Did you think Mike Huckabee was scraping bottom? You were wrong.

So Mike Huckabee said some really stupid stuff after the Sandy shooting and, rather than apologizing or shutting his mouth to minimize the damage, he’s decided his Olympic-size swimming pool full of bullshit is a perfect place to cultivate red herrings.

The vicious attacks that have resulted, most of all of which are based on total ignorance of what I actually said have actually validated my point, but I’m quite certain that was not the intent of both the professional and amateur critics who have demanded everything from my being banned from ever speaking in public again, or wished me a slow and painful death. On that alone, I wish to acknowledge that the left has again shown that it defines tolerance and diversity as being tolerant only of that with which it agrees, and diverse only to include slight shades of the orthodoxy of liberalism to which they adhere. They abhor censorship of their own profanity, obscenities, or graphic violence, but are the first to demand that a voice that invokes the name of God to be silenced.

There might be a dumbass or two demanding that Huckabee be silenced, but the vast majority are doing no such thing.  What we are saying is that Huckabee’s statements following the shooting were heartless, opportunistic, and wholly wrong.

 I would never say that simply taking prayer and Bible reading from our institutions or silencing Christmas carols is the direct cause of a mass murder. That would be ludicrous and simplistic.

Actually, Mike, you did say that this would not have happened had we not “taken god out of schools”.

Does this guy not realize how video works?

So ok, Huckabee says he would never say that godlessness was the cause of the shooting.  That would be, to use his own word, “ludicrous.”  But…

But the cause and effect we see in the dramatic changes of what our children are capable of is a part of a cultural shift from a God-centered culture to a self-centered culture.

So shifting away from a god-centered culture, y’know, where things like school prayer and more Christianity are present, is part of the cause.

We have glorified uninhibited self-expression and individualism and are shocked that we have a generation of loners.

Yes, because being an individual means also being anti-social or unable to interact positively with others in society.  Best we all try to be just the same so we can have friends.

We have insisted on a society where everyone gets a trophy and no one loses and act surprised that so many kids lack self-esteem and feel like losers.

I don’t grant that such a society has been created, but I also don’t see how kids can feel like losers in a society where, presumably, nobody can lose.  Kind of like saying we’ve created a society without food, so no wonder kids feel fat.

We dismiss the notion of natural law and the notion that there are moral absolutes and seemed amazed when some kids make it their own morality to kill innocent children.

Oh you slimy, heartless man, Mike Huckabee.  In Huckabee’s world, the moment human beings stop believing that god told them to not kill, then murdering children can become an alternative to go-karts for a night of entertainment.  In his world empathy and happy co-existence may be part of the human experience, but for some reason they cannot/do not inform the way we treat others (otherwise, why would we need a god?).  We shouldn’t be kind to each other, and abhor mass murder because we care, but because there is a god who made a rule that says killing is bad.

We may not yet fully realize the perfect way to express our inborn empathy, but that doesn’t mean we are so clueless that we can’t determine that killing others for no reason is a shitty way to do it compared to something like giving them a fruit roll-up.

What’s more, I’m a little skeptical of the guy who says humans are so incapable of approaching morality on our own that we need a god who thinks the innocent can be punished to pardon the guilty and who told us to kill people who work on Saturday to set us straight.  Without that god, how could our kids ever get the idea that killing for superfluous reasons is wrong?

Give me a fucking break.

We diminish and even hold in contempt the natural family of a father and mother creating and then responsibly raising the next generation and then express dismay that kids feel no real connection to their families or even the concept of a family.

Ah, so letting gay people get married now contributes to a man, who was born to straight parents, killing his straight mother, and then killing a bunch of children?  Good to know.  Just a passing concern, Mike, but do you have any evidence for this?  The two seem completely unrelated.  In fact, the science suggests that gay parents raise children who are at least as happy and well-adjusted on average as their straight counterparts, with many studies concluding that the children of gay parents are even more well-adjusted.

