Camp Quest Oklahoma fundraiser nixed by Christian business owner.

Camp Quest Oklahoma was running a fundraiser with the help of a restaurant called Oklahoma Joe’s BBQ.  The organizers of CQ OK met with the restaurant a full month ahead of time.  In that meeting, the representatives of the restaurant signed off on this flyer.

“Camp Quest provides an educational adventure shaped by fun, friends and free-thought, featuring science, natural wonder and humanist values.”

And it’s not like Camp Quest makes their mission a secret.  So the restaurant had to know what they were getting into.  So over one hour into their fundraiser, this happened:

Camp Quest Fundraiser is cancelled:
Oklahoma Joe’s regrets the facilitators of Camp Quest Fundraiser did not fully disclose their beliefs. These beliefs do not align with the Christian philosophy of our organization and we can not financially contribute to their cause.
We will provide service to anyone.
Joe Davidson,
Founder

Those attending the fundraiser then had to fight for their money back.  The organizers had been planning this for weeks.

Immediately negative comments started piling up on Oklahoma Joe’s facebook page.  Oklahoma Joe’s has since taken down their facebook page.  I guess they’re not too proud of discriminating and would rather do it in secret.  Oh silly Oklahoma Joe’s…somebody really needs to teach them about the Barbara Streisand effectI imagine people will wind up donating even more to Camp Quest Oklahoma or to Camp Quest national in response to his antics.

Someone also needs to tell them that atheists are used to this bullshit, so we take screen caps.

It’s true: he doesn’t have to financially contribute…unless he’s obligated himself to, and after weeks of the organization taking him at his word (something about the ninth commandment).  And as if that wasn’t slimy enough, now he’s taken down the facebook page so people can’t complain.

But they have a phone number.  In fact, it’s (918) 355-0000 (deluge them with measured rage, but don’t be belligerent).  Oh look!  They have a twitter account too (@OkJoesBBQ)!  How about the hashtag #BigotBBQ?  That should do nicely.  And what’s this?  Why, it’s the restaurant’s Urban Spoon page.

If you’re going to be a terrible human being because of your Christian principles, at least have the courage to do it in the light.  Wear your dishonesty and your bigotry around your neck like a big, gaudy cross.  Here, we’ll help you.

If you get any responses from Oklahoma Joe’s, send them to me at wwjtd21 [at] gmail [dot] com.

And somebody teach him that atheists own the internet.


UPDATE:

Joe Davidson has now changed his story up a little bit as people are calling in.  He is saying the CQ OK people showed up to hand out literature at the restaurant, without permission, and the people who showed up with the flier were given the 10% back and said they should donate it as they see fit.

The first part is untrue, according to the organizers.  They say they had permission, and that the brochures were sitting on a table by their fundraiser.  They also said the 10% was only given back after massive complaints.

Ed Brayton is saying that what the restaurant did was illegal:

A lawsuit should be filed immediately. This is very similar to what happened to us at CFI Michigan in late 2011 when a country club canceled a dinner with Richard Dawkins. The fact is that it does not matter whether the group was clear about their atheism or not, it is a violation of federal law and Oklahoma state law as well. Federal law says:

All persons shall be entitled to be free, at any establishment or place, from discrimination or segregation of any kind on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin, if such discrimination or segregation is or purports to be required by any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, rule, or order of a State or any agency or political subdivision thereof.

Any business that offers public accommodation (that is, if they’re open to the public) cannot discriminate on the basis of religion, and that includes discrimination against atheists. The country club that discriminated against CFI Michigan just settled that suit, which they were likely to lose if they went to trial.

What Oklahoma Joe’s did is illegal. They need to be held accountable for it.

Uh oh.  If you thought an internet full of angry atheists can cost your business money, wait until lawyers get involved.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • http://skepticalimerick.blogspot.com/ Rich Stage

    Please do not call to harass Oklahoma Joe’s. I had a long conversation with the owner, and there is nothing at all sinister going on. He gave the people who brought in the flier the 10% back from their ticket as cash, and said they should donate it as they see fit.

    It seems there was a lack of communication on both sides.

    • Nate Frein

      He doesn’t need sinister reasons to be dishonest.

    • DrVanNostrand

      BULLSHIT. “Camp Quest provides an educational adventure shaped by fun, friends and free-thought, featuring science, natural wonder and humanist values.” That is a 100% accurate and not even remotely misleading description. Ending the event they had agreed to do after one hour is unethical and generally shitty behavior. Voicing displeasure about their bigotry and giving them crappy ratings on the web for their awful service is completely appropriate.

