Dad responds to letter to the editor on Sodom and Gommorah.

Father saw this letter to the editor in the local paper:

After seeing some of a documentary on TV about why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, well, I had to speak up. They said it was destroyed because the people lacked hospitality. Really?

Read Genesis 19:1-13. Two angels came to Lot to take him and his family out of the city before they destroyed them. But, the men of the cities wanted Lot to give them the two men (so they could know them). Not, “Hello, how can we make your stay more comfortable?” Lot told them, “You can take my daughters.” Now, what was he thinking? The angels had to strike the perverts blind to get away from them. Read it, Genesis 19:1-13, old KJV.

Oh, by the by, it doesn’t matter if you like it or not, God didn’t ask me or you our opinion.

Ugh.  “God didn’t ask your opinion”.  No, he didn’t.  But neither did he say jack shit on the issue.  Just like every other religion, people claiming to speak on his behalf did, and absent any evidence or reason to consider them an authority their opinions mean about as much to me as Justin Beiber’s career.

Dad took a swing at the letter:

A lot of people don’t really read the Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. I read it. I find nowhere–repeat, NOWHERE–does it say homosexuality was the reason for god’s destruction of the cities. Since it is your reference, can you please provide that quote for me? I could understand the mistaken notion that the crime was homosexual RAPE or bestiality (angels aren’t men), but you would have to be in a fantasy world to manufacture anything resembling homosexual love in the story.

You DO understand the difference between heterosexual rape and heterosexual lovemaking, don’t you? Yeah, well, homosexual rape and homosexual lovemaking have the same difference.

Anyway, what it definitely DID say in Genesis Chapter 19 verse 8 (KJV): Lot the righteous good guy says: “Behold, now, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes….”

Now there is a great lesson for us. Lot (the only righteous good guy worth saving in the city) offers to send his two virgin daughters out to be gang raped! As an aside, if all the men are homosexuals, why even bother to offer to send out virgin girls? What interest would homosexual men have in girls? Does this make any kind of sense?

I am astonished that you people focus on the homosexuality that isn’t even mentioned and ignore the invitation to toss out young virgin girls for gang rape that is specifically stated. “Here, crowd, rape my virgin daughters as much as you want”.

That’s sick.

But wait, there’s more! How about a little incest and pedophilia from the only truly righteous people worth saving from Sin City?

Moving on to Genesis Chapter 19 verses 32+36: “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father……Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.”

How can you people ignore this type of incestuous pedophilia that is clearly and undeniably there while focusing on homosexuality that isn’t there? Where is your head? Oh, yeah, Let’s get Daddy likkered up and jump his bones. We’re the Good Guys! We’re the Role Models!

Either you are incredibly desperate or you don’t read your own reference….or both. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for:
Social injustice: Isiah: 1:9; 3:9
General immorality: Jeremiah 23-14
Ezekial 16:48-49 states that incredibly clearly:
“As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.”

It seems just from reading a few passages in the story of Sodom that the problem is not homosexuality, but is social injustice, even though an implied case could be made for rape . Lot offers his daughters to the group of men, but asks them to spare the angels because they have come under the “shelter of his roof,” and he is responsible for them, so honoring that trust is more important than his daughter’s virginity. The men are rapists.

Isiah says that God says “Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, rescue the oppressed, defend the orphan, plead for the widow.” The remedy doesn’t seem to address the problem of homosexuality, it addresses the problem of worldliness, idolatry in the form of paying more attention to money and power than God, and social injustice.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • Glodson

    If you want to know what the Bible actually says, find an atheist and ask us.

    We’ve read the fucker.

    • busterggi

      Somebody ought to, believers don’t.

    • Mackinz

      Some have, some haven’t.

      But I can certainly that we’re generally more knowledgeable about it than your average Christian.

      • Glodson

        I was being a little tongue-in-check. I will say that many atheists in the US are well versed in the majority religion.

        I would hazard the same follows in other heavily religious parts of the world.

  • Art_Vandelay

    We just passed gay marriage a few weeks ago and I came across this letter to the editor as this was going on as referencing S&G as well. You can’t make this shit up…

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8739179514_e7cc3e8e28.jpg

    • Spuddie

      Am I the only one who finds the irony of Christian Fundamentalist nonsense in the state founded by people fleeing Christian Fundamentalist nonsense?

    • http://www.facebook.com/park.james.102 Park James

      That is probably the most profound question that man has ever asked. I can just see him sitting there, spending hours editing those two short paragraphs, feeling soooooo proud that he had come up with a question that was unanswerable, a question that would stump any scholar on the planet. “Check mate!”, his stunted, barely functioning brain thought. Even though the editor probably only ran this response to highlight the writer’s stupidity, I can’t help feeling upset knowing that the moron writer feels acknowledged in some way. But hey, I’m a spiteful godless asshole, so I’m going to be miserable all the time. (Partial jk)

      • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.kohler.338 Andrew Kohler

        “Even though the editor probably only ran this response to highlight the writer’s stupidity….”

        I certainly hope so, because surely publishing something of such low caliber can have no other justification. I’m not astonished that someone wrote this; I’m astonished that it was printed.

    • Zinc Avenger

      And how did the destruction of Tokyo by Godzilla affect the local economy? These are important questions.

      • islandbrewer

        It obviously spurred them to invest in new infrastructure and anti-giant monster defense projects, creating the economic engine of the military-industrial-giant monster fighting complex.

  • Rain

    Ezekiel was ranting about prostitutes, by the way. He was one angry incoherent ranting dude.

    • islandbrewer

      Were there any bible dudes who wed coherent or happy?

      • Rain

        I suppose everything was all hunky-dory there for a while in Genesis 1. All downhill from there!

  • http://www.facebook.com/RandyJReed Randy Reed

    I love your dad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bev.stapleton.3 Bev Stapleton

    JT, you Dad rocks! I love reading stories about your Dad. He seems like he’s quite a pistol. And of course, he is right.

  • AJ Butterwick

    (I’ve been waiting for a post about your parents so I could ask this:)

    JT, when you got in trouble with your parents as a kid, as kids generally do, when they sat you down and explained what was going on, could you do anything other than sit there and say, “I find your logic unassailable”?

    • Glodson

      If only JT had the full use of the internet in his formative years.

      He could have pulled out the “How do you know, where you there?” and then Godwin the lecture in hopes of short-circuiting their brains.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.kohler.338 Andrew Kohler

    Another important thing to note about the story of Sodom is the reason the mob gives for refusing to rape the daughters. It’s not because they were so intent on having sex with a man and didn’t like the idea of heterosexual intercourse (as if the will to gang rape is remotely comparable to normal sexual desire), as some people claim. Rather:

    Genesis 19:9 (first part of the verse): But they said, “Stand back! The fellow,” they said, “came here as an alien, and already he acts the ruler! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” [translation by the Jewish Publication Society, which is clearer for this verse than the KJV]

    They are clearly xenophobes who resent the angel for acting like he’s better than they are (although it doesn’t take much to be better than a mob of would-be rapists, now does it). Like JT’s dad says so well, *this is in no way comparable to consensual sex between adults,* and I am appalled that anyone would say otherwise.It just goes to show how little understanding these people have about human sexuality.


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