For being Truth with a capital T, it can be awfully hard.

My dad’s facebook status today was…

I wish you folks would come out and say it: “My religious beliefs are that human life is sacred and god-given, and that protecting fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses is a must because they have souls, and therefore women must be forced to carry these entities to term, and raise and nurture them, because my religion says a woman’s personal liberty and right to control her uterus is subservient to my religious beliefs.”

And he’s spot on.  It’s hard to hear someone say that they are so proud of their religious beliefs, and then be so eager to skirt around them, and still think that person isn’t above lying.

  • http://www.aramink.com Anne

    John Eberhard rocks.
    Just sayin’.

  • http://mrtact.com/blog Tim Keating

    But if they said that, then to reiterate something pointed out by Libby Anne, how can they ignore the fact that some 50% of fertilized eggs just fail to implant? If that’s really what they believe, this is the greatest medical tragedy in human history, and they are just ignoring it.

    • Loqi

      I don’t think that will be a problem for them. They think a fetus is a person and abortion is murder, and they already basically ignore it (sure, maybe they put on a bumper sticker and vote for Rick Santorum, but that’s it). Let’s take a scenario that, in the anti-choicer mind, is equivalent. A man walks into my apartment building and starts killing people. Assuming I had the means and opportunity, I would go as far as killing the assailant to stop the massacre. Everyone I’ve ever talked to says they would as well. But there’s only a tiny number of people who kill doctors who perform abortions (at least compared to the number of anti-choicers out there. Obviously, even a tiny amount is too many). So why the disparity? If they actually believe that abortion is murder, and they already say that they would kill to stop a massacre, why aren’t they doing anything? As far as I’m concerned, the only people who actually believe abortion is murder and care about it are in prison for murder right now.

  • Glodson

    That is brutal. That is harsh. And that is spot on.

    Your dad cuts right to the heart of the matter. Not only is that her uterus that should be subservient to their religion, the women with troubled pregnancies that might die because of the pregnancy should be expected to die for their religion as well.

  • Azkyroth

    More to the point, why is it ONLY uteruses? Why don’t they push for making blood donation mandatory for all eligible people, if they’re really so concerned about saving lives? Or, hell, kidney donation?

    Because that might affect men and sister-punishing Not-A-Sluts, too?

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ M

      Well, bodily autonomy only matters for men because we all know men are the only real people. Women are communal property whose job is to make more real people (sons) and who must therefore be controlled, lest they start getting uppity about trying to overturn this God-given role.

      I’m going to go gag now and possibly go dip my fingers in bleach to clean them off. That was vile to type even in sarcastic mode.

      • Loqi

        Might want to replace your keyboard and format your hard drive as well, just to be on the safe side. That sort of thing can give you nightmares.

    • baal

      The goal is to make as many souls* as possible. Every other consideration is secondary.

      *This notion of ensoulment at fertilization is a relatively new concept. The bible and most of history until about 40 years ago was that the soul showed up at birth (which nicely matches historical law and again, the bible).

    • Glodson

      Not our precious bodily fluids!

  • otrame

    JT, does your Dad know that every time you post something he’s written a whole bunch of us start fantasizing about him? It wouldn’t surprise me if there was fan fic out there about your Dad.

    Just saying.

    • Amyc

      You just rule 34′d JT’s dad.

  • Beutelratti

    That’s because every woman secretly longs to have her god-given uterus filled with god-given babies that she will sure learn to love because they’ve totally only been forced on her because of her god-given love for all things baby. You just watch.

  • Beutelratti

    Also, if god didn’t want so many women to abort their pregnancies, why did he curse Eve and with her all women ever to be born (the idiocy, d’oh!) to go through excruciating pain during their pregnancies knowing very well (you know, being omniscient and all) that a lot of women would want to end their pregnancies BECAUSE of the excruciating pain he has inflicted on them? Huh? Huh?

    Oh, wait, I know, I know!!! God is testing the women’s faith! They have to endure hardship so that they’ll eventually be rewarded with children that they might learn to love but most likely won’t be able to support! Genius!

  • Anonymous

    “a woman’s personal liberty and right to control her uterus”
    Which amendment is that?

    • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Because America – Land of the Free – is where you need a Consitutional Amendment to control your own body. Shut up and hold still for the surgery, citizen.

    • Jeremy Shaffer

      Basically, The Ninth Amendment.

      • baal

        I’d also cite the 4th “right to be secure in your persons” (though this phrase is generally ignored”. 5th/14th amendment due process rights – these amendments mean that the State cannot do whatever it wants to you but must have substantive and procedural due process.
        As Zinc A mentions, if a women doesn’t have a right to control her uterus, then you don’t have a right to control your liver, kidneys or blood. All three could be transplanted to another person without killing you. Really, it’s hard to imagine an even remotely free country where the gov has a right to dictate what happens to your body without a proceeding and some standard set of rules.

    • Glodson

      Roe v Wade was decided based on the idea of a right to privacy that extends to a woman’s body based off the reading of the 14th Amendment.

      Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

      Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

      Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
      Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

      Further, as Zinc mentions, we have the 9th Amendment. It reads as follows:

      The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

      Either one can serve as a basis for the Right to Privacy. Some could even argue that through several other amendments, like the 4th and 5th amendments, that there is a right to privacy as implied by those, which would be incorporated to the state level after the idea of incorporation due to the reading of the 14th amendment.

      Until Roe v Wade is overturned, the right to abortion exists as a part of constitutional law, as does our right to privacy. This establishes the jurisprudential precedent which is used to test the legality of laws limiting abortion rights.


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