Anti-gay preacher withdraws from the inauguration.

Anti-gay preacher Louie Giglio has withdrawn his acceptance to say the prayer at Obama’s inauguration.  Good.  Sarah Posner says about what I’d say on it.

In it, the pastor essentially places the blame on the gays, saying he is withdrawing because his prayer would “be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration.” Rather than address his previous statements head-on, he merely denies that gay issues have been “in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years.” Giglio also emphasized his friendship with the president (I noted his a previous engagement at the White House here), and that they share a goal of “ending slavery in all its forms,” a reference to Giglio’s work against human trafficking.

Who is Louie Giglio?  He’s this guy.

First, the picture of the laminin molecule is only that, a drawing.  It’s a technical drawing to make the realization of the molecules involved easier to comprehend.  Here‘s what one looks like in actuality.

Even if they did look like just like the technical drawing, so what?  Why was it not the FSM that gave us the very noodley appearance of string theory (a pattern observed in all matter, not just one very small part of it).  Why was it not the dual gods Asha and Druj of Zoroastrianism that gave us the twin strands that make up DNA?

Also, why a cross?  Why doesn’t it look like a sword?  With the pair bonding throughout the “shaft” of the laminin, it looks more like a caduceus to me.  All worship to Hera!

Or maybe…just maybe…this pattern is just what inevitably happens when you have the right combination of matter under the right circumstances, as it does with every other protein in which god didn’t supposedly leave his calling card?   Pareidolia, look it up.

Second, Giglio is dishonest.  The deferment to some nebulous expert or some powerful conversion story, as Giglio does with his molecular biologist (who apparently had no idea that technical layouts of proteins don’t look like the actual proteins themselves), are nothing new.  It’s a popular trick of evangelists, and an easy one to catch (for all of Thunderf00t’s failings, he does get this one right).   It’s what Giglio is doing with his “this came from a microbiologist, so you should believe it too!” bit.  Well, no.  Because even if your microbiologist exists (which seems unlikely, since it would have to be a microbiologist who doesn’t know how technical drawings work), then he’s still not going through the process of getting his work looked at by the experts, and is instead promulgating it in an arena largely absent of expert criticism.

I am far less displeased with the believers parroting this bullshit (and at the time, they sure were) as I am the people like Giglio lying their ass off to spread it.  This is where tons of amateur apologists make their mistake.  It is not that they are being dishonest, it’s that they were duped by somebody who was.

Giglio should be at the bottom of the list to get to stand up and speak at the inauguration of the President.  He’s a dishonest fool who has spread the poison of bigotry to countless other minds.  I’m glad he opposes human trafficking, but that doesn’t unmake those other facts.

And lastly, Obama…why?  Why?  Why?  Why?  You’re out of politics after this election.  You have no need to placate a voting block that’s not ever going to vote for you no matter how you snuggle up to them.  This selection says a lot about Obama.  There is no more political hay to be made for him with this selection.  Giglio was all-but-certainly invited because Obama thinks he’s a stand up guy.  Boo Obama – I was hoping that underneath the politician exterior that you were better than this.

  • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    It was clever of God when He was making the entire universe to make a protein that looks like the torture/execution device His Son would be killed on four thousand years later. Maybe it is a sign! Perhaps His Second Coming will be ended by a torture/execution device that looks like another protein. Maybe this one?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Protein_ACAN_PDB_1tdq.png

  • Charlotte

    I hate to be that person but…the caduceus was the symbol of Hermes (and Iris, the messenger of Hera).

    Completely agree by the way.

  • Patrick

    “He’s a dishonest fool who has spread the poison of bigotry to countless other minds.”