    • Slutty Mary

      No, there was no miscommunication. These people need to burn in hell for breaking their contract. It’s criminal and un-christian…. but what else do you expect from a self-described christian? Oh yeah, Hitler was a self-professed christian too!

      • Glodson

        ???!!!!

      • David Hart

        I didn’t expect this one to be godwin’d so quickly. If you are holding up Hitler as a good example of a Christian, I presume you’re not a Christian yourself, yet you propose that the restaurateurs should burn in Hell. Which Hell exactly did you have in mind?

        • Glodson

          I don’t think Mary here is on the side of Joe’s. But I am not sure what to make of this one.

          • Baal

            I assume Mary is new to internet comment threads and hasn’t yet heard that citing Hitler for pretty much anything is frowned upon.

          • Glodson

            Well, it isn’t just the Hitler thing. I don’t like threatening people with Hell to begin with. That’s a bit of psychological torture, especially to a believer. That’s bad enough, but over breaking a contract? And what kind of Hell? Atheist hell?

          • DrVanNostrand

            I think you’re reading way too much into an incoherent comment that was clearly either written by a 10 year old or a Poe.

      • Anonymous

        You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you asshole.

      • http://MrPlaid81.deviantart.com Andrew Kilian

        Uh… Okay they’re barbecuing meat, not Jews. What he did was dishonest and apparently illegal, but it’s not the same as rounding up millions of people to burn alive in ovens nor invading other countries. Let’s have a little objectivity here.

    • Andy

      You’re completely right, the owner failed to communicate the fact that he’s a bigot to these people who wanted to hold a fundraiser for a children’s camp. He should have been more clear about his prejudiced nature.

    • GCT

      There’s nothing sinister about atheophobic bigotry? Shame on you.

    • BabyRaptor

      There was no lack of communication. He’s blatantly lying about them “not fully disclosing their beliefs.” What they believe is right there on the flyer the restaurant signed off on.

      Further, he should have done his homework before agreeing to support the Camp, not an hour into the fundraiser a month after an agreement.

      And now he’s lying about what happened, slandering the people he screwed over and hiding behind his religious beliefs. There’s nothing sinister about this? Only if you’re a godbot.

    • unbound

      Highly unlikely to be miscommunication on Camp Quest’s part. I’ve run several of these with local businesses in my area, and the normal process is that the business provides their logo and standard verbiage and request to see the fundraiser’s verbiage. So the business owner either was too lazy to read what was on the flyers or changed his mind later (which, based on Melissa’s report below, is most likely).

      Also, from experience running these things, despite best efforts to have people bring in the flyers, many of the people we reach to advertise the night tend to forget the flyers. In fact, the only business that required the flyer originally gave up on this after the first night of fundraising this way. We receive 10% of the profits or proceeds (depends on the restaurant) for the hours of the event (typically 4 to 8 pm). There is a bit of dishonesty with the owner at the beginning of this for insisting on the flyer since he is fully aware the issue.

      The owner benefited greatly from another group doing the work of advertising to get more customers in the door. The reason these events occur Monday through Thursday only is that the business owner gets a great deal more business supporting these events. Providing 10% back to handful of customers (and only under duress) still puts a lot of profit in his pocket that was generated by Camp Quest. Even if it wasn’t illegal, it is certainly immoral…and the owner knows it.

    • http://skepticalimerick.blogspot.com/ Rich Stage

      After further review, I am sorry I defended this man. After finding out the whole of the story, what he did was contemptible. I no longer believe that there was any mis-communication, and what he did should have a light shone upon it. There are, I’m sure, more than enough Christians willing to believe his ‘persecution’ story, but what he did should not go unpunished.

      I’m big enough to admit that I was wrong, and I was wrong.

      • http://aa-atheists.com edward

        “I’m big enough to admit that I was wrong, and I was wrong.”
        Rich, the world needs more people like you. Cheers.

  • Art Vandelay

    The purpose of Camp Quest is to provide children of freethinking parents a residential summer camp dedicated to improving the human condition through rational inquiry, critical and creative thinking, scientific method, self-respect, ethics, competency, democracy, free speech, and the separation of religion and government.

    What a vile belief system this guy almost donated 10% of one nights revenue to. He should absolutely use all of his fundraising resources on telling children that they’re depraved and therefore responsible for the blood sacrifice of the creator of the universe and will suffer unimaginable torture for eternity for not spending their entire life trying to make amends for it.