Mike Huckabee is looking for any excuse to use this tragedy to bolster every ideological stance he holds.  This is disgusting.

And we don’t teach them there is a Creator God who sets immutable rules, a God who is knowable, and to whom we are ultimately responsible.

Most of the parents in this country teach their children just that.  Of course, they are wrong.  There is not a creator god who sets immutable rules (for indeed, most of god’s rules in the bible have changed).  Nor is such a god knowable – look no further than Christians and their tens of thousands of denominations to confirm this.  It’s a rarity to find two Christians who agree completely on god’s nature, and it’s literally impossible to find any Christian with any evidence that such a god exists.

We are responsible to other humans, and depend on each other to live a happy life.  Almost all human beings understand this, but occasionally there are some who do not.

Instead we teach that God was not involved in our origins, that our very lives are biological happenstances and in fact are disposable should they be inconvenient to us, and that any outrageous behaviors are not sin, but disorders for which we should be excused and accommodated.

Nobody is saying that mass murder should be excused or accommodated you sick fuck.  And nobody who believes that human beings are purely a matter of biology (as all, not some, of the evidence suggests we are) thinks that human beings are disposable due to convenience.  And we certainly don’t think that a school full of dead children should be used as a stepping stool to mount our political high horse, like some deep believers in Jesus.

Just as a reminder, by the way…

I would never say that simply taking prayer andBible reading from our institutions or silencing Christmas carols is the direct cause of a mass murder. That would be ludicrous and simplistic.

Huckabee would never say that taking prayer and bible reading away from public schools caused the shooting (even though he did).  But letting gay people marry and people not believing in god, well that could sure do it!  Huckabee whines about how people in our society want to accommodate people like Lanza, yet it’s Huckabee making excuses for him.  If not for people not believing in god, apparently, Lanza wouldn’t have done this.  It’s really the atheists’ fault (and the gays)!

I realize my viewpoint sounds out-dated and archaic…

Ideas become out-dated and archaic when they would be foolish to believe in the light of all mankind has discovered and learned.  Your viewpoint, Mike, sounds out-dated and archaic because that’s precisely what it is.  It is weapons-grade stupid at best, biblical at worst.

…but when that world view was the foundation of our nation’s social contract..

It wasn’t.  Ever.  Compassion, love, and empathy preceded the bible and, as Huckabee is so eagerly demonstrating, far from making us more compassionate, a deep, unflinching faith often inhibits the best of humankind’s instincts.

…we got in trouble at school for talking in class, chewing gum, pulling a girl’s pigtails, or slouching in our school desks. We took guns to school, to be sure, but they were in the gun racks of our trucks and we used them to hunt before and after school. It never occurred to us to use them to murder our teachers and fellow students.  So yes, I can stand the contempt and criticism of the left. I’ll gladly accept their scorn as they substitute creative language with a steady stream of profanity-laced tirades that I’m an idiot, a throwback to the past, and a person who should be forever silenced. But when we as a nation feared God, we didn’t fear that a 20 year old with a high powered rifle would gun down our children in their schoolrooms.

The idea here is that school shootings didn’t happen in the good old days, when we believed in god more.  That is bullshit.  Absolute bullshit.

What a stupid, heartless, ill-informed, semblance of a human being is Mike Huckabee.  And yet, some people will consider him deserving to be lecturing others on morality, not on the merits of the positively moronic things he has said, but because he shares their myth about people rising from the dead.

And all of them will promise us that when compassion and faith are at odds, that faith, their faith, is the path to a harmonious society.

If Christianity made people morally better, this post would have never been written, because Mike Huckabee, who is full of faith, would be a better person.  As it stands, Huckabee is a wretched human being, and his ability to spread his slime is enabled, not inhibited, by a population full of Christian faith.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • FeminAtheist

    Mike Huckabee’s swipe about “disposable when inconvienent” is a direct assault towards women’s reproductive rights and abortion.

