Liberty Counsel goons on gay scout masters.

Oh, those Liberty Counsel peeps.  They think that allowing gay scout masters in the BSA (mmmmMMMMmmm…masters) is akin to letting convicted pedophile Jerry Sandusky be a scout master.

As Staver said, “it makes no sense to have a Jerry Sandusky as your scout master and essentially that’s what this policy would open up the doors to” while Barber asserted that gay activists are demanding access to your children, so “what father in his right mind” would let his son join the scouts if he knew that a gay man was serving as scout leader, especially since all gay men define themselves by the fact that they “sexually crave sex with other males” because they are “hyper-sexual”:

Some bigots can try, feebly, to hide behind “Hey, I know a gay guy.”  These two clearly don’t even know an out homosexual.  I can’t say I’m surprised – who would want to be out around these two assholes who will immediately look past every other virtue you hold to hate you for who you love?

The painfully obvious reason the comparison fails is because Jerry Sandusky is a child molester.  That’s why the BSA strives to keep child molesters (whether they’re gay or straight) out.  Gay =/= child molester.

Mat Staver and Matt Barber discussed the decisions by the Boy Scouts to delay the vote on lifting the ban on gay scouts and scout leaders as they wondered what the organization could even be thinking by contemplating such a change, saying there is no way that boy scouts can remain “morally straight” if “you have adults modeling for children what every major world religion and thousands of years of history have held to be immoral behavior.”

Easy answer: being LGBT isn’t immoral.  That’s how they can remain “morally straight.”  You know a quick way to being morally twisted?  Hating somebody not for any iota of malice rumbling around their skull, but for who they choose to love.

  • sqlrob

    The gay = pedophile assumption in bigots appears to be fairly common. Is there any study on why this is the case?

    • Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Because it’s easier to argue against an outrageous lie than it is to argue against the harmless truth.

      Also, it’s a very low jump from “gay sex is icky” to “pedophiles are reprehensible” for those who would rather use gut reaction and ignorance than brains and actual facts.

    • John Horstman

      More projection?

      • Andrew Kohler

        Looks like you beat me to making that exact point by about fives minutes! ;-) Quite alright, though: the gruesome workings of the rabidly anti-gay mind should be pointed out as often as possible.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ M

      If you read Love, Joy, Feminism by Libby Anne (also on the Patheos Atheist channel), she does a great job explaining it in her analogy of two boxes. Basically, religious extremists put sex into two categories: Biblical sex (married straight) and non-Biblical (everything else). Humanists split up sex differently, into consensual and non-consensual. So when humanists go “gay sex is consensual, how could you possibly see pedophilia as being at all related?”, religious ones see “you reached into the non-Biblical box, so why not let all non-Biblical sex be ok?”.

    • Brad1990

      Because they lump everything that is not sexually “normal” (in the sense that the majority do it) into one big category and assume that if you’re into one, you’re into all of them. They do what all Xians do with everything, lump everything into categories of “Godly” and “Sin” and think further about it than that.

    • baal

      hrm – I’ve never seen a study on why the right wing authoritarians like to pair (thing they don’t like) with (bad thing) and then they repeat ad naseum. I’ve seen studies that show most child molesters (any sex or gender of child) are christian heterosexual males and that gays aren’t more likely molesters than anyone else.

  • Glodson

    I expected something stupid. I didn’t expect it to be this vile. I cannot people believe this bullshit.

    Homosexuality and pedophilia are different. We’ve got evidence for that. Fuck, all one needs to know is that sex between adults is not the same as molestation. It is like saying that I shouldn’t be allowed to be active in Girl Scouts because I’m a heterosexual male. That’s just stupid.

    And it isn’t just that sexual orientation isn’t linked to morality. It is also that sexual orientation isn’t fucking taught. Goddamn, this is some fearmongering bullshit.

    • sqlrob

      This seems to be SOP for most of these orgs. Why are you that surprised?