    I have no idea what it’s from but that youtube video cracks me the fuck up. I don’t tweet but I’m definitely making a donation to CQ.

    • http://skepticalimerick.blogspot.com/ Rich Stage

      Not one night’s revenue. The only revenue he would part with, according to the flier, was the 10% of the proceeds from those who brought in the flier and/or mentioned Camp Quest. He gave the 10% back to the people who brought in the flier. I think this is being blown out of proportion, and a small business owner is being unfairly targeted.

      • Art Vandelay

        Maybe. I’m not sure I understand. He decided instead of taking 10% of every customer with a flier and giving it to CQ, he would just give people with the flier 10% back and tell them to do with it what they please? That doesn’t make any sense.

        • neatospiderplant

          My understanding is that he decided when they were already an hour into the fundraiser that he didn’t agree with CQ’s beliefs and didn’t want to continue with the fundraiser. He gave the 10% back to the people who had already ordered.

      • Rusty Yates

        Rich, It is illegal in this country for a business to discriminate on the basis of religion or lack of it. No one has to declare their beliefs to conduct business. If he altered his practices in any way as a result of the religiosity of his customers pro or con he is in violation.

      • http://offlogic.wordpress.com offlogic

        Nothing unfair about holding Joe-bubbah responsible for his back-stabbing, lying and religious discrimination. I’m sure he was afraid of losing the Rhema trade, so he’s striking a martyr’s pose to cover for his initial good intentions. What a hypocrite!

  • stacy

    Ok – this is really silly. So Apparently OK Joe’s BBQ doesn’t like science… or critical thinking, or self respect, or any of those other things that Camp Quest promotes. I really would like to see this article spread far and wide… SHARE SHARE SHARE.

    And for those of us that want these values, apparently we aren’t welcome at OK Joe’s BBQ… vote with your dollars. It would be really sad if you hit this business where it hurts… in the wallet :P

  • Hairhead

    Mr. Davidson,

    My father was a minister. He emulated Jesus Christ. He worked amongst the poor, the alcoholic, and the abused. I shared my home as I grew up with Native Americans (many of them drunk or drugged), prostitutes (underage ones, too), child molesters, junkies, and many different kinds of what you would call “smelly bums” — and their families. I remember standing watch over one woman and her children who camped on our front porch to escape from her drunken, physically violent husband. We gave our time, our food, our love to those who needed it most. No-one was turned away for reasons of race or politics or religion.

    My parents would be disgusted to share the label “Christian” with you. You are the *antithesis* of what Christian is, and what Christ taught. Christ mixed with the prostitutes, the tax collectors, the downtrodden of society and extended his hand and his love to them all. Funny, I remember too how Christ said, “Suffer the little children to come unto me.”

    You are not only a NOT a Christian (cf. “by their acts shall ye know them”), you are ignorant. Everything I have mentioned here is in the Bible, is taught in Sunday School, and ought to be by now engraved on soul — if you WERE a Christian.

    Ever wonder why atheism is becoming more popular? Because people like you (I will NOT call you a “Christian”) give Christianity a bad name.

    One final bit of biblical wisdom: “As ye reap, so shall ye sow.”

    • Art Vandelay

      That’s not why atheism is becoming more popular.

      • IslandBrewer

        Yeah. Everyone knows it’s the bacon wrapped onion rings and chocolate chip cookie dough.

        • Stogoe

          bacon wrapped cookie dough? Could be good, I guess. One local restaurant here wraps wonton wrappers around cookie dough and deep fries it. Unfortunately, I’ve never been satisfied with the result.

      • Glodson

        We covered that in the porn thread.

        We get the best porn, with no guilt!

    • http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/jdcore J. David Core

      That’s not really why atheism is becoming popular. It is why Christianity is becoming unpopular, however.

    • GCT

      Wait…so atheists are downtrodden and need your pity? That’s bigoted too.

    • BabyRaptor

      lol…Typical No True Scotsman claim. You don’t get to decide who is and isn’t a Christian. If this guy says he’s a Christian, he is one.

      And you’re no better. Both of you treat anyone who disagrees with you like crap simply because they don’t share your views. This guy was just more blatant about it whereas you try and dress it up in pretty words and good deeds.

      • Sean Boyd

        QFFT!

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  • Bor Zoi

    Leaving the religion-humanist issue out, this is the most over-rated BBQ restaurant in America.

    The beef burnt ends is brisket cooked in a crock-pot in BBQ sauce. That sounds as good as described, which is horrible. KC’s Jack Stack is infinitely better.

