Super Bowl open thread.

So there’s going to be some commercials on TV later today.  You guys can talk about them here.

I imagine I’ll have it up on my other monitor while I spend the day lounging about (maybe playing some League of Legends with my brother, I just discovered Caitlyn and she rocks face).  I’m rooting for the 49ers almost entirely because I can’t stand Ray Lewis.

However, if I had to pick a winner, I think the Ravens take it by 7.  I’d love to be wrong though.  :)

  • Glodson

    Am I the only one that thought that Ray Lewis stabbed a man with deer antlers when the story broke on media day?

  • unbound

    More important than the super bowl, Puppy Bowl IX starts at 3:00 pm EST. Kitten halftime show is pretty good too.

  • http://raisinghellions.wordpress.com/ Lou Doench

    I can’t stand Ray Lewis either, but I like Ed Reed and Joe Flacco.

  • Lyfa

    Just a shoutout to Caitlyn awesomeness. I hope you’ve gotten to the habbit to bush checking with traps, and using them as proper stuns, as well as noticed that you can go over narrow wall with the 90-cal net?

  • katb

    This is way off topic. BUT, JT, I don’t know where else to ask you this question, please forgive me for posting it in this location.

    Is it not bigoted to say “fighting religion tooth and nail” on your blog?

    I’ve believed in God my entire life, for as long as I can remember. I just did. I think I was born this way. It is how I have always been. Is it not bigoted for you to fight against what I have always been and always will be?

    • Anat

      You seriously believe there was no single day in your life you did not believe in your god? When you were an infant you had no idea what a god could possibly be, you had no concept for that. You were probably raised among people who believed in some god and you learned their beliefs, just as you learned their language. You probably don’t remember your first utterance of ‘god’ just like you don’t remember your first utterance of ‘daddy’.

      Anyway, if religious beliefs, religious organizations and religious systems have very negative impacts on the society within which JT lives shouldn’t he be fighting them?

      • katb

        I honestly can never remember not knowing that God existed. From my earliest memories, all in my own mind, I knew that God existed.

        I don’t see any negative impacts on society from Christian beliefs.

        • AJ

          “I don’t see any negative impacts on society from Christian beliefs.”

          Because whole swaths of people without equality is not a negative impact. Because removing a woman’s right to bodily autonomy is not a negative impact on society.

          • katb

            Christianity doesn’t persecute anyone. Autonomy? Shouldn’t the unborn have autonomy over their body also? I think that we all should have autonomy over our own bodies, everyone including the unborn.

          • Kodie

            It’s super that you want to start right in with the talking points, but you sound ignorant about the harms of your own religion against other people and why it matters. Why are you suddenly interested in bringing this up right now? If you just found JT’s blog and you were offended by his banner, why don’t you write him a letter so we can read a thread all about you tomorrow.

            Just being rude to comment off-topic to complain about how persecuted and offended you are, ignorant to boot, and just picking a fight off-topic for the sake of being a right asshole? I’d say all I know about you, your religion is making you an asshole right now.

          • Nate Frein

            Christianity doesn’t persecute anyone? I mean, sure, that’s technically true. Christianity as an abstract set of beliefs can’t harm anyone. But by that token, neither does Communism.

            Now, the real question is, do people use the teachings of Christianity to excuse te persecution of other people? And the answer to that would be an unqualified yes.

          • katb

            People will use anything available to persecute others, including atheism (Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.)

          • Nate Frein

            *bzzzt* Wrong.

            Stalin and Pol Pot did not “use” atheism to justify what they did. Atheism has never been used to justify persecution.

          • katb

            Their atheism gave them the justification needed to persecute.

          • Nate Frein

            [citation needed]

          • Loqi

            Christianity doesn’t persecute anyone.

            I’m sure the victims of the Spanish Inquisition will be happy to hear that. And the gays. And Muslims. And atheists. And blacks. And Jews. And…

          • Loqi

            I think that we all should have autonomy over our own bodies, everyone including the unborn.

            Even if I accept the idea that a fetus has the same rights as a person (which I don’t), where is the bodily autonomy of the fetus being violated? It has no rights over the mother’s body. So removing it from her body in no way violates the autonomy of the fetus. If the fetus can’t live outside someone’s body, tough shit. No rights were violated.

          • sqlrob

            You believe a fetus should have autonomy even when your precious book says otherwise?

            Killing a fetus by harming the mother is only a property crime in your book, not murder. Plus, your book says it’s not even alive until after the first breath.

            Now, justify your position without contradicting your book.

          • baal

            I said to my wife yesterday (Sunday), “I hear the super bowl is today.” She pulled up her FB to show me the same grumpy cat JT used above :) .

