Why young people oppose equality (hint: religion).

Matt Stopera asked 20 young people at the nation for marriage rally to take a pad of paper and write down their reason for opposing same-sex marriage.  Look at all these Christians smile as they fight to keep others legally separated from the person they love.  Look at how happy they are to be causing that kind of torment.

Sounds legit.  As long as the basis for our laws are “whatever this follower of a nameless religion of humility finds appealing”, can you also tell us how you feel about asparagus, crocks, and people blowing their nose?  Can you send Congress a list of things other people might enjoy (like spending their life with the person they love) that should be outlawed based on your individual visceral reaction to them?

I wish lack of compassion were painful to the person being cruel, rather than to the people at which they point their cruelty.  That might produce the type of perspective that would wipe that smile right off her oblivious face.

Fatherhood and motherhood are both necessary for what?  To properly raise kids?  Nope.  You know what’s terrible for children?  Straight parents who conceive a child and then neglect or abuse them and have them taken away.  Yet, you’re still all about those parents having the right to marry.  So let’s not pretend it’s about the welfare of children and not about thinking every other person should comport their lives to your religious beliefs.  Smile it up, you fraud.

She does not like it, Sam I Am.

There’s actually no need for evidence here because you can always detect truth by the presence of rhymes.  This is actually how Christians know that evolution isn’t true.  Have you ever read a science textbook?  Not a single rhyme in the whole damn thing.

Her ear-to-ear smile is probably the result of believing she’s written something profound.  The reality is that she should’ve been handed a crayon to write it.

Also, I would love to see the anti-equality lawyers in the Supreme Court this week use this argument.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.  Ok, we’ll maintain an unequal society where other people can’t realize their dream of being married to the flesh-and-blood person they love all so you can pretend to be a princess.  Maybe after you’re done pretending the universe revolves around you we can play “pretend to give a shit about the lives of others” or “make empathy a two-way street by caring about other people’s rights as much as you expect them to care about your right to play princess”?

The presence of a heart at the bottom is ironic, since she’s opposing other people’s love so she can be a princess.  This is why I so loathe Christianity especially, it mangles the word “love” until it only means doing whatever the bible says, even if those beliefs/actions are indistinguishable from hate.  In this woman’s case, love has become selfishness.  Other people must be less happy so she can wear a fucking tiara.

All with a big, proud, Jesus-loving smile.

But go on, tell me more about how religion makes people more kind and how it makes the world a better place, as if it didn’t move people to delight as they stomp out happiness in others.  Rhyme as you do so.

  • Loqi

    Wow. The smugness is so thick that I can’t cut it with a knife. Requires a chainsaw.

  • http://everydayatheist.wordpress.com Everyday Atheist

    Christianity . . . mangles the word “love” until it only means doing whatever the bible says, even if those beliefs/actions are indistinguishable from hate.

    Hey, Atheist Quotes, you reading this? This needs to be circulated to the world, stat.

    Exceedingly well said, JT. This is one of the most maddening things about dealing with Christians. No matter how hateful what they’re spouting is in human terms, they are absolutely (and I believe, honestly) convinced it is coming from a place of love. But when your “love” is indistinguishable from hate in terms of its impact on the target, how can that be love? As I said once on Facebook, if the person you’re “loving” feels hated and excluded, you’re doing love wrong. The only way it makes internal sense is that they believe the consequence of not accepting their religion is eternal torture. Then the hurt caused to people in the here-and-now becomes inconsequential by comparison.

    • Glodson

      It is important to hammer on this point. People like to hide their religious bigotry behind a veil of “compassion.” It is sickening. These kids were taught this sickening bigotry. They might not say it the way that Westboro says it and they might even denounce Westboro. But they agree with Westboro’s principle on this.

      • http://everydayatheist.wordpress.com Everyday Atheist

        They agree with WBC to the extent that they believe gay people will be sent to Hell for disobeying God. It just emphasizes how heinously anti-human the doctrine of Hell is. By threatening people who are decent and well intentioned (in most cases) with the most horrible eternal torture, you can make them perpetrate terrible injustices against other people, but still think they’re being decent and well intentioned. After all, if I think you’ll be roasted on a spit forever for having sex with someone of the same gender, how can I NOT try to dissuade you from it? And then become flummoxed and resentful of your “hard heartedness” when you resist my efforts? It’s the old “to make good people do bad things, that takes religion” cliche. But it’s 100% true.

