Playing Magic: the Gathering is kind of like selling drugs.

I’m so torn.  I love Magic: the Gathering.  It’s a load of fun.  But according to the Women of Grace blog it could seriously have a negative impact on my life…

I would shut down the playing of this game as soon as possible. As you’ll read later in this post, it has caused problems in children who just want to have fun and don’t realize how harmful it can be to play a game that requires you to play the role of a sorcerer who uses magic powers to slay your enemies.

Oh geez…if only I’d known!  I thought I was just playing a fantasy card game.  I didn’t know this was a doorway into the actual occult!  Does Dr. David Burger know about this?  What about Emily Dietle?  We must get word to them at once, perhaps by mystical missive or on a great quest across the mountains of….NO!!!  Shit.

Tell me more about your research into this topic.

Thanks to the excellent research of Marcia Montenegro and her blog, Christian Answers to the New Age (one of my favorite sources for information about the occult and New Age), I can report that this game was created in 1993 by a mathematician and Dungeons and Dragons enthusiast named Richard Garfield. Sold by Wizards of the Coast, it is a trading card game using cards that are linked to five different kinds of magic (as in sorcery, not tricks) which are labeled as “red, blue, green, white or black.” Players, who represent sorcerers, use the cards to destroy their opponent before their opponent destroys them, mostly through the use of spells, enchantments and fantasy creatures such as Chaos, Orb, Bad Moon and Animate Dead.

“Like Dungeons & Dragons, the famed role-playing game, Magic is a challenging game that calls for intricate strategy and shrewd plays,” Montenegro writes. “However, that strategy is worked out within the dark context of the occult.”

Oh man.  I didn’t know.  So…it’s ok to believe in actual magic so long as you believe Jesus was the sorcerer, but to fantasize about magic that you don’t really believe in could lead me down the path to the  Got it.  So I need to really believe in wizardry in order to avoid becoming a slave to the occult.

And created by a Dungeons & Dragons enthusiast?  We all know what D&D does to children:

Terrifying.

But I’ve noticed a real lack of real world consequences laid out in the blog post for playing the game.  So far the Women of Grace article just says MTG is part of the occult and is working on the starting assumption that the occult is bad.  Can you maybe give me something that really conveys how immoral playing this happy, fun, enjoyable game is and how it could ultimately destroy my life?

She goes on to posit another type of game – called Pusher – in which players pretend to be dealers rather than sorcerers. “Each player is a drug dealer trying to win by selling the most drugs and getting rid of the competition. The game could be made complex by introducing challenges from the law, prison, gangs, impure products, etc. So, how comfortable would you be playing Pusher? Would the message against drugs and the role of pretending to sell drugs seem hypocritical to you? Sorcery is no less dangerous and no more moral than drugs; in fact, there is a long-time connection between the two.”

So pretending to cast Swords to Plowshares is like shooting heroin?  Well golly, I don’t want to shoot heroine, and I certainly don’t want to sell drugs.  I don’t want to do something that is so dangerous!  I guess I’ll just stop playing and deal with the withdrawals.  Maybe I can check myself into an MTG rehab facility for recovering users.

Hey!  I googled MTG rehab facility and they don’t have any.  And my research shows that nobody is in jail for selling MTG cards.  I’m starting to think that playing MTG and imagining myself as a warrior/sorcerer isn’t like doing/selling drugs at all…

Remember, both the Bible (Deuteronomy 18) and the Catechism (No. 2117) explicitly condemn sorcery, calling those who practice it “an abomination” to the Lord.

I can only wonder why on earth anyone would want to “pretend” to be someone that God has labeled an “abomination”?

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that we want to engage in “abominations” because they’re so damned super fun, with no apparent downside apart from the annoying finger-wagging of people who claim to be delivering real threats from god about what will happen in the afterlife if we do fun stuff.  But it seems to me the pestering of prim, old-fashioned mortals is the problem, not the abominations themselves.

Seriously, if you’re going to make eating shrimp an abomination, why make them taste so good?

If you’re going to make pre-marital sex a sin, why’d you make it feel so good (and a healthy part of human psychology)?

Dick move, god.

You know…never mind.  I think that post was just written by a group of humorless women searching desperately for something to shit their pants about.  I think MTG is ok.

  • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

    Having been a DCI judge for the last….oh gees…7 years now! I can say I’ve seen a few folks that may need help for compulsive disorders, but the crowd ranges every possible kind of geek out there.
    Oh yeah, and I once was accused of being a ‘relapsed wana-be christian’ because of my collection of angels (almost every single one ever printed, almost every alternate art printing of them). Because liking the art meant I must not be a ‘real atheist’.
    Nutcases abound.

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      But but the angel art is some of the prettiest art! And it foils up so nicely!

    • Glodson

      This has been rattling around in my head for the past hour. It is… nonsense. Liking the art and the cards makes you a not real atheist?

      I don’t see how people think like that. It would be like people banging on me for running a faith build in a game like I. I do so because it is fun, and some of the miracles are useful. But I don’t think my actions in a virtual world where giant demons and fire-breathing dragons is indicative of my worldview set in a world without those, and no magic.

      So I don’t see how liking the artistic depiction of an angel is reflective of anything other than liking the art.

      • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

        I really didn’t understand it either. I still don’t. Same person used the same kind accusation when she found out I still have the bible I received as a kid in Sunday school. Because owning a bible is proof of…what?

        • Glodson

          I still own a bible. It was a gift from my parents, and it does hold sentimental value, aside from being a good reference.

          Hell, everyone should own a Bible and read it. The mythology will still be important as it is referenced many times in many works. In much the same way being familiar with Greek myth is quite useful for anyone reading any Western Literature. And if one is going to read books from other parts of the world, knowing their myths and traditions is important as well.

      • invivoMark

        Dude, my intelligence-based big-magic-sword-wielding warrior could kick your character’s faith-based butt! Your gods cannot save you!

        I like to play characters that I like and can relate to, so clerics and priests are out, and if there’s a faith statistic, it’ll be my lowest. All of my D&D characters are atheists, too (which can be interesting, especially when we’re questing for a church).

        But if you want to play a cleric, I support that. Game how you want to game. That’s why we game in the first place.

        • Glodson

          The one thing I would say is that faith in a setting where priests can raise the dead, and cast spells, actually is rather rational. Calling it faith as we understand it might not make sense. It is one thing to believe that a god which you cannot see, and has no noticeable effect on the world exists. It is even worse to base your worldview on this notion.

          But if you live in a world were a god can come over to your house and kick you in the crotch, and his priests are healing amputees, then it is harder to deny the existence of that god.

          • invivoMark

            Yes, that’s a good point. And it’s why my D&D characters don’t believe that the gods don’t exist… they just believe that what other people call “Gods” are just Douchebags of Extraordinary Power. ;-)

          • Glodson

            I suppose that’s another weakness of calling them gods. As we have a vision of what a god should be. But then in other mythologies, “Douchebags of Extraordinary Power” describes many gods quite well, even their followers would agree.

          • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

            I’ve always enjoyed the pantheons of the Forgotten Realms for these concepts. Over/Under and Inbetween gods of all flavours. It’s a rehash of Tolkien/Egyption myth, but with an interesting twist of letting mortals potentially become gods themselves in certain cases.

            That and Elminster was a badass…

            I had three ‘favourite’ books growing up, the bible (til I was 17), a book of Greek Mythology (lots of pictures) and The Making of the Mage by Ed Greenwood..

          • http://twitter.com/sqlrob Rob

            “It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the Disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going round to atheists’ houses and smashing their windows.” – Terry Pratchett

          • Glodson

            Yes, the only successful atheist on the Disc is Dorfl, by virtue of being ceramic and lighting proof.

      • baal

        Theme decks are half the fun. Art preference doesn’t necessarily say that much about a person but in MMOs, the small minded get tripped up. I play both male and female toons and occasionally get grief for ‘leading others astray’. Like that one time I was playing a cow person (tauren) and this male orc comes up to me offering to milk me….

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Evans/1017276335 John Evans

          I’ve played green-white wolf and wurm decks. Not super effective, but fun. “Oh look, ANOTHER wolf…”

        • Jeff

          Funny how they always get worked up about misrepresenting yourself as a female when you’re not one in real life, but nobody cares that you’re portraying yourself as a spell-casting anthropomorphized bovine (“cow” is technically a gender-specific term, not that many people besides farmers really care).

        • digitalatheist

          Used to have a deck that was a landwalk deck based around Thicket Basilisk and Lure.. with Regen. Get the basilisk out for control… any creature that attacked it died.. lure made every creature attack basilisk… regen… well.. regen.. meanwhile creatures that could land walk didn’t care how many critters were on the board.. Got a few evil looks in battle circles… lol.. and a lot of fireballs and stuff sent my way… Not the best deck ever.. but fun when things worked out.