    Really, JT? This entire post just made you look like a dishonest fool spreading the poison of bigotry. If you had done just slightly more research on this topic you would have realized that:
    1. Perceiving a divine mark on something and pointing it out does not make somebody a bigot.
    2. The “anti-gay” comments that he was apparently pressured over look like pretty standard (and actually rather polite) Christian repentance language. He didn’t make any political statements. Nor did he say “all gays go to hell.” He simply said that unrepentant homosexuals – like all other unrepentant sinners – will not inherit the kingdom of God. He even presented himself as a sinner in need of repentance. You’ve gotta admit – that is pretty tame stuff.
    3. Preferring to step out of a public arena rather than cause a ruckus is exactly the opposite thing that someone “who has spread the poison of bigotry to countless other minds” would be likely to do.
    4. He actually does show a picture of what laminin actually looks like during his talks – http://www.gospelinfinity.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/AAA123LamininPhoto1.jpg
    so half of this post is bunk right off the bat.
    5. He does not offer the image of laminin as a reason for non-Christians to accept Christianity as true. Rather, he shows the picture to encourage those that already believe – using the image to demonstrate God’s control even over the minutia of life. Basically he suggests that if God is holding proteins together at this basic level then he is more than capable of holding a person’s life together as well.

    • Loqi

      Good to know that my life can be held together by molecular bonding.

    • sqlrob

      I see a front runner for Comment Roundup.

      • Loqi

        My favorite part is the reverse argument from complexity. God can do something very simple and basic like bond elements together, so of course he can do something insanely complex like manage the interactions of trillions of molecules interacting with one another over a period of many decades. In a similar fashion, I can pick my nose, therefore I’m more than capable of creating wormholes to distant galaxies.

        • Patrick

          Not everything in a sermon is an argument. Sometimes they include anecdotes and encouraging points of interest. His primary audience is a bunch of people that already believe the stuff he has to say. He is just reminding them of what they already believe – in clever and memorable ways.

          • Loqi

            I must have a different standard for “clever.” Saying, “look, this really small thing can be drawn as two intersecting line segments!” doesn’t strike me as particularly clever or profound.

          • Loqi

            And for the record, you phrased it as an argument.
            “Basically he suggests that if God is holding proteins together at this basic level then he is more than capable of holding a person’s life together as well.”
            That’s an argument. A bad one. Saying it’s not intended for a skeptical audience does not excuse it.

    • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Yes. It’s “pretty standard”.

      That’s the problem.

    • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Oh, and as for “perceiving a divine mark doesn’t make him a bigot”, you’re right. It doesn’t make him a bigot. It makes him a joke.

      Because there is no way a complicated shape like two straight bits crossing at right angles could occur without divine intervention! ZOMG IT ID A CROZZ

      • Patrick

        Thank you. I am officially exasperated by the lack of critical and unbiased thought. If you are not going to at least try to understand what I am trying to say then maybe you can come up with something independently that actually warrants a comment and adds to the conversation. Good day.

        • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

          Interesting. So someone unbiased would come to the conclusion “laminin therefore god”?

          It requires critical thinking to accept the assertion “laminin therefore god”?

          I’ll go ask a Muslim and a Hindu if laminin proves Christianity is true. I mean, they’re probably more “unbiased” and “critical” than me since they already accept part of the assumption that deity(/ies) exist(s).

          Laminin looks like a cross in exactly the same way DNA looks like fusilli pasta, therefore Flying Spaghetti Monster.

          • Patrick

            Holy crap man, reread my 5th point! Allow me to quote the first sentence for you so you don’t miss it: “He does not offer the image of laminin as a reason for non-Christians to accept Christianity as true.”

            Good grief. Maybe if you weren’t so busy chasing phantom arguments and acting like you know what you are talking about you would, well, actually know what you are talking about.

          • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

            So I should “critically think” in an “unbiased way” to conclude… What?

            I only said it shows he is a joke. I mean, we all are guilty of reaching for the low hanging fruit when “preaching to the choir”, but that’s some pretty pathetic simpering “thought” going on there. Hey, this molecule looks like a cross. Believers, consider your beliefs validated! Consider your convictions upheld! Believers, you have no fear of looking like an idiot if this ends up on, say, YouTube! Praise God, because He gave us this replica of the torture/execution device that killed His son!

            Finding shapes is fun. Finding meanings in shapes is human. Proudly declaring it and thinking it profound is childish.