        It’s absolutely sick, but it’s internally consistent if you really believe in Hell.

        • Glodson

          Part of it is the doctrine of hell. Many of us were believers, or were brought up in a household connected to believers. The idea of hell is drummed into you. Hell cuts both ways. It makes you want to believe, just to save yourself. And it makes you demonize others as to resolve the cognitive dissonance as to why some people must go to hell.

          If there’s a god and hell, that god is an evil sadist.

  • Glodson

    My little girl loves her little princess dolls. One of the cutest things she did was to declare that two of her princesses were married to each other.

    I loved it.

  • Anon

    ‘I can’t see myself being with a woman’ – Well dear, that would be because you are straight. Women who aren’t straight can definitely see ourselves with other women. That would be because we are not straight. I’m sure there are a number of other things you can’t see yourself doing, skydiving for example, but that doesn’t mean other people don’t enjoy them.

    ‘Motherhood and father hood are both necessary’ – Because every single child is raised in a home with one father and one mother apart from children of gay parents. Oh wait…no they aren’t.

    ‘I can’t be a princess without a king and queen’ – We’ve managed it here in the UK. We have a Queen and a Prince-Consort.
    Also if you’re not a princess by birth then you’re never going to be a fucking princess. So shut up and let the rest of us get married.

  • iknklast

    I think we should outlaw green beans, people who wear their hat in restaurants, and Donny and Marie. Never mind that some people like to do these things. Never mind that there may be a handful of people out there who want to listen to Donny and Marie (maybe in the crowd above?). I don’t like them. I think they should be outlawed. ;-)

  • Rikitiki

    Ok, I’ll try –

    If not for our Adam and Eve
    I’d hardly know what to believe
    But we’ll use all our might
    ’cause it’s simply not “right”
    To marry an Adam and Steve

    (there, J.T. a ‘religious’ rhyme that makes about
    as much sense as those ‘reasons’ these people gave)

    • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Wait, rhymes are truth?

      Welp, I’m convinced.

      Digital Cuttlefishology is the Way! Repent, mammals, and join His rhyming, inky flock!

  • Randomfactor

    Actually, I think Marie Osmond just came out for marriage equality. Of course, her daughter’s a lesbian, IIRC.

    So once again, it was fair until it affected HER family.

  • Jeff

    These people aren’t even *trying*. It’s all “god’s way” this and “I don’t like it” that, as if either of those were good enough to justify what they want to do. As if either of those are good enough to justify *anything* beyond their own personal life choices.

  • invivoMark

    Does religion also make you stupid, or does the stupid make you religious?

    Okay, so maybe Stopera selected the dumbest ones to post, but I’m pretty sure the ones with grammatical errors outnumber the ones without – and they only had to write one sentence! Seriously, who doesn’t realize that “woman” is the singular and “women” is the plural?

    And I won’t even get into the logical fallacies.

    • Loqi

      Logical fallacies? What are you talking about? The Adam & Steve argument is bulletproof. Everyone knows that the Adam and Eve story established the way things must always be forever.

      If you don’t agree, then how come every man in the world is named Adam?
      Checkmate.

      • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

        Waitasecond… I know a Steve! I think I’m having one o’ dem existential conundrums again.

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ M

        Except for the murdering your brother part. We don’t encourage that part of the story, no sirree Bob! The rest of it though, totally the way to act in this world.

        Well, not the questioning authority part either. No thinking allowed! But the man and woman part, yeah, that part’s important.

  • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Using religious arguments against equality on the same page as an acronym for “You Only Live Once”?

    She hasn’t read her magic book, and nobody’s told her about what it says.

    • Loqi

      I didn’t even notice the yolo there. She took two of the dumbest sayings in the english language and put them on one page, enhanced the whole effect with the irony of the two. Apparently the stupid is greater than the sum of its parts.

      • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

        It is like a shining gem of stupidity, every stupid facet containing and reflecting the stupid whole.

        • Loqi

          If she wants ultimate shine, she should add a “bros before hoes.” It’s the perfect trifecta of sayings that identify the speaker as an asshole.

