Misplaced vitriol.

I got this comment from Joan Dawson on my post about the new pope failing to properly handle child rapists.

Is there any reason why Patheos continues to allow this vitriole from the Atheist Channel?  Of course, anything the Catholic Church does is trashed here.  These are non-believers.  They discount any God or god.

Note how the anger is with my vitriol, not at the Catholic church or its newest crisis management director, Mr. Bergoglio, for failing to properly show contrition to the victims of child-raping priests, and for failing to pursue justice for, well, child-raping priests.  That’s a problem.

There was not a word contesting anything the post contained.  Nothing that contradicts the facts contained in the story I linked.  Just anger that I was angry about it.

Oh, and the last sentence, which complained that people discount the existence of gods.  No evidence that might convince me or argument for why I should believe, just pissing and moaning that I don’t.

Well Joan, the proper response to child rape and to those who enable it is anger.  The problem isn’t that I’m angry, it’s that you’re more angry at me than at your church.  And the problem isn’t that I don’t believe, but that drive-by nose-in-the-air Catholics like you seem more preoccupied with my anger than with explaining why I shouldn’t be angry or offering any reason to buy what you’re selling with regards to miracles.  Then you wonder why I have such a low opinion of your church.

Note how in my posts I make arguments.  I imagine that’s why Patheos allows me to continue posting.  Try it.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • invivoMark

    Since when does anyone need justification to be allowed to criticize mishandling of child rape cases?

    Dear Joan,
    We atheists are complaining about child rape. You are complaining about people being allowed to complain. If you think that our complaints should not be allowed, what on Earth makes you think that YOUR complaints should be allowed?

  • baal

    “They discount any God or god.”
    Grammar fail. I think she wanted to say, “They discount God or any god.”
    Also, yes, yes we do. It’s not a big part of why we don’t like the RCC though. The RCC promotes certain harms, doesn’t stop others and its various good works don’t balance that out.

    Weak point on my part but the coin flip came up “post comment”.

  • christinastephens

    “Of course, anything the Catholic Church does is trashed here.”

    No, what is trashed here are the rape-y bits. Also the rape-shielding bits. Also the rape-apologizing bits. Not “anything the Catholic Church does”. C-H-I-L-D_R-A-P-E.

    • cag

      Well, there is the birth control thing, condoms for AIDS, enforced poverty through excessive breeding and titheing, rampant misogyny and a plethora of other anti human actions. Lying for a living, selling fiction as fact, is not a profession that garners accolades in these parts.

    • Artor

      Yup. I’ve never heard of a Catholic Church criticized for feeding the poor, just the inane proselytization that they dish out with it. They never get criticized for holding community picnics, except when the pastor is fondling kids in the rectory. Sure, the Catholic Church does some good works, but that in no way absolves it for all the evils it perpetrates.

  • Glodson

    Is there any reason why Patheos continues to allow this vitriole from the Atheist Channel? Of course, anything the Catholic Church does is trashed here. These are non-believers. They discount any God or god.

    I don’t discount any God. I am trying to make a profit here.

    • cag

      Jesus can afford it. After all, jesus saves.

      • Glodson

        No wonder god hates the capital gains tax.

        • http://umlud.blogspot.com Umlud

          Well, that means the he gambles with his investments, then… But we know that God doesn’t play dice with the universe.

          … well, maybe just with his savings…

      • AmyC

        “Jesus can’t play rugby cause his daddy rigs the game
        Jesus can’t play rugby cause his daddy rigs the game
        Jesus can’t play rugby cause his daddy rigs the game
        Jesus saves! Jesus saves! Jesus saves!”

        -Song I learned on the way to Skepticon. Yes there are other verses.

        • Little Magpie

          Jesus saves … but Gretzgy gets it on the rebound…. he shoots! He SCORES!

          (Sorry, once I saw AmyC’s comment I couldn’t resist this old joke…)

          • Michael Busch

            The way I heard the joke went “Jesus saves. All others take full damage.”

          • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com Ubi Dubium

            Jesus Saves but the Mongol Hordes!

          • Sunny Day

            Jesus saves, he passes to Moses, he shoots, he SCORES!

  • Loqi

    Somewhere in the world, there was a Catholic bake sale today. Behold as I do not trash it, thus giving lie to Joan’s comment.

    • cag

      Well, the muffins were stale, the bread was under baked and the meringue on the pie weeped. And let’s not talk about the wafers.