    The pork is basically Castleberry’s canned pork (http://www.amazon.com/Castleberrys-Barbecue-Pork-Sauce-10-Ounce/dp/B001CAR1OU). They call their pork sandwich “The Carolina Sandwich”. No. Any BBQ joint in the South is better.

    The ribs are tough and chewy. They get that way when you boil the meat first and then try to bake the meat dry.

    The BBQ sauce is the midwest abomination of ketchup and molasses.

    * * * * * * *
    Just because Anthony Bourdain says OK Joe’s is good does not mean anything. I’ll listen to Bourdain if I’m looking for offal or things with heavy cream: You’d be a moron to be getting BBQ advice from a New Yorker.

    • KC

      Anthony Bourdain visited Kansas City’s OK Joe’s. Completely separate business from the one in this story.

      • Deborah Dyer

        And it sucks too. My daughter lives in Kansas City and said the pulled pork was soggy and the creamy cole slaw was like eating straight mayonnaise.

    • Stogoe

      Ketchup and molasses for life!

  • http://myatheistblog.wordpress.com Mr. Atheist

    Don’t forget their Youtube channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWfE5ceKYFs

  • Anonymous Atheist

    I have no additional information about the situation, but a plausible reason for why he would’ve initially agreed to the fundraiser, remained agreeable to it for weeks leading up to it, and then changed his mind at an hour later than the last minute… could be that some locally-influential anti-CQ person who happened to go eat there on CQ night decided to ‘inform’ the owner that this isn’t just a fun educational science camp, it’s an evil atheist indoctrination camp, and he’d better shut down the fundraiser if he doesn’t want to get ‘shunned’.

  • TlalocW

    I think maybe the owner of Oklahoma Joe’s could have benefited from such a camp when he was younger as apparently he has poor reading comprehension since he apparently couldn’t tell from the flyer that the camp didn’t mesh with his beliefs (which don’t include keeping his word).

  • Melissa

    Thanks for posting this. I was there and can verify some things. We were asked to leave. We did not hand out pamphlets (we didn’t even have any–they were brochures and few stickers, for the people who came to the event to take home) or talk to any customers that weren’t already with our group. (He’s really dialing this story up on the local news. Now he’s got us “handing out pamphlets and promoting atheism”. Not true.) He also did not act until two other workers took one of our brochures into the back of the restaurant. Before then, he and the manager actually came out and made small talk with us.

    The most important point, I think, is that this happened an hour after the event started and we had paid. We had paid with the agreement that 10% would go to the cause. Originally, he backed off on that. He said, “I can’t support this cause” (never mind that it’s still our money, not his–money he wouldn’t have at all if we hadn’t come in to eat for this event). When I spoke with him, he still did not budge on donating, and finally agreed to give me the 10% of my ticket back. I don’t know when he decided to donate everyone else’s after all (if he’s not lying about that too…) but it was by no means an immediate decision. At first, he was going to kick us out and take our donations for himself.

    Think about that for a while.

    • Glodson

      At first, he was going to kick us out and take our donations for himself.

      Oh, I don’t need to think about that. Christian Privilege. He thought that he was entitled to your money, and could just screw you over. I use the word thought loosely, because if he was really concerned about causes he supported, he should have checked out the mission statement of Camp Quest when the agreement was made a month ago.

      He didn’t care.

    • Baal

      Thanks for the additonal information. I was unclear where the Camp Q. donations were coming from. It’s the fundraisees money used to pay for the food. The restaurant has a facilitator role in handing back 10% of the bill at the end. While the restaurant would have otherwise taken the entire bill, the fundraisees wouldn’t have been there but for the fundraiser and that would have cost the restaurant the full bill.

      Also, @ contract law & non-discrimination of a protected class – the religious beliefs (or not) of the attendants is not a question or basis for the denial of public accommodations. If they do fund raisers like this with anyone, they more or less need to do it for everyone.

  • Crissa

    It’s also illegal to falsely advertise and to break a contract. Accommodation is just one of the laws this guy broke.

  • JL

    As Yoda said, or at least would’ve probably said if he had a chance to hang with you lot, “Hatred leads to delusion.” You honestly think disallowing a fundraiser to continue constitutes illegal discrimination? You do realize this Brayton fellow you cite is a comedian, not a lawyer? The restaurant may be responsible for repaying costs caused by the inconvenience of having the fundraiser stopped abruptly, but if you think this is a violation of civil rights you need to learn the definition of the word. Having something not go your way is not a violation of your civil rights. Business owners don’t have the right to discriminate against who they serve, but they certainly have the right to use discriminatory judgement to determine who they charitably give their funds to, which is what a fundraiser is.