            @ katb – I assume you’re new to JT’s blog. We get some number of pro-religion stopping by now and then and you managed to hit several buttons.
            1. The majority of commentors here are replete with stories of how religion has harmed them or their families directly. Your generic comment to the contrary sounds like you’re rejecting that they suffered hardship when they in fact did. This make you look like a monster (yes even though you didn’t know)
            2. The concept of a “derail”. This is a post on the superbowl. Your comment should have something (nearly anything!) to do with the superbowl and your comments don’t. JT regularly has posts on ‘offensive things religious folks say’. Your comments would fit into that topic or you could use that type of post to defend your views. As kodie suggested above, you could send JT and email directly (he’d likely ignore it since he gets a bazillion of them daily but at least it’s a better route).
            3. Generic comments / painting with a broad brush. “There is tons of historical evidence. Good night.”
            Again, we have heard about every generic comment repeatedly. While it may be new for you to make these points, we have heard it. Try to be more specific in future comments.

    • Kodie

      You don’t question what you believe? You don’t even question how deeply it’s inside you because of how thoroughly and early you must have been trained not to think any other way? It’s not bigotry to fight against the damaging effects of religious beliefs, the behaviors literally defended by the right to have a fear of words in a magical book and an invisible admonisher. I don’t know anything about you, but you are basically asking for special treatment based on what you believe. In the US you have the right to believe – that means the government does not force you to believe it or force you not to believe it. The rest of us are allowed to criticize or challenge your thoughts as you express them or act upon them if they are either insisting laws have to be arranged so they are favorable to you and your beliefs, or if they hurt other people or groups of people. You should check out what religious people do with their thoughts before you assume they are being criticized and challenged just to give them a hard time.

      • katb

        I have studied other religions and belief systems, and found traditional Christianity to be the only true religion, based on historical evidence. It is also the only religion that makes sense of the world as it is. But my belief in God came way before that. I just always knew that God existed. I don’t see any damaging effect from traditional Christian beliefs. And I do think many who criticize religion are bigoted.

        • Kodie

          I don’t really care. This is a football thread.

        • Randomfactor

          “found traditional Christianity to be the only true religion,”
          Wow. What are the odds it would be the religion that was inculcated in you BEFORE you had the ability to think critically?

          • katb

            I always knew there was a God. It was later that I studied different religions and found Christianity to be true.
            Why is so hard to accept that? Can you not be tolerant of another persons beliefs?

          • Kodie

            It would be easier if you kept your business out of other people’s business. If you insist on making this whole thread about your problems, I would say just knowing that about you, why do you deserve to be tolerated?

          • Loqi

            Isn’t it always wonderful that the religion that people were taught as children always turns out to be the real one? What are the odds? Out of the thousands of religions, katb just happened to have been born into the right one. How supremely lucky.

        • sqlrob

          Historical evidence? There isn’t any. There’s no independent account of Jesus.

          There is historical evidence of the Oracles having visions at Delphi. Are you going to convert? If not, why not?

          We have an early front runner for comment roundup.

          • katb

            There is tons of historical evidence. Good night.

          • sqlrob

            Oh? Care to cite any that hasn’t already been discredited?

          • unbound

            I wait in breathless anticipation of katb providing citations that haven’t been discredited…not. Just like she wasn’t willing to answer the Oracles of Delphi question.

            Similarly, she didn’t seem to understand the inherent conflict with her question about autonomy of the fetus vs the autonomy of the woman. I’ll be impressed when people like katb demonstrate an understanding that this is an extremely difficult question to resolve instead of instantly assuming the fetus wins every time.

        • Kodie

          You just criticized every other religious belief, ya hypocrite.

      • katb

        Kodie you are not very open minded.

        • sqlrob

          There is a difference between open minded and gullible. You’ve already admitted to the latter.

        • Kodie

          I was open minded and then I came to a different conclusion than you – you seem to be the close-minded one here. The evidence for god is non-existent and the product of wishful thinking. I don’t think that’s an admirable quality.

        • Kodie

          I wonder why you rejected all the other religions compared to yours. I mean without any religious belief to start with, not a single one is compelling. You already had your mind made up before you could remember. You easily reject beliefs that aren’t yours because you obviously recognize how compelling they are NOT. You calling me close-minded because I think your religious beliefs (not even knowing specifically what they are) are not compelling; I have listened, I have learned what it is about, and I do not find the evidence historically accurate or even probable or in some cases even possible. You just came here to blame the mean atheists for hating your religion and who has the closed mind again? The person who was born(?) with their confirmation bias intact well enough to determine that their religion is real compared to all the other bullshit religions you conclude are fake.