      • invivoMark

        I tried one. It was a bit… fleshy.

    • Glodson

      Excuse me, I have to go. Somewhere, there is a bake sale happening.

      • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

        Oh that made my morning. PART MAN, PART MACHINE, ALL ATHEIST.

    • Kodie

      People got to feel pretty good about buying baked goods and the money they paid went to support the Catholic Church. I don’t think that’s awesome. What’s even worse is that there were probably marble brownies that people had to walk by because they didn’t want to support the Catholic Church by buying one or several or the whole batch, whatever. The good news is they aren’t the last marble brownies ever, but the bad news is they’ll be gone and you have to make your own, and that means the bake sale would have raised money for the Church plus you have to make your own brownies, which can be fun, but it will be hours until you can put them in your face. Then you’ll have to say that’s exactly when I wanted to eat the marble brownies and not a minute sooner. If you had bought the ones already made, when it’s later and you want to eat a marble brownie, you win because you made them yourself and that’s when they’re ready. If you already ate your brownie, what would you do later when you want a marble brownie and there isn’t one to eat? Make your own, I guess, but that just delays when you get to eat marble brownies by another couple hours, and then you’re just, like, “fuck it”. The Catholic Church ruins everything.

  • Azkyroth

    These are non-believers. They discount any God or god.


  • ben porter

    see i dont mind this cause it means tim michins pope sone is still relevant. but yea regardless of other views by him. he refused to punish a child rapist fuck that guy

  • Ken Browning

    Joan’s comment is perfectly understandable from within a framework of authoritarianism. There is too much dissonance to face the reality that the hierarchy failed over and over to stop monstrous evil when they could and should have.

    • Loqi

      Failed to stop, and in some cases, worked to make sure it would continue.

  • unbound

    I don’t trash everything that the Catholic Church does, but I am more than happy to trash all the bad things that the Catholic Church does as well as the things that the Catholic Church doesn’t do. Rather than point out the long list of bad things that the Catholic Church does and the things that the Catholic Church should do (but doesn’t), let’s play a game with analogies.

    Say you have a neighbor that does good things for his community. He has helped the local elementary school with numerous funding drives that has resulted in the establishment of several key programs. He also helps the elderly in the neighborhood on a weekly basis with getting their groceries. Unfortunately, he kills a teenager because the teen broke into his car. So, he only killed one kid compared to literally thousands of hours of community service. Would you view him as a good man since, on balance, he did more good than bad?

    Say you have a different neighbor with an equal pedigree of helping in the community. He regularly volunteers at the local soup kitchen, and, at each Thanksgiving, provides blankets around the city to the homeless. Unfortunately, he raped a woman in a moment of weakness. Would you view him as a good man since, on balance, he did more good than bad?

    Say you have another neighbor who actively volunteers at your local high school athletic booster club running the concessions and drives the ambulance for a small town (both without pay). He is well aware that the EMT in his ambulance has raped 2 young teenage girls and is stalking a 3rd girl, but refuses to go to the police because it is his fried. Would you view him as a good man since, on balance, he did more good than bad?

    Notice that none of the analogies involve anything religious at all. And, unless you have some serious lack of understanding morals, you would view each of the men above as bad. Their good deeds do not absolve them of the terrible things they have done. This is how most of us here see the Catholic Church. Of course it has done good things, but it has also done many bad things. Whether or not the Catholic Church has done more good things than bad is irrelevant. The fact that it has done many bad things, continues to do bad things, and is showing no intention of trying to stop the bad things, makes the Catholic Church, in a word, evil.

    • Azkyroth

      Unfortunately, he raped a woman in a moment of weakness.


      Bad analogy. Rapes don’t happen this way.

  • ecolt

    I’m always a big fan of the Christians (mostly) who come to Patheos, a place designed to be welcoming to all religious views, go specifically to the atheist channel, which is clearly labeled as such, find a post that refers to their religion/sect, and then act horrified that we don’t believe in god and pained that we’ve insulted them.

    Seriously, can we just have one little corner of the internet as our peaceful happy place?

  • Sarah

    Tim Minchin already responded for you

    But if you find me more offensive than the fucking possibility
    The pope protected priests when they were getting fucking fiddly
    Then listen to me motherfucker, this here is a fact
    You are just as morally misguided as that motherfucking
    Power-hungry, self-aggrandised bigot in the stupid fucking hat