Oklahoma Joe’s in Kansas City distancing themselves from the Broken Arrow store.

In the wake of Joe Davidson being a bigot when he didn’t think the world would find out (but then, the world found out), the Oklahoma Joe’s in Kansas City (which didn’t take down its facebook page, unlike some other Oklahoma Joe’s) has issued this statement:

It has come to our attention here at Oklahoma Joe’s KANSAS CITY, that a statement clarifying our relationship to the restaurant in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, may be helpful.
Oklahoma Joe’s Bar-B-Que in Kansas City is an entirely separate and independent corporate entity and shares no business or ownership ties whatsoever with the Oklahoma Joe’s in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. We are a completely separate family-owned business. The only thing we share with the Broken Arrow restaurant is a name and a shared history of great barbecue.

Translation: “Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Now they fucked up!”

  • Turumbar

    JT – there is no relationship to distance themselves from. The two restaurants just happen to share the same name, nothing else. Your post title gives the (incorrect) impression that they’re somehow part of the same company. That is not the case. I live in KC and visit Oklahoma Joe’s here frequently and I hate to see their good name besmirched by this.

    • Art Vandelay

      He’s talking about a perceived relationship as some people were mistakenly protesting on the FB wall of OK Joe’s KC.

    • Artor

      The mistaken connection was already made, and JT’s post here is specifically intended to refute that.

    • James

      Why do so many people hate atheists? What have atheists ever done to anybody?

      • Glodson

        It is because we are threatening by virtue of existing. We are outside their group, which demonizes us. If we can be good without god, it takes away from their need for god. So we must be bad. In order to keep their god, and to justify their god’s punishment of us.

        Further, we are voicing their own doubts. It is easy to accept another theist of a different religion. They are wrong in the eyes of the believer, but they both believe. They have a higher power, so there’s a common ground. We reject that.

        Finally, some of the more vocal of us erode the special respect given to religion. That respect is what covers the belief. When we remove that respect and treat religious claims as we would any other claim, the claim looks pitiful and silly.

        These believers have often been in the fold since early childhood. They have invested so much into the belief, emotionally and even monetarily. We threaten this. They believe they need religion to be a part of their identity. We show that religion isn’t needed for anything. The hate has little to do with us, and more to do with the need to protect an unfounded belief system.

        • Art Vandelay

          Exactly. I’ll also add that religious people are used to being given credit for having faith and the stronger their faith, the more moral they appear to their kind. To us, the stronger their faith, the more dangerous they appear. Having faith stripped away as a virtue would be the nail in the coffin for religion.

  • http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/ Russell Glasser

    Why are there two unrelated Oklahoma Joe’s bbqs? Was there a famous guy named Oklahoma Joe who really liked meat, or something?

    • Art Vandelay

      Not to stereotype but just by virtue of calling yourself Oklahoma Joe, I’d probably conclude that you really like meat.

    • Anonymous Atheist

      I have a comment awaiting moderation with a full timeline of the ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ restaurants history. The gist of it is: There were two guys who really liked cooking barbecue, named Joe Davidson and Jeff Stehney. They started a barbecue restaurant together and named it after Joe. Then Joe left to do other stuff, and gave Jeff the right to continue using his ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ name. Over a decade later, Joe decided to get back into the restaurant business and start using his name again himself, with the Broken Arrow restaurant. Now Jeff owns 3 OKJoes in KS, and Joe owns 2 OKJoes in OK.

  • Anonymous

    IT looks like OK Joe’s started as a small chain, and then some locations closed, and some got sold (along with rights to the name) to other entities. Thus more than one store with the same name, unassociated in any businesslike manner.

  • Silent Service

    Maybe they would be willing to do a real actual Camp Quest fundraser at the Kansas City OKJoe’s? That would really distance themselves from the Broken Arrow OKJoe’s.

  • Anonymous Atheist

    I’ve pieced together the ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ history. Timeline:

    1987 – Joe Don Davidson begins selling ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue smokers.