      • Andrew Kohler

        I find “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve” to be supremely enraging and offensive not just because of the callous contempt it evinces for the LGBT community. I am offended because it is not, never has been, and never will be clever or funny. It is so profoundly unoriginal that I am not willing to concede it was even original when it was first uttered (even though that actually makes no sense). And yet people seem to be so very pleased when they say it, because they think they have a clever phrase in their back pockets. This is obscenity against humor, logic, and compassion all at once. (Christopher Hitchens used to say, after all, that failure at being funny is a grave offense.) And yes, the inclusion of YOLO is extraordinary for all the reasons already mentioned.

  • http://Tyndalejean@gmail.comI Jean Tyndale

    Ignorance has been taught to them…hopefully they will learn to observe to comprehend the realities of life…you never know…it’s possible

  • http://anthrozine.com Cubist

    Of course you need God—
    A belief in good God—
    To be good in this vale of torment!
    ‘Coz without a good God
    (and He is a good God!)
    No human would know what that word meant.

  • Andrew Kohler

    I think the most disheartening of these is the one with the person talking about motherhood and fatherhood both being unique and then saying she “fiercely” supports legal protections for gay people. Does she support civil unions but no gay parenting, I wonder? The sad thing is that she doesn’t seem to realize just how incompatible her two stances are. She seems (insofar as one can judge a person from a photograph like this) to be someone who genuinely wants the best for people, and yet she holds beliefs that are demonstrably harmful. It makes me very :-(

    The other three signs, on the other hand, are just depressingly solipsistic and oblivious. I have already addressed Adam and Steve above, but would like to comment on the other two offenses here:

    “I can’t see myself being with a women [sic] ewww”

    Nor can I (although I feel no need to say “ewww”). But I am not under the strange misapprehension that allowing other people to do things forces me to do them myself; hence, I do not feel compelled for my own self-preservation to prevent anyone from marrying a women [sic]. As others have already noted, the idea that we should all advocate laws banning things we don’t personally like is highly problematic, not least because it would lead to essentially everything being illegal.

    As to the princess thing, this is sooooooooo immature and narcissistic that I find myself amazed. And bear in mind I’ve volunteered for LGBT rights groups and read far, far, far more anti-gay drivel than can possibly be healthy for a person. It’s not easy to amaze me, but this statement has managed to do so. The word “vacuity” comes to mind.

    I’m looking at the other 16 photographs and they are no better. Nor are the 14 photos of studentsvoting for the Minnesota anti-gay amendment (hahahahaha that FAILED!) This latter page is labeled inaccurately as “14 Students Voting to Ban Gay Marriage” when in fact three photos have two people, making the total number 17. Two notably bizarre reasons from this one are “I’m voting yes because marriage is a picture of Christ & the Church” and “Marriage is a spiritual covenant, not a secular issue” (if that were true, it would be unconstitutional for the government to issue marriage licenses at all). On both pages, there is plenty of invocation of God and the Bible. Well, check this out, young opponents of equal rights:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

    There are some positions, including equal rights, for which I am certain of the rightness of my position. The reason I am convinced with such a high degree of certitude (not something I generally consider to be a virtue) is because not only have I never heard a convincing argument against my position, and even more importantly I have never been convinced that the other side (at least as far as its leadership) really cares about the people whom they are adversely affecting.

    • http://smingleigh.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

      Likewise, she probably cannot see herself lovingly penetrating the love of her life with a penis. Ban males! Ewww!

  • Steve

    Why do they always hate on Steve? :(

  • fwtbc

    alt text?

    • Joe

      The first sign reads:
      Cause it’s the right thing. I can’t see my self being with a women ewww (unhappy face)

      The second reads:
      Fatherhood & motherhood are unique and both necessary. But I do fiercely believe our law must protect gay citizens!

      The third reads:
      Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve yolo

      The fourth says:
      I can’t be a princess without a king & a queen (heart)

  • Thumper1990

    Shorter #1: “Gay people are icky!”
    Shorter #2: “I’m not homophobic but…”
    Shorter #3: “Goo gah-gah!” *waves crayon*
    Shorter #4: [Does not compute]

    …K. Well I’m convinced.


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