Jimmy Carter: religion is a cause of oppression against women.

Here’s a clip of Jimmy Carter flat out saying that religion is one of the causes of violence against women and of the suppression of equality for them.

But he fails to reach the conclusion that religion is bad.  Who is realizing the shortcomings of religion and trying to fix it?  Humans.  If our moral impulses are good enough to realize what’s wrong with religion, why do we need religion?

  • Art Vandelay

    “Women are deprived of an equal right to serve God.”

    Uhh…no. Try again, Jimmy.

    • iknklast

      Actually, women do a lot of “serving”. They make up the bulk of the church congregations, and are often ‘allowed’ to serve the coffee and the cookies after the ceremony. Is he trying to denigrate the women by claiming these activities aren’t important? (snark)

      There are a lot more problems women have to deal with than the fact they can’t be priests or be ordained Southern Baptist ministers.

  • Glodson

    I’m impressed.

    He might not go all the way, but he goes very far. Most people notice how bad religion can be for basic human rights.

    Religion is hard for some people to give it. One reason I was hesitant to give it up is that religion is a security blanket. I’m still working to come to terms with what my death will mean. It is scary to think about, and so it is easy to fall into the trap. It is easy to look for ways to interpret a religion in a manner that makes it humane so that the magical belief in heaven can stay.

    The sad part is that no matter how you cut it, you will keep some bad ideas in your religion, and still allow for those who would excise all humanity from religion protection by means of your efforts. It is best to just do away with the whole system.

    It is a failed hypothesis as an explanation for nature, and it is a failed guide for morality. It has no use.

    • Art Vandelay

      Are you really impressed though? Are religious people so out of touch with reality that we have to give them credit for noting something that’s painfully obvious to us heathens? This is like saying “pederasty is wrong” as you’re dropping a c-note in the coffers at Saint Kiddiefuckers.

      • Glodson

        I am.

        I am impressed with Carter for making that acknowledgement given that I know he’s a deeply religious person. He’s acknowledging the problem.

        It doesn’t mean I agree with him. But it is nice to see a deeply religious person make such an assessment of the harm of religion.

        • Art Vandelay

          I don’t know…that seems like a really low standard. This guy has been on this planet for almost a century, been to countries all over the word, been privy to all kinds of crimes against humanity including women, been in a church his whole life, and it takes a committee of other old guys to do a bunch of research to figure out that religion is harmful towards women? I don’t think you have to get to the second page of Gen: 1 before you can figure out that religion is harmful to women.

          If you ever told me that religions subjugate women and I in turn told you that I was impressed, you’d think I was patronizing you (and I would be). So, are we holding religious people to such a lower standard where the same statement is now deemed intellectually courageous? My 9 year old knows that religion is harmful to women and not from me telling her that. She doesn’t even get a cookie for it. It’s like saying the sky is blue.

          • Glodson

            That’s great. But I think that’s a bit of a position of privilege.

            It isn’t that he gets a cookie for thinking it. He gets a cookie for saying it out loud. It sounds like he’s trying to make a change, a change for the better. Having spent most of my life as a Christian, and seeing what others have done as Christians, it is common to see people take the inhumanity of religion and twist it into something better.

            Religion carries a ton of baggage. Some have an easier time of getting rid of it. I didn’t have an easy time getting rid of it. You can read the Bible and see the evil it holds to be true. And you can twist that into something else. Many do. Carter is doing some of that before our eyes. But he’s still known for being quite religious. Him saying that has impact on the religious.

            If you don’t have anything invested in religion, calling it out for being monstrous is easy. When you literally believe in heaven and hell, the soul and religion, it is harder to do.

          • Art Vandelay

            Well, we can either agree to disagree or fight to the death. Your call.

          • Glodson

            Or we can just disagree.

            I don’t see the need for any fighting.

          • Art Vandelay

            The how do we know who wins if one us gets to live?

            (Wasn’t being remotely serious)

          • Glodson

            We’ll settle this the old navy way. The first one to die, loses.

            (I didn’t think you were serious. We just have differing points of view. A mere difference in perspective is just that. )

          • Art Vandelay

            I’ll settle with only agreeing with you 99.7% of the time.

    • John Horstman

      Don’t worry Glodson, being dead is just like not having been born yet. It makes me happy that you enjoy life enough that – as an alive person – you want to keep living, but perhaps you can take comfort in the idea that once you’re dead, you won’t exist to be able to be sad about it, so the fact that you don’t get to keep being alive stops mattering as soon as it’s the case.

      I mean, that perspective isn’t really helpful until one internalizes it, but doing so allows me, for example, to spend my time alive focused on enjoying that time alive and doing good things for my fellow humans that they might also enjoy their time alive instead of worrying about when my alive-time runs out. I find it to be a very freeing and stress-reducing worldview, and I wish you the best in reaching a similar place!

  • Silent Service

    President Carter’s Secret Service code name was “Deacon” for a reason. He is a very religious person and always has been. At this point in his life it is very unlikely that he could completely let go of religion, even while seeing the many flaws.


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