    • islandbrewer

      What does it say that I have a black/white bat/angel flying deck?

      • Silent Service

        You like Meatloaf?

        • islandbrewer

          Only before he went all Tea Baggity.

      • invivoMark

        You like M.C. Escher?

      • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

        You really loved Ravnica when it gave you the Ohrzov tools?
        Also makes a great deck to put into Oreo sleeves…

  • Glodson

    “Like Dungeons & Dragons, the famed role-playing game, Magic is a
    challenging game that calls for intricate strategy and shrewd plays,”
    Montenegro writes. “However, that strategy is worked out within the dark
    context of the occult.”

    This makes total sense if you believe this is a factual accounting of Dungeons and Dragons.

    But really, they don’t want people to pretend to use magic as those people might realize that prayer is much the same thing as taping two swamps to play a creature. With the exception that by playing the creature, you might actually do something in the real world if it is just to win the game.

    • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

      TWO swamps? Please, that’s what Dark Ritual was made for….

      • Glodson

        It was the first thing I could think of, and I wanted something with the Black Mana pool. For extra evil.

        It has been too long since I played, so I cannot think of specific cards off the bat. Not that I was any good, but I had fun losing at people.

        • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

          No worries, was trying to weave in a little extra ‘evil’ there too. Because nothing says ‘dark forces of evil and corruption’ like Swamp -> Dark Rtiual -> Endless Cockroaches. All hail Richard Garfield!

        • John H

          My first thought was Black Knight. Maybe they’d like it more if someone showed them an angel deck?

  • Silent Service

    Actually I would consider playing Magic more like being a drug user than a drug dealer. Is this the new MTG Anonymous meeting? Do we get our own 12 step program?

    My name is Silent Service and I am a MTG player.

  • http://twitter.com/sqlrob Rob

    Have to buy more packs to stay with the game. Sounds like drugs to me :D

    /played a couple of times with someone else’s cards
    //Just bought Android: Netrunner, let’s see how that goes

    • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

      Highly enjoy A:Netrunner. Great a-symmetrical game.

      Also, no you don’t have to buy ‘more packs’ to stay with the game. It depends on what you want to do. Me? Been playing/judging forever now, I don’t buy stuff for decks, if I’m paying its to pay for Drafts/Sealed events. Don’t have to worry about kids bringing in 300$ decks into casual, everyone has the same chances. Check limited out, its great.

    • Glodson

      I don’t know about you, but I don’t play anymore because I’ve been mainlining my cards for years.

      Or… I just don’t have the time and money like I used to have. Not sure which.

      • islandbrewer

        How? I can’t fit the cards into the needle! I still just smoke them.

        Gah, those were the days. I remember when a dime bag of Ice Age booster packs was only $20.

    • Zinc Avenger

      Love Netrunner. Mess with my Corp and you’ll wake up in an institution screaming at the spiders in your head.

  • Artor

    It’s really hard to shoot a heroine if she’s wearing a +5 bikini of deflection. But to be fair, MTG has been referred to as “cardboard crack.”

  • http://twitter.com/emilyhasbooks Emily Dietle

    My zerg of goblins will crush your deck AND YOUR SOUL! MWAHAHAHA!

    • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

      You sure you want to use a bunch of 1/1 dudes, when these cards exist?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Evans/1017276335 John Evans

        A well built horde’o’numpties deck can be a terrifying thing to behold. Because usually, they don’t stay 1/1 for long.

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Oh I know. I’ve played off and on; goblin hordes, elven hordes, and white weenie are all potentially very powerful decks. I was just grumpy and uncaffeinated :P

  • Pulse

    Oh, and here I thought you/she would talk about how the addiction to card games once bled my bank account dry and disrupted healthy social interactions. But I guess that’s not as dangerous as pretending to summon monsters pictured on two-dimentional pieces of cardboard.

    Kidding aside, there is nothing at all wrong with the game, per se, but its marketing model can lead to damaging addictions.

    • baal

      I attack with all three frozen shades.

      You have to power them up before you attack so I know how I want to defend.

      No, I get to do that after you declare defenders.

      Well that’s not fair.

      Here’s the rule book.