    He’s a misogynistic asshole that preaches that women need to submit to their husbands.

    Just wanted to add that it isn’t just the lack of god and gays, but it is also woman’s fault. It’s the fault of everyone that isn’t white, male, straight, and christian.

    • ScaryWhiteMaleHeterosexual

      Not to put words in your mouth, but not all white, heterosexual males are the bad guys. Saying so is a position similar to that clown, Huckabee. I was fucking born this way. I think dismissive language like that undermines your position, and is, in my opinion, why feminism is failing. Oh yeah, and I’m also an Atheist and a feminist, too. Food for thought: feminism cannot continue to be successful by alienating people, and there’s still a long way to go.

      • Nate Frein

        Way to miss the point.

        Get over yourself. The conversation was not about you.

      • Loqi

        lolwut? Is this a response to anything, or did you just want to feel “persecuted” today?

  • Zi

    This is a person who wanted to and tried to run for President of the US? Truly…

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.madewell Robert Madewell

    Yeah, our former governor is a dickweed. Back then, I still considered myself a Christian and I am so, so, so, sorry that I voted for that bastage! It’s just amazing that they msunderstand what it meant when faculty led prayer was banned from schools. They think that it means that their kids can’t pray in school at all. That is so wrong! Students should still be allowed to pray on their own when it is appropriate and not disruptive. If a faculty member stops your kid from praying, I say sue-effing-sue! Christian, if your kid is not praying in school, it’s not the governments fault. Maybe, you need to teach him to pray on his own at home and at church. Maybe, he’s just realized that prayer is totally ineffective at doing anything other than making yourself feel like your doing something. Either way, that’s not the government’s problem.

  • Sophie

    What’s wrong with this ugly man? He is truly ugly for assuming to “know” what god needs. This god he worships allows little children to be slaughtered because of what….they didn’t pray enough? How does Huckabee know if those kids didn’t pray before bedtime or pray at the dinner table or pray when they were dragged to church every Sunday? I think this man still thinks we live in the Dark Ages, unfortunately though a lot of Americans will believe the shit he spouts. It’s time to put religion back where it belongs, the Dark Ages.

  • Glodsomn

    I will no longer call people assholes.
    From now on, they are Huckabees.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    … who have demanded everything from my being banned from ever speaking in public again, or wished me a slow and painful death.

    I don’t see any reason at all why those choices have to be mutually exclusive.

    • Azkyroth

      *SHOCK*

      *HORROR*

      THIS SHOWS YOU DON’T REALLY CARE ABOUT NONVIOLENCE! WE MUST ALWAYS BE TEMPERATE AND MEEK AND DOORMATTY WITH OUR RHETORIC!

      • Baal

        Azkyroth, you are an an asshole and all caps? really.
        Folks have been hyper-emotional the last few days so I’ve left off my usual reminders to treat folks, even Huckabees, as humans. I am very uncomfortable with the “he should be shot” language. It’s social permission for other forms of violence against those with whom you disagree. It’s not ok. We will not reverse the US culture of violence by using violent rhetoric – even against harm maximizers like Huckabee.

        Would you support prison cells for rapists that are 3 feet x 3 feet x 6 feet tall? If not why not? How do you draw the line for what’s acceptable level of physical and emotional abuse of other people? If it’s just a gut check and those you hate are fair game for whatever, then you are not trying to maximize human flourishing. To you it’s just an us/them tribal war.

        • Baal

          Also to ‘doormatty’ – did you read the other non-violent posts in this comment chain? Huckabee is condemned extremely strongly and without threats of violence to his person. I categorically reject the notion that avoiding violent rhetoric somehow defangs you or makes it impossible to express anger and outrage.

    • Brad1990

      This made me chuckle :)

  • Weaponsofmassdeception

    So can the Governor please explain, if the shooting happened because ‘God was not allowed there’, the godlessness that must have existed in the church where Dr. George Tiller was shot?