    1991 – Jeff Stehney begins seriously competing in barbecue competitions, using an ‘Oklahoma Joe’ smoker.

    1993 – Joe Don Davidson and Jeff Stehney enter many of the same barbecue competitions (and both win a lot), and become friends.

    1994 – Joe Don Davidson opens an ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue smoker factory in Stillwater, OK.

    Dec 1995 / Jan 1996 – Joe Don Davidson and Jeff Stehney open the first ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant, next door to the smoker factory, in Stillwater, OK. Jeff Stehney will operate it while Joe Don Davidson runs the smoker company.

    Aug 1996 – Joe Don Davidson and Jeff Stehney open the Kansas City, KS ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant location.

    1998 – Joe Don Davidson sells the barbecue smoker company to Char-Broil, and the factory moves to New Braunfels, TX. He moves to Texas himself to work with the new smoker company owners, and pulls out of the restaurants. They close the Stillwater, OK restaurant now that Davidson and the smoker factory are gone, since Stehney lives in Kansas and doesn’t like commuting to Oklahoma. “Stehney then bought Davidson out of the KCK restaurant and was granted a sub-license for the name.”

    2000 – Joe Don Davidson leaves Char-Broil and starts a line of barbecue grills/smokers for Walmart.

    2005 – Jeff Stehney opens the Olathe, KS ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant location.

    July 2010 – Joe Don Davidson announces he’s working on plans to reopen an ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant in Oklahoma, in the Tulsa area.

    May 2011 – Jeff Stehney announces plans for a Leawood, KS ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant location.

    Dec 2011 / Jan 2012 – Joe Don Davidson opens his own ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant in Broken Arrow, OK (a Tulsa suburb).

    July 2012 – Jeff Stehney opens the Leawood, KS ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant location. He announces that he doesn’t intend to open/own any more than these three Kansas locations (Kansas City, Olathe, and Leawood), and doesn’t intend to franchise, despite many offers. He now has a management team handling the restaurants’ operations. However, he does plan to open a separate business near the Olathe restaurant, that “will be meat-centered with cured and smoked meats. It’s something meat-centric and sandwich-oriented.”

    Aug 2012 – Joe Don Davidson opens another OK ‘Oklahoma Joe’s’ barbecue restaurant location, inside the Cain’s Ballroom performance hall in Tulsa, OK.

    References:
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Joe_Davidsons_love_for_barbecue_is_smokin/20100707_39_d1_joedav524234
    http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/05/24/oklahoma-joes-submits-plans-for.html
    http://www.pitch.com/fatcity/archives/2012/01/05/oklahoma-joes-opens-a-new-bbq-joint-in-oklahoma-leawood-location-coming-this-summer
    http://www.pitch.com/kansascity/oklahoma-joes-jeff-stehney/Content?oid=2914103&showFullText=true
    http://www.tulsapeople.com/Tulsa-People/June-2012/Joes-knows-barbecue/
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Oklahoma_Joes_to_open_lunch_venue_at_Cains/20120708_274_d3_oklaho256663
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Oklahome_Joes_Cains_Oklahoma_Joes_gets_cooking_at_Cains/20121122_39_WK9_CUTLIN734029
    http://joco913.com/news/owners-of-oklahoma-joes-find-that-dreams-come-true/
    http://www.pitch.com/fatcity/archives/2012/12/03/oklahoma-joes-bottles-its-fry-seasoning-teases-new-olathe-concept
    http://www.oklahomajoesbbq.com/ (Stehney’s three Kansas locations)
    http://okjoes.com/ (Davidson’s two Oklahoma locations)

  • NotAProphet

    Two organisations entered into an agreement. One party then proceeded to carry out their obligations under that agreement, thus the agreement was contractual. See Brogden vs Metropolitan Railway Co.

    The fact that one party failed to conduct due diligence into the other’s stance does not obviate their contractual obligations.


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