Comment roundup 11/23.

Time for some winning comments throughout the week.  First up is hepzhivah.

I’m not surprised you hate religion … so do I. But I love Jesus … why? Reasons too numerous to mention, not least because He loved me first, warts and all … and guess what – He hates religion too! He IS the great physician, it’s true … He’s our healer … and He sometimes heals in an instant, miraculous way … but He also works with and through earthly doctors … don’t believe the hype, He’s much more about love and grace than rules and regs … check out the New Testament books and see for yourself! Followed by the Old! If you entrust yourself to Him you’ll never be disappointed. Just let Him take over in your life … you’ll find it such a relief, and unlike us human beings he won’t let you down … he understands all our human problems and pains cos he’s been there, done that – including being rejected and ridiculed … in spite of it all he did everything right and He does not condemn us … what he says is ‘come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden light’. (Matt 11:28-30) The truth is in the Word of God … If you will trust Him and believe Him He will never leave you or forsake you … much grace and love to you from Jesus Christ x

You hate religious, but you love Jesus?  Isn’t that a bit like saying you hate meat, but bacon is your favorite food?  You clearly think little of religion, since you try so hard to insist that your personal beliefs about god do not constitute a religion…right before going off on a religious diatribe.

He IS the great physician, it’s true … He’s our healer … and He sometimes heals in an instant, miraculous way … but He also works with and through earthly doctors …

Sorry, you don’t get to steal the credit for what others do and hand it to god.  If I give $5 to a homeless guy, it’s not god working through me, it’s me giving a shit because clearly god wasn’t moved to do so.  Ditto with doctors.  You seem to think that god let people get sick so he could “work through” doctors in an expensive and sometimes painful way (in addition to the pain of the patient’s condition) to make them better.  Why make people sick in the first place?

If we trust doctors, without prayer, to fix our physical ills, people get better.  If we trust prayer and god alone, people die of treatable conditions.  It’s a pretty desperate move to combine what works on its own with what doesn’t work on its own and say that they share the credit.  By your logic, it’s singing in the shower that makes a person clean.

He’s much more about love and grace than rules and regs … check out the New Testament books and see for yourself!

If you ignore the majority of the book where god is pretty much all about rules and regulations, then I guess that claim is true.  Of course, if you ignore traffic, the interstate is a perfectly safe place to play.

If you entrust yourself to Him you’ll never be disappointed.

Empirically denied.  That’s why I’m an atheist now.  Also, ever see the homeless people on the side of the road begging for food with “God bless!” at the bottom of their signs?  How’s that working out for them?

you’ll find it such a relief, and unlike us human beings he won’t let you down

One can only wonder why doctors, farmers, charity drives to save starving children, hurricane detection, and other human-conceived ways to avoid suffering exist…

… he understands all our human problems and pains cos he’s been there, done that – including being rejected and ridiculed …

One would think he’d have enough empathy to give you a good reason to present here, in order to prevent you from being rejected and ridiculed.

… in spite of it all he did everything right

Cancer was a brilliant idea!

and He does not condemn us …

Ah, good.  Then I don’t need to believe in Jesus.  What’s that?  God will condemn me if I don’t?  Hrm…

Oh!  You mean that god won’t condemn us for everything except that.  So murderers who have deathbed conversions and slimy business men who live in opulence while their employees can barely afford Christmas presents, they don’t get condemned as long as they believe something silly.  I, on the other hand, who empathizes with those around me but who finds claims about people rising from the dead ridiculous, whether they’re in the bible or World War Z, my heathen ass can sure get condemned.

Take my yoke upon you and learn from me,

What could I possibly learn from god?  He’s nowhere to be found.  The schematics for telescopes were not in the bible, neither was democracy or the formula for a capitalist/socialist hybrid economy.  Everything I, or any Christian has ever learned, we learned from other people: this includes what believers like yourself have learned about what a few ignorant tribes from thousands of years ago believed about god’s nature.

for I am gentle and humble in heart,

And you’d better not believe in other gods.

and you will find rest for your souls

From a hell I continue to let exist.

For my yoke is easy and my burden light’. (Matt 11:28-30)

10% of my income is less easy than 0% of my income.

The truth is in the Word of God …

Why even defend his word when you can just assert its truth at the outset?