      And OT: Why Raz as your avatar? Any particular reason?

      • Glodson

        I just can’t believe they go back to that. The whole gay=pedophile thing is easily debunked. Hell, most people know other gay people, as we’re making it slightly easier to come out(relative to the more recent past), as such, these demonization tactics will run up against people’s experiences. This will sap the credibility of a group like this, credibility they need from their base in order to prop up other shitty arguments. They don’t seem to be aware of this, I guess.

        No real reason, other than I like the game and the character. It was that, or Ratchet.

        • sqlrob

          It’s a good game, other than that (*@&#$*(&@ Meat Circus. Never did make it past that on either of my playthroughs.

          Just finished a playthrough of Ratchet 1-3 recently too :D. Now working on Sly 4. Good game, although it seems like it’s going to be fairly short.

          • Glodson

            It takes some doing, but it is worth it. I’ve done it twice, once just to beat it and the other time to see the special ending for getting everything.

            I love Sly. My daughter and I sometimes play the Sly Collection. I want to get the Ratchet Collection, I just haven’t been able to afford it. She really loves the Jak Collection, a great bunch og games, even though she’s into Ni No Kuni right now.

    • Brad1990

      I once tried explaining it like this:

      “The issue is consent and harm. Two consenting adults can do whatever they damn well please in the privacy of their own home; they’re not hurting anyone else so it is their own damn business. Paedophilia, on the other hand, is by definition a sexual prediliction for pre-pubescent children. Since puberty is the hormonal change which indicates you are ready to procreate, a pre-pubescent child is by definition not ready for sex and not interested in sex, and the nature of our society means that many do not even fully understand what sex is. Therefore anytime a paedophile acts on their desires it will necessarily involve some level of coercion, deception or force and so is clearly morally wrong. That is the distinction”.

      In fairness, he let me finish before declaring I was talking bullshit and flouncing off, but I think I lost him somewhere around “procreate”.

      *sigh*. Ever feel like you’re fighting a losing battle?

  • Andrew Kohler

    As someone (sorry, can’t remember who) pointed out during the epic debate with Alessandra a couple weeks back (the post has a title like “Not impressed with the BSA”; see also the following comment round-up), Jerry Sandusky *was married to a woman.* So, the gay ban wouldn’t have kept him out of anything (a point which Alessandra repeatedly refused to concede, instead insisting that gay bans are the best solution).

    I think the dumbest thing they say is that heterosexuals don’t define themselves by their sexual acts but gay men are TOTALLY defined by this, and are thus “hyper-sexual.” Ummm…? There just so, so very much wrong with that statement that one is not quite sure where to begin. Most gay people would be happy to keep their sex lives private, but whenever gay rights come up the right wing immediately starts talking about “homosexual acts” etc. There were laws against such “acts” (and also laws specifying which acts were okay for heterosexuals). People are denied the right to marry the person of their choice or to serve in certain positions (like, I dunno, the BSA, and until recently the military) because of the sex acts that they are presumed to have. People who are fired for being LGBT have no legal recourse in most states (not sure how many at the moment, but I believe it’s still over half for the LGB and even more for the T). If people like Mat and Matt (really?) weren’t so fixated on the particulars of dudes having sex with each other, maybe they wouldn’t in turn project that bizarre fixation onto gay people: it is they who think that gay people are only defined by sexual acts, because it’s all they can think about. I wonder if they know the word “prurient.”

    And one of these guys has scouting age children? How unfortunate that they will be raised surrounded by hatefulness :-(

    • Glodson

      That’s something that always bothers me. I know that around half the country has outright rejected the notion that being gay is bad. I base this on the polls for support of gay marriage. The remaining half seems have a spectrum, from “I think being gay is wrong” to this bullshit we see here.

      And while sexuality seems to be based on genetics, at least in large part based on twins studies, the attitudes towards sexuality are taught.


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