    • Anonymous

      I am not a lawyer, but the issue seems clear to me: OK Joe’s entered into a contract, then broke it. They had plenty of opportunity to withdraw with no penalty besides inconvenience to either party, but the owner decided to do it when he had already taken money. Never mind civil rights, it’s a simple matter of contract law.

    • http://Nelc.livejournal.com NelC

      Never mind civil rights, it appears to this non-lawyer to be a simple matter of contract law. OK Joe’s entered into a contract, then reneged on it after money had changed hands. It was dishonest, not to mention un-Christian.

    • Q.E.D

      JL, I am a lawyer an you are wrong. The restaurant discriminated against customers based on their religious beliefs (yes atheism falls under “religious” belief under the law). He breached a contract. He wrongfully appropriated customer/camp quest money. He caused financial damages to customers/camp quest. He ruined their fundraiser and denied them the benefit of the bargain (the funds that were and would have been raised) he had agreed to.

    • http://anthrozine.com Cubist

      Judging by the words you’ve posted here, JL, you don’t appear to see anything wrong with a restauranteur going back on his given word and reneging on a previously-made agreement, but you do see something wrong with wanting an oathbreaker to suffer the consequences of his oathbreaking.
      There is a Middle Eastern religion which, I am reliably informed, enjoins its adherents to be honest in all things, and whose sacred writings assert that the god of this religion hates dishonesty enough that said god has prepared an extremely painful afterlife for deceivers. You appear to be largely (if not entirely) unfamiliar with this religion, JL, but I think you might benefit from studying its teachings.
      The name of this religion is Christianity.

    • Glodson

      As Yoda said, or at least would’ve probably said if he had a chance to hang with you lot, “Hatred leads to delusion.” You honestly think disallowing a fundraiser to continue constitutes illegal discrimination?

      You just strawmaned Yoda, and attempted to use an appeal from authority with Yoda. Okay. Not off to a great start. Further, what is the hate? Is it hate to want people to uphold their end of a deal? The guy got revenue. That’s why one does a fundraiser. It is, in part, to help. But it is both free advertising and it brings guests in. Both are great. He was going to keep the money, get the advertising when he canceled the agreed upon event an hour into it.

      That, by itself, is already actionable as it is a frivolous breaking of a contract. The spurious reasoning is grounds as well as it is discrimination.

      You do realize this Brayton fellow you cite is a comedian, not a lawyer?

      This is a form of denialism. It is called credentialism. You are trying to dismiss Ed’s points by pointing out he’s not a lawyer rather than dealing with his argument. It is as if you are attacking the man, and not the argument. That seems like it should be a fallacy as well. (Hint: it is.)

      The restaurant may be responsible for repaying costs caused by the inconvenience of having the fundraiser stopped abruptly, but if you think this is a violation of civil rights you need to learn the definition of the word.

      Denying the right to use a public space because of the quality of the people using it. Yup, sounds like a civil right. If the guy had found out it was going to support minority outreach programs, it would be apparent to all.

      Having something not go your way is not a violation of your civil rights.

      Strawmaned Yoda, and now reality. What won’t you strawman?!

      Business owners don’t have the right to discriminate against who they serve, but they certainly have the right to use discriminatory judgement to determine who they charitably give their funds to, which is what a fundraiser is.

      They don’t have the right to break a contract, verbal or otherwise, without a valid reason. They don’t have the right to keep the benefit of contract while breaking the contract. They don’t have the right to do so on religious grounds. If Joe’s had said when they were approached originally that this wasn’t an event they would be interested in holding, then you would have a point. An hour into it is far too late.

      Christian Privilege, you has it.

    • Baal

      “discriminatory judgement to determine who they charitably give their funds to, which is what a fundraiser is.”
      No, that’s not how law works. I’d have to actually read the contract (assuming one exists) to know if it was broken. That would be one “cause of action” (right or basis to sue). We have a second law (based in the constitution) in the US, it says that you may not discriminate against certain people (protected classes). Who is a protected and for what purposes can be a bit tricky. Suffice it to say that you cannot be thrown out or denied a place of public accommodation on the basis of religion or lack thereof. That tweet that says “your beliefs” makes this a pretty much open and shut case. Restaurants are places of public accommodation so that threshold is reached. It’s clear from the facts above that the event was ‘cancelled’ mid-meal and that they had to push for the agreed to 10%. That’s a bad act on the part of the restaurant. I would say this meets the legal analysis and the restaurant is not likely to fair well in court (should that happen).
      This type of case is not uncommon and while Ed is not an attorney, he has been covering discrimination cases as a reporter (citizen journalist?) for years. To pass him off as a commedian and thus to be ignored is an example of the ad hominem fallacy .