If you will trust Him and believe Him He will never leave you or forsake you …

Homeless people by the side of the road.  Starving children praying until they’re out of breath, even as they die from malnutrition.  Take a moment to look at the world and incorporate it into your beliefs you insensitive clod.

much grace and love to you from Jesus Christ x

I don’t want it.  I want the compassion and reason of mankind.  Left with only the grace and love of Christ, even more children would be dying from god’s negligence.  Your beliefs are silly and embarrassing.  You’re better than this wall of text you left.  If god is so wonderful and won’t condemn you, then he won’t mind being examined.

Next up is Anonymous, who is clearly very proud of his comment.

Evolutionist= people who are ANGRY at God.
Creationist= people who believe in a God who does not have a fault in the sin of humanity because humanity chose it by choice of freedom. Therefore God is only being just as he was before and will always be.

We don’t believe in god, so we’re not angry at him.  However, some of us, like myself, are very angry at people who maintain ignorance of science as a virtue on account of their religious beliefs.

And what’s this about god being just?  Certainly he is not just by human standards (which are the standards people like you use to establish god’s goodness in the first place).  Infinite punishment for the finite crime of thinking?  That’s pretty fucking evil.  Watching kids starve and not lifting a finger?  That’s pretty fucking evil.  And where is the justice in calling for the deaths of anybody working on Saturday (Exodus 35:2)?

Last up is guest, another believer very proud of their argument.

“the school district does not “promote or encourage students to support any religious affiliation.””
but this sentence is correct. It’s not like children have to attend mass first or are being force-baptized. If my child watches Star Wars, they don’t automatically become a Jedi. (or is there a scene were charlie brown says everyone else goes to hell? I might have missed that)
I assume the point is the endorsement of Christianity and as you said that students are exposed (and probably feel left out or worse are ridiculed) if they don’t attend. And that’s wrong.
Why can’t the play happen at a school or the local theater? (yes, there is a christian christmas message in the 50 year old play/film but at the same time Charlie Brown (christmas and thanksgiving) seems to be like a very secular family tradition. Like christmas pudding.

You realize you just said that there is a Christian message in a secular tradition?  The presence of a sectarian religious message, by definition, makes it not secular.  You might as well say that sure we’re at war, but aren’t we a peaceful people?

The play can happen at a local theater, but not at a government building like a public school.  The government is not in the business of spreading a particular religion, nor should it be.  This is especially true of public schools where children should be learning, not being indoctrinated by religion.  Take your kid to the church to see it after school.  Nobody’s saying you can’t.  But taking kids to see it when they should be learning their multiplication tables, or even during recess, is illegal and wrong.

“the school district does not “promote or encourage students to support any religious affiliation.””
but this sentence is correct. It’s not like children have to attend mass first or are being force-baptized. If my child watches Star Wars, they don’t automatically become a Jedi. (or is there a scene were charlie brown says everyone else goes to hell? I might have missed that)

Wow.  You think that busing children to a Christian church during school hours to see a production that tells children that the meaning of Christmas is believing the story that is central to Christianity is not endorsing Christianity?  Are you high?

And who cares if there’s no scene about hell?  Do you really think kids need exposure to even the lousy aspects of a belief set in order for them to be exposed?  Is it not science education if kids are taught about atoms without also told about the holes in Hawking’s blackhole theory?

This is some very, very special pleading you’ve got going on.  It doesn’t fool us and, frankly, I’m amazed you’ve managed to fool yourself with this stuff.

  • Jasper

    Religion is the organized worship of supernatural things. Even if you’re not going to church, you may still be following the Bible, and buying into its doctrine. Thus, you’re participating in an organized worship of something supernatural. You’re just following the official manual of this organization instead of going to group events about it.

    It’s like saying that you’re not a part of the Star Trek audience/market even though you enjoy watching the episodes nightly.

  • Jasper

    That’s actually not a bad point. Shouldn’t this person be busy proselytizing to the church-goers who are tithing? I mean, if all that’s needed is a personal relationship, then clearly these other people are being scammed in the name of God. You’d think that’d piss this person off…. right?

  • Brad1990

    I’m used to all the general idiocy by now, but I still love it when a Christian quotes scripture at me as if they’ve just come up with the best argument ever. Most times it just turns me off more. Take the one from the first of JT’s comments.

    “come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden light’. (Matt 11:28-30)”

    I don’t want to be yoked, thanks; regardless of how heavy the load is. I’m not a fucking ox. And yet Christians seem to think this message will want me to flock to Christ, to be another one of his slavish followers with his ever-so-light yoke on my shoulders. “Come to me, for I will work you slightly less than the other tyrants!”. No thanks.


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