Religious liberty: you’re doing it wrong.

Arief Hidayat is a candidate to be a court Justice in Indonesia.  He has some pretty strange ideas about religious freedom.

A Constitutional Court justice candidate, Arief Hidayat, said on Monday that atheism and same-sex marriage should be prohibited in Indonesia because they were based on values that contradicted the country’s ideology of Pancasila and the1945 Constitution.

“Indonesia is a religious nation; so, religious freedom in this country must uphold theistic principles. The discussion about religious freedom here, therefore, is not about whether Indonesians may be atheists. All Indonesians should be believers,”

Religious freedom: the freedom to be religious.  Thanks, Hidayat.  I wonder how he’d feel about having the freedom to live anywhere he wants, as long as it’s a hole in the ground.

At least there’s not a huge contingent of believers in this country who view religious freedom in the same, lacking-in-liberty way.

(Thanks to Paul Fidalgo for the link)

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • JohnM

    “At least there’s not a huge contingent of believers in this country who view religious freedom in the same, lacking-in-liberty way.” Did you remember to use the tag?

    • JohnM

      I tried to use a close sarcasm tag between the and tag. Clearly it didn’t work. Ah, well.

  • Glodson

    Yea. More people that think enforcing a supernatural belief onto others who don’t buy the bullshit is liberty.

    My daughter asked me what liberty was. I told her that it was an overused word often used by people who don’t truly understand the concept. My wife got mad at me for not answering her question. I think my answer was quite useful.

    • John Horstman


  • Art Vandelay

    Fucking liberty…how does it work?

    • Glodson

      You do what the Conservatives tell you.

  • DaveL

    So atheism isn’t included in your concept of religious liberty, eh? How about deism, is that close enough? Pantheism? What about Raelism, that posits the gods are actually extraterrestrials? Or pastafarianism?

    You know what, why don’t you just give us a list of official state-approved religions. I’ll bet it’s a short one.

    • Quintin

      Well Dave, you’re right, it is short: Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism (but monotheistic) and Buddhism (also monotheistic).

  • Andrew Kohler

    In other words: “Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion.” The only canned, thoughtless, and ultimately meaningless phrase I possibly detest more is “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”

    • iknklast

      I don’t know. I hate both those phrases, but I think even more I hate “all the good religion does for the world”.

      • Artor

        Conversely, I love Jon Stewart’s quote. “Religion gives people comfort in a world torn apart…by religion.”