    • Nea

      they certainly have the right to use discriminatory judgement to determine who they charitably give their funds to

      If the place had decided to find a charity to which they’d donate some of their regular profits, you would be correct. But they advertised that their patrons would be charitably donating a portion of their proceeds to Camp Quest and then tried to keep the CQ money, defrauding everyone who gave money to the restaurant during the fundraiser.

      I work with a charity that collects money to be distributed for various causes. If the money comes with strings – “I want it to go to this cause, not that one” – then it had darn well better go as specified or the whole organization can be sued for false advertising, fraud, and theft. Joe’s BBQ is guilty of all of these and breach of contract besides.

    • Reginald Selkirk

      JL: Business owners don’t have the right to discriminate against who they serve, but they certainly have the right to use discriminatory judgement to determine who they charitably give their funds to, which is what a fundraiser is.

      I added a little bold font to point out one of your mistakes to you. The funds came from the customers who specifically showed up because of the CQ promotion. They were not funds belonging to the business, or to the business owner.

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  • http://www.geekexile.com Brian Fields

    For those that think the response is out of proportion:

    What if a nice, lovely church group came in, with the same intention of raising money for their church? They go in the restaurant, and the owner finds that this is a mainly black church? Let’s say the owner has a touch of racism, and says “I’m sorry, but I can’t support people of your color, you’ll not be getting the 10% donation I promised!”.

    It’s discrimination, either way – And breach of contract. Camp Quest did not misrepresent themselves, and has no responsibility to disclose what “religion” they support, if any (Even if they did actually disclose it, which they did). If you are running a business, you should not be discriminating, period – That’s what equal access laws are about. If you are running a business, you should CERTAINLY keep to your contracts, both written and verbal. If you don’t, then people have a right to call you out on it, or sue if at all possible.

  • MP

    My husband and I moved to Oklahoma, but moved back to Texas before we had been there two years. The state is too full of Christian haters. We had to leave. It was awful. This story in no way surprises me.

    • Baal

      language foul! Actually, I have love sentence that read more that one way. It’s like a linguistic optical illusion.
      “Christian haters” can be read as haters who are also christian (adjective) (you mean this version). It also reads as haters of christians (noun). The meaning flips between the two on why you left.

  • ladyvanda

    This is awful. It’s weird how few people realize that the owner got free advertising, then stole the money of the customers who came (since he changed his mind after it was paid). The atheism part is pathetic enough, the bottom line is that he took people’s money then kicked them out for no good reasons.
    On a different note, it seems like some people are mistakenly contacting okjoe’s BBQ in Kansas, be careful to hit the right place, people.

  • rudy

    rich just because you talked to the owner and chose to believe his statement is your choice, and right. however the evidence speaks for it’s self. he had time and opportunity to do his research, if you run a business then its your responsibility to check things out you choose to promote. his business is not being treated unfairly, what he chose to do was in fact illegal. now he needs to accept responsibility for his actions and there are consequences for thoes actions.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    “As an American I strongly support one’s right to believe anything they want, but I am not obligated to make a personal contribution to something I personally don’t believe in.”

    A personal contribution? I understood the disagreement to be about a portion of the profits taken in by his business in a mutually agreed fundraising endeavor, not a personal contribution. This guy needs to clarify to himself the distinction between his own personal activity and the activity of his business.

    • Brad D

      You make a very good point, Reginald. But the fact is Joe Davidson isn’t smart enough to clarify and show this distinction. He’s a BBQ chef, not an experienced businessman. This incident clearly proves this. He does not know to turn a bad incident like this into something good for everyone. He stands his ground and just thinks it will go away. A guy like this will never learn.

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  • http://neitherheadsnortails.blogspot.com/ Mumbles

    I’ve been following this (and writing about it) since it blew up the other night–see, my son is going to one of the other Camp Quests this summer, so it exploded on my Facebook Feed practically live. I’m watching a number of sites and blogs, and I have to say, the comments here are amazingly intelligent. Y’all are super-smart, bless your hearts ;-)

    Seriously, great stuff. I’ve learned from reading.

    Kris

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