          If you have any evidence I’ve never heard before – keep in mind a lot of theists pass through and whatever they think is the zinger, the hardest hitting argument they have, is reliably in the category of “you’re joking, right?” If you want to step up on stage and do the little dance, go ahead, do the gullibility dance for us.

          • Kodie

            Besides rejecting other religions, it doesn’t seem very much like you opened your mind up to the possibility of there being no god or that everything you were taught was not true.

            You are just name-calling to build up your persecution complex. Those mean atheists won’t let you harm whomever pleases you to harm, and you’re oblivious to the harm of religions under the pretense of you have the religious freedom to intrude on the lives of anyone you think goes against god – no, you do not have the right to go that far with your actions. We do have the right to reject your religious beliefs and point out where beliefs become actions that cause harm to others. None of that takes away your right to believe it’s true, either. Your beliefs are not protected from criticism or challenge from ordinary people posting on a blog.

    • Drakk

      >> This is way off topic. BUT, JT, I don’t know where else to ask you this question, please forgive me for posting it in this location.

      The man does have an email.

      >> Is it not bigoted to say “fighting religion tooth and nail” on your blog?

      ‘course not. “Religion” isn’t a person or a group of people, see? The statement refers to fighting against religious ideas, not people.

      >> I’ve believed in God my entire life, for as long as I can remember. I just did. I think I was born this way. It is how I have always been.

      You probably haven’t, and you probably weren’t. People aren’t born with anything resembling higher thought. I’ll allow “as long as I can remember” since you were probably indoctrinated from a very young age.

      >> Is it not bigoted for you to fight against what I have always been and always will be?

      This statement rings ironic given your other statements about open-mindedness. Besides, we’re not fighting against you, we’re fighting against ideas.

    • Brad1990

      No, because you’re wrong. Also, belief in God Religion. Religion is belief in a specific version of a God/Gods as well as all the associated mythology/dogma/rituals. Mere belief in God does not qualify as religion.

  • katb

    And I apologize again as it says “tooth and claw” not “tooth and nail”.

  • katb

    And I apologize again as it says “tooth and claw” not “tooth and nail”.

  • AJ

    Having no horse in this particular race, the commercials are not great this year, for all the money they are spending.

    • Kodie

      The GoDaddy ad seems like the only one worth the money so far for an over-the-top concept. Some of the other ones are clever but not high-caliber hype-worthy. Also makes me wonder why the ads thing is such a big deal – I think the Super Bowl has for a long time been a showcase for new ad campaigns that really grab you (because it’s the most-watched) but even when there were the famous ads that started the trend, still only a few commercials stood out no matter what year it is. The only difference is the years go by and people expect better, and I get the sense they are appeased by mediocrity for the most part. They will all hate the GoDaddy one, but that’s the one that really went there.

      • AJ

        Which GoDaddy ad? Because I missed the first one but a couple people in my Facebook news feed who keep track of these things did not like that one. It seemed to say that pretty girls couldn’t be web designers? I wish I had seen it so I could give an informed view.

        And to be honest, the M&M one (Meatloaf’s Anything for Love) is the only one I actually like so far. Even up to the end of halftime.

        • Kodie

          Oh yeah I did like the M&M one. The GoDaddy ad had the classic meeting of beauty and brains illustrated by a hot model making out with a non-hot nerd, and then they made out for about a minute as the camera gave a close-up. It was kind of an uncomfortable minute, while most people watching will think it’s bad because they don’t seem to go together, I just think it’s hard to watch any two people kiss that long without wanting to look away. It’s bad because it puts down nerds or equates them with unattractive people, it says that hot people should be vain and shallow, well she did kiss they guy so the ad doesn’t say it, it is just the reaction. And I guess that it’s impossible for brains and beauty to exist in the same person. It’s a talk-about ad, that’s what we expect out of super bowl ads.

          I liked the M&M one because he, unlike Meat Loaf, said explicitly what he won’t do for love, which is all the ways people love to use M&Ms.

          Anyway, nice power outage. What?

          • AJ

            “Anyway, nice power outage. What?”

            I will repeat my Facebook status update: WTF?

            A billion people worldwide watch this transmission and New Orleans screws up the lighting? This is just bizarre.

  • corynthian

    A power surge, huh? Maybe God isn’t a Ravens fan after all.

    • Kodie

      I think he just got really excited. 109 yards!

      • corynthian

        Yeah, maybe that’s just what happens when you try to high-five Jesus and miss!

    • Mare Lacrimarum

      I think that Beyonce’s (sp?) holograms had something to do with the power outage…

    • Glodson

      I think that God was just trying to hit the over/under on points, so he caused that.

