can be very expensive. Now, what the hell can be done to reverse the Milford and Westside SCOTUS decisions? Could we get some moles planted in some of these organizations?