    Didn’t think so.

  • Charlie

    Maybe we should try to find the craziest religious right-wing response. Here is my entry:

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/tennessee-pastor-mass-shootings-because-scho

    • pjmaertz

      If this guy were giving his sermon to a bunch of passersby on a crowded city street from atop a soap box, I would still consider him unqualified for his position. The fact that he delivered the speech to an audience that probably mostly agrees with him, and probably comes to church to hear him say similar things just about every Sunday, is disappointing. It is, however, expected, because this is what religion does to people. It replaces compassion with barbarism, and reason with authoritarianism.

      If compulsory Christian prayer were ordered in schools, children would not be any safer. If all unbiblical science were rejected in public schools, children would not be any safer or smarter. There is literally nothing that can be improved by adding more religion, and plenty of things that can be badly harmed.

  • http://mamamara.wordpress.com Mara

    I firmly believe that this is the best proof EVER of the nonexistence of a deity. Because what deity could possibly listen to this man saying these things and this time and not (for example) strike him down with lightning on the spot?

    If I were his god, a sinkhole the exact size of Huckabee would have opened up under his feet the moment he finished speaking and that would have been that. What a piece of work.

    • iknklast

      Of course, the real problem with that is, if you were his god, you wouldn’t exist. Which is why he is allowed to continue his screeds in relative peace.

      No self respecting god would allow this guy to be his follower for very long.

  • Dr. Johnson

    Why are you all so angry?

    How is this for defending Christianity?
    Jesus was the most moral, righteous person to ever grace this planet. None of you look like morality or righteousness (as evidenced by your anger and nasty mouths). Therefore, I’d rather look more like Jesus than you.
    And to paraphrase C.S. Lewis. Jesus considered himself Lord. So, he’s either the Lord, a lunatic, or a liar. If he was a lunatic or a liar, he was not a righteous man or good teacher or anyone worth emulating. But of course, that would be a logical fallacy. We can find no wrong in His life.

    Assistant Professor at a Christian University

    • RobMcCune

      Why are you all so angry?

      Because Christians are ghoulishly using the murder of children to denigrate other worldviews and promote their own. Why aren’t you upset by that?

      How is this for defending Christianity?

      Right off the bat it’s pretty terrible because that is not what the post is about and you people come out of the woodwork to derail threads about the aforementioned exploitation of a tragedy.

      As for liar, lunatic, or lord, it’s a false tricotomy with faulty premises. There is little evidence Jesus existed, let alone any claim about a perfect life, or Jesus claiming to be divine. One has to believe a religious propaganda pamphlet that says all those things are true in order to come to the conclusion that all those things are true. This means that your shoddy reasoning is also circular.

      Try harder, and pick an appropriate venue for your garbage, professor.

    • smrnda

      I don’t think Jesus was really that moral. He basically told the oppressed to suck it up and get ready to take more, and didn’t really bother to address their oppressors. He raised the standards for sexual sin so high that it creates an entire culture of guilt around normal, healthy sexuality and creates expectations for purity that can’t be met, and only lead men and women to be disappointed in each other. He said adultery was grounds for divorce but never discussed abuse within marriage. He made promises that with faith, his followers would move mountains and so far that hasn’t happened.

      Also, what about Legend?

    • Joe

      None of you look like morality or righteousness (as evidenced by your anger and nasty mouths)

      Anger and morality are by no means mutually exclusive. Neither are swearing and morality. Are we supposed to nod along politely to the crap Huckabee is spewing? He is literally saying that secularism and gay marriage (among other things) were directly responsible for the shooting. Of course we are angry, and we are angry because we have morals.

    • Glodsomn

      We can break the trilemma too easily. First, it could just be lies. Jesus didn’t have to exist, or if he did exist, his followers could have easily lied about his life. Second, even if he did exist in that there was a person running around saying those things, that doesn’t mean he was Lord. He could have been delusional and happened to say some okay stuff.