          • Patrick

            Wow… you are just messing with me, aren’t you? Now I have to quote the rest of my 5th point in order for you to actually consider it? “Rather, he shows the picture to encourage those that already believe – using the image to demonstrate God’s control even over the minutia of life. Basically he suggests that if God is holding proteins together at this basic level then he is more than capable of holding a person’s life together as well.”

            He doesn’t use laminin as a way of validating Christianity or arguing in its favor at all. He points it out as an interesting way of illustrating “Hey man, I know your life sucks right now, but God’s got everything under control. In fact, He is the one personally holding your molecules together! Check out this neat pic…” Its an illustration, not an argument. Go bark up some other tree. Sheesh.

    • Glodson

      1. That isn’t what makes him a bigot. It marks him as either gullible or a liar. JT made a great suggestion in looking up Pareidolia, do it.

      2. Oh, he is politely saying that one’s innate sexuality is sinful producing a feeling of guilt in gay Christians who are trying to deal with their sexual attraction? That makes it so much better and doesn’t contribute to the othering of gays at all and can be in no way bigotry.

      3. Don’t care.

      4. Pareidolia, it isn’t your friend. It is amazing how that picture doesn’t look like the others I have seen. One might think he is looking for any confrimation of God and found it in a molecule that humanity couldn’t even picture until recently. What a confirmation of faith! Which I was always told was enouh of a reason to believe.

      5. Oh, so he’s telling this misinformation to believers, boosting their belief with nonsense? That makes it alright then.

      Really, the biggest lie he tells is to himself. He is looking for a reason to believe and grasps at straws to find it. A molecule that could possibly look like a cross is proof of an all-powerful god? Of a particular god? He lies to himself, and then to others. All to cling to an unneeded and toxic faith. The same goes for his statement that being gay is a sin. You lie to yourself saying that isn’t a bigoted statement. According to your magic book, the wages of sin is death. By saying that being gay is a sin, you are saying that the unrepentant gay man is going to hell. This is part of the problem, the crux of justification of bigotry towards gay people.

      He knows this. And his opting out is a dodge. He doesn’t want to jump in on this as he can either take the side of bigotry or be labeled an apostate.

    • PeterN

      The molecule changes shape (as all such do), so sometimes – but only sometimes – has the vaguely cross-like arrangement; perhaps this shows that the gods get distracted sometimes, and forget to hold your molecules together?

    • Brad1990

      “He does not offer the image of laminin as a reason for non-Christians to accept Christianity as true. Rather, he shows the picture to encourage those that already believe – using the image to demonstrate God’s control even over the minutia of life.”

      Good theory Patrick, except what Giglio doesn’t realise is that he’s looking at it upside down. It was actually the Devil who is responsible for the shape of the Laminin molecule.

      All hail Satan the Lightbringer! King of Atheists and Lord of the Laminin!

  • http://www.godlessteens.com Godless Teen

    I saw the word “lamnin” and the first thing I thought was

    “Oh geez, it’s this lunatic again.”

  • Mark

    Apparently, the last time Giglio made a public statement about homosexuality was 15-20 years ago. Forget his recent efforts to battle human trafficking, forgiveness is far too over-rated for the liberal. What was Giglio’s unforgivable statement?

    “We’ve got to say to the homosexuals, the same thing that I
    say to you and that you would say to me … It’s not easy to change, but it’s possible to change,”

    http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/01/10/the-giglio-imbroglio-the-public-inauguration-of-a-new-moral-mccarthyism/

    • Steve

      His nonpology confirmed that he still thinks exactly the same.

      And if he is against human trafficking, he is clearly not following God’s word as it is unerringly written in the Bible.

    • Glodson

      That is a load of crap. He is sticking with being gay is sinful, he’s just being nice about it. Telling gay people that their problems with being gay will be over if they just stop being gay is a part of that whole myth that being gay is a choice. He didn’t say he was wrong, he just tried to be nice.

      Yes, fighting against human trafficing is great and I really like that. But that doesn’t excuse the bigotry. He seems like a good person overall. Too bad about that corrupting influence of christianity.

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