      I’m a firm believer that if there is a God who takes parts in games like this, he’s a notorious sports gambler who often fixes games. He’s just really bad at it and he just needs 10% of our income and will totally pay us back when he hits really big, he swears.

  • sqlrob

    My wife has been forwarding me some of the commercials. Man, that Dorito one is screwed up.

  • Mare Lacrimarum

    What did everyone think of the $cientology ad? I think it’s hilarious they are going after the OWS crowd.

  • AJ

    Am I the only one who was annoyed about the Dodge Ram Truck ad? “God created farmers. God created farmers. God created farmers. God created farmers. A truck for the farmer in all of us.” I was told on Facebook I was trying too hard to be offended when I mused that Chrysler was saying “Fuck you” to the nones.

    • Stogoe

      That was a truck commercial? I was switching between watching the Ravens screw up the second half and the Puppy Bowl and flipped back to the Puppy Bowl in the middle of Paul Harvey’s farmer-worship.

      • Kodie

        Thank you, I couldn’t figure out the voice, I knew I recognized it!

        Yeah, I was more annoyed that probably touched a lot of people. Then it was all cheap and stuff. Farmers work really hard and you can buy a truck and pretend you work that hard? And try to find a parking spot on my city street because you are delusional about why you think you need a bigger vehicle to drive around in than you do? That’s pretty much it – god is a marketing device. That ad really plants it, but the concept will be lost on many people. I don’t know. I hope they gagged on the truck reveal at the end, say, you made me feel something! and then you try to sell me a truck! Nice counterpart to the Mercedes ad where a guy is in the middle of making a deal with the devil, although he thinks an affordable Mercedes is going to be as impressive. Car commercials in general – there was one at the beginning that makes it sound like if you buy one certain car, you can have great family time adventures all day long. Yeah, no, your life is boring and a car can’t fix your family; it can only cart them to soccer and pick them up from school. The Volkswagen seems fun, people will think you are fun! But are you really?

        It could be because I drive a 20-year-old beater, but I think car ads try to project a different lifestyle than the one you have currently in your old car is possible, is just weird to me. It’s not going to fix your social problems too much is it? It’s not going to correct the mistakes you make, or transform your positivity and determination. You’re still you in a new car. You’re not a farmer if you’re not one already, and I can name another truck marketed to actually hard-working people, name it, it’s a Dodge. Or a Ford. They don’t try to market those trucks to people who don’t really need them to do their job.

    • Anonymous

      Any Dodge/Ram/Chrysler customers who now wish they weren’t? >.<

    • Glodson

      Now I wished I had paid attention to the stupid game. I would have loved to have seen that.

      I’ll bet Jesus rides a Ford in Heaven.

  • Glodson

    Achievement Unlocked! Thread Derailed!

    Okay, katb, I want to see your historical evidence that YWHW and his kid are the only True Gods, making Christianity the only true religion. Let’s bring that.

    Now it isn’t bigoted to fight against religion. Religion is just an idea, a set of rituals and cultural view that create a worldview for a person. It isn’t any more bigoted than a Democrat fighting against Republican ideas(or vice versa, even though we can get into a meta-discussion about that consider the GOP platform concerning gay rights and abortion and so on.) We, here, aren’t fighting the religious. In fact, most of us are secularists. This means we don’t any to see any persecuted from their religion, or lack thereof.

    We have a problem with all religions, as they all have a poor foundation. They are not based in evidence, and they allow people to justify horrible actions that they would never consider otherwise. Even the more liberal ones help foster an environment where the bigoted ones can thrive. No one’s beliefs are above criticism. I like JT, and I normally agree with him. But I will disagree at times too. If I have evidence and reason to back up my position, I will do my best to present them. If I strongly disagree I will fight “tooth and claw.” That’s not happened yet, but on a long enough time line, I’ll do that to everyone. I’m quite disagreeable.

    Fighting one’s ideas doesn’t mean that I hate the person. It just means I think they are wrong. The problem is that religion makes excuses for bad behavior. It is telling that many religious apologists descend into lies, or misinformation. It is telling that the religious right develops some of the most odious bills in order to legislate what they consider to be moral.

    And the problem is that I never see the evidence presented to buy into the supernatural claims to buy into the religion. We are fighting against a set of worldviews that are handed down throughout the generations which have no basis in evidence.

    Here’s the TL;DR version: [citation needed] for evidence that Christianity is the one true religion, and even if it is, it is not above harsh criticism.

  • Gregg R. Thomas

    Go Dolphins!!!

  • drax

    Another close superbowl with the officials’ fingerprints all over it. I stopped watching football years ago, I watched the superbowl because of the social aspect. I don’t have to watch much to remember why I stopped. Is it just me, or is anyone else troubled by the very poor officiating?


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