      Why did I say okay stuff? Because he still said some morally reprehensible things, and promised death, suffering and torture for those that don’t believe. Any god that would allow a hell to exist cannot be good. Not if good has any real meaning. He didn’t condemn slavery. He believed much of the horrible nonsense in the Old Testament. There’s some decent humanistic stuff scattered about, but his teachings are not prefect by any stretch of the imagination.

      Finally, Professor, well, fuck. I guess my potty fucking mouth just shows how fucking wrong I am. Shit. If I had known that saying goddamned fucking words like fuck would brand me as im-fucking-moral, I would have fucking stopped and found that motherfucker Jesus. Or I think they are just fucking words, words that have a use in adding emphasis to a piece, or just fun to say. Come on, say motherfucker. It is fun. Live a little. As to the anger, well, I am angry. I am angry that bad things happen in this world for no good reason. I am angry when I see people suffer for their sexuality, their gender, their race, or just being in the wrong place, like the victims of this horrible crime. I am angry that one of the richest and most influential institutions on this planet helps fosters an environment of bigotry, and allowed the systematic rape of children to shield their priests. I am angry that an institution like religion is given a free pass when all it seems to do is take good people and expose them to horrible ideas. And then it normalizes that idea. I am angry that I spent too much of my life bending a fucking knee to fairy tales and superstition, allowing a major driving force of homophobia and misogyny to have my voice supporting it. I’m angry that I can’t get my family to stop because the threat of fucking hell is deeply ingrained. I’m angry that when I am to teach someone about science, I have to fight the nonsense that is Creationism, even if I’m not talking about biology.

      Now, I’m certain that someone will be a tone troll and say “hey, he said fuck, we don’t have to put up with it.” You don’t, but if you are going to imply that because of our anger and nasty mouths make us immoral, then you better bring more than a crappy and outdated trilemma. Besides, I’m sure you chide your fellow angry christians when they complain that their privilege is being eroded and they are now being held accountable by the laws that everyone else already are.

    • Azkyroth

      We can find no wrong in His life.

      On the contrary; I support fig tree rights.

    • Brad1990

      “Jesus was the most moral, righteous person to ever grace this planet.”

      Citation needed.

      “None of you look like morality or righteousness (as evidenced by your anger and nasty mouths).”

      You don’t know what we look like, you don’t know any of us, and what sort of adult judges the character of another by the fact they used a swear word? “Nasty mouths”, seriously?

      “Therefore, I’d rather look more like Jesus than you.”

      So you’d rather look like a hippie? It might take a while to grow your hair that long, but crack on mate.

      “And to paraphrase C.S. Lewis. Jesus considered himself Lord. So, he’s either the Lord, a lunatic, or a liar. ”

      Let’s take that argument at face value; which of those three options do you think is the most probable? Because I can tell you that it’s not the first one.

      “If he was a lunatic or a liar, he was not a righteous man or good teacher or anyone worth emulating.”

      Why on earth not? Just because someone is mad doesn’t mean they can’t have some good ideas. He also may have lied in order to convince others to follow him so as to effect positive change in a backwards society. Or there’s a fourth option everyone seems to ignore; he may have genuinely believed himself to have been the Lord, but have been mistaken. Either way, none of that means that none of his ideas are worth following.

      “We can find no wrong in His life.”

      See literally every other reply to your post.

      “Assistant Professor at a Christian University”

      Well who’d’a thunk it? Am I the only one who thinks that job title is something of an oxymoron?

  • Jasper

    The reason the different versions of “Christianity” aren’t busy slaughtering each other is because they have a common enemy – atheists. Not that I’d expect Huckabee to be aware of that little tidbit of American/World history.

    … No, spellcheck, “Huckabee” isn’t a mispelling of “buckteeth” – but close!

  • John Eberhard

    “Jesus was the most moral, righteous person to ever grace this planet.”..Along with Mithra, Buddha, Mohammed, Odin, Ra, Chalchiuhtlicue….Hell, there’s a whole raft of them and they all have the same proof: faith. What a crock of bullshit swallowed by the gullible.

  • Steve

    I thought individualism was quintessential American….and that rigid conformity is evil communism…

  • Oj

    It’s really stupid to think the way you are thinking about comments from a men that us not an atheist, is really dumb keep trusting in your limited logic versus the reality of God and the prove of Him, you are taking the opportunity to attack a men over his liberty of expression, to bring hate, criticism, and to denigrate him, because you do not agree with his way of thinking that is influenced by Christianity, it sounds like atheism is more about the bad than the good, it really brings out the ignorance of how humanity works and how is influenced by this world; how instead of focusing on this tragedy, you are focusing on this man that do want to bring an explanation of where was God in this tragedy and why He permitted it, what people don’t understand they criticize and what is wrong the called it good and what is good they call bad. There’s always comments from people that do not understand God and who do not know Him, so is better for them not to believe in Him and attack everyone who believes, they want to transmit the hatred and the unbelieve that exist in their hearts, which brings them anger, unhappiness and the feeling of not being important to the rest that believe, but I say to you, no matter what is your situation and the reason why you choose to be an atheist, there’s a way out and there’s true freedom in the believe of God, because He does not only exist and is real, but is the very essence who permits you to have life, and this is revelation from the above, do not try to criticize me for showing you the truth, but think, am I wrong in my way of living?, stop attacking someone because he lives under a different credo than yours and start opening your understanding to greater and deeper things of life, come out of the ignorance where most people take their choices over what the masses think or what I understand in the knowledge of my short life, like the philosopher said ‘I just know that I do not know anything’

    • Glodson

      What?

      • Anonymous

        I’m going to go with “insane ramblings” passed through a Google Translate filter.

      • RuQu

        I’m going to go with “insane ramblings” passed through a Google Translate filter.

        • Glodson

          About halfway through, I just shut down. I left with an uneasy sense that I didn’t even know which side of the fence he falls on.

          • Baal

            I also gave up at half way. I’m sure if we had the FSM’s ability to follow the noodles around the bend and back again, we could make heads and tails of it.

    • Azkyroth

      Weird, I’m not getting any ctrl+f hits for “pie out of goatse man” O.o

    • http://tuibguy.com Mike Haubrich

      Hi, you did note that Mr. Huckabee was not being loving towards people who don’t believe as he does, did you not? He blamed secularists, gays and gun-control advocates for the murder of innocent children and adults; perhaps in my lack of understanding of God I don’t see his compassion.

      Is this what I need “faith” to see? Mike Huckabee’s love for his fellow human beings? My lack of “faith” causes me to see only contempt for non-fundamentalist Christians.

  • Brad1990

    “We have glorified uninhibited self-expression and individualism and are shocked that we have a generation of loners.”

    Fuck you, Huckabee. Just fuck you. Of all the awful logic in his argument, this really got me… possibly because it’s the first time I’ve heard it, whereas I’ve heard the rest countless times.

    Also; “We took guns to school, to be sure, but they were in the gun racks of our trucks and we used them to hunt before and after school.”

    …What?! That’s normal in the US? I imagine only in more rural parts, but still… Seriously?

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  • mojojojo

    Just want to say a big “Thank You” so much for all this feedback. I’m in CT with an 8 yr old. Went to catholic school till 5th grade then continued to attend church til 20. I finally acknowledged hypocrisy and hate in this religion. Now 20 yrs later I see some of my friends on FB totally backing this douche and just get sad that they have drank the koolaid- I keep out of religious things due to my views since many of my friends are followers so its awesome to be able to find this website

  • JTP

    Do we even know if the shooter was an atheist? I mean, Huck, et al., would look even sillier if the guy and/or his mother were christians or religious of other stripes. (And yes, I know this opens up the whole “no real christian” replies, so we can just avoid those, k?)

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