      Screw the rule book, here’s the pay power up offical rule from the WTG website, ” 508.1h If any of the costs require mana, the active player then has a chance to activate mana abilities (see rule 605, “Mana Abilities”).”

      Ugh, that’s for the costs to attack, the rule you want is, “509.5. Fifth, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.” Notice it’s after the attacker and defender pay costs to attack or defend and that it’s “may”.

      /end scene
      Dear reader, what happened next was not pretty and I, your humble narrator, have left it out. Suffice it to say that objects were thrown and harsh words exchanged. Much like what happens when folks sell drugs (or not).

      • Pulse

        Okay, there are a few things wrong with the game. I’m glad I got out when I did.

      • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

        And this is why I enjoy being a Judge (and baseball umpire), diffusing these situations and explaining how things really work. Some call it being a ‘rules lawyer’, but I always viewed it as a scientists getting to the heart of how and why things work. MTG has a really good set of rules for that. Almost ZERO ambiguity in 15 years and 15,000 cards of how things work. That’s an accomplishment that takes dedication to keep straight.

  • BobaFuct

    So I guess a Chronicles of Narnia or Lord of the Rings card game would be evil too? Oh, no wait, those novels were allegories for Jeebus or whatever, so the witches and wizards and dark lords in those stories are okay.

    • digitalatheist

      Actually, I have an old Lord of the Rings Tarot deck, that can also be used to play as a game… don’t remember the rules… but hey… you tried to possess the ring ;-)

  • Loqi

    I run a green/white marijuana/cocaine deck, so this comparison is totally legit.

    • lawrence090469

      Blue meth deck beats you my friend.

    • John H

      I agree; I’m just putting the finishing touches on my black tar heroin deck.

  • invivoMark

    I’m sure these people would much rather see youth play more wholesome card games that don’t have an element of roleplay. Like, say, Cards Against Humanity.

  • Jeff

    As a philosophical aside, each of the 5 colors is associated with a different “personality” and outlook. Black is characterized as being the color of the self, and is thus traditionally portrayed as evil because black mages are only interested in furthering their own goals, at the expense of whoever happens to need to be expended at any given moment.

    And then there’s white, which the people at Wizards have said on several occasions is similarly evil. It rarely comes through on the cards, but white’s character is that of the group. To a white mage, the individual does not matter at all; the group does. Often this is portrayed as heroic self-sacrifice, or the coming-together of many to make an unstoppable, cohesive unit… but it’s also a necessary ingredient in fascism. Most angels are white, and pretty much anything with “holy” in its name is also. So there’s that.

    • http://twitter.com/OTOC_Laury Laury Plant

      The philosophy of the color pie has always been interesting to me, ever since the first ‘dual color’ cards and the justification why some colors ‘work together’ and others were enemys. WoTC hasn’t always been consistent on it, but they paint an interesting picture with their arguments.

  • Jayn

    I would TOTALLY play Pusher, and I wouldn’t feel bad with it at all. BECAUSE IT’S NOT REAL. I mean, I play Saint’s Row but it doesn’t make me want to shoot hookers and rob banks (at least, not IRL, because it would be a lot more work, a lot bigger mess, a lot more dangerous, and if something went wrong there’s no reset button. Also, because the RL physics engine doesn’t send people flying a mile into the air when you run them over)

    These people seem to miss that the fun of these things is that they’re fake.

  • DavidMHart

    As far as I can tell, she’s not comparing playing MTG to being a drug dealer; she’s comparing playing MTG to playing a game in which you are a drug dealer.

    Like this one, perhaps?

    (watch out, that one’s quite addictive).

    It’s still a silly objection because

    a) in lots and lots of games you do things that you’d disapprove of in real life. Super Mario Brothers is almost entirely premised on killing turtles by jumping on them, after all, and

    b) there is nothing inherently evil about selling drugs to willing, informed purchasers (for instance, we don’t consider bartenders to be evil, and their entire job is running a drug consumption room) – it’s only because of the fact that we have as a society abdicated control of the market in certain drugs to criminals that we end up with some of the most dangerous drugs being marketed by the people least likely to operate that market responsibly.

    Thus an analogy fail on two different levels.

    • Medea Ginger Hertz

      That game is very addictive! and very interesting.

      As to your points about games having you do things you disaprove of in real life, I completely agree. Few days ago I tried a board game called Endeavor that had a deck called “slavery”. It was interesting to see everyone react to it.

  • Ken Browning

    My retired Pentecostal dad has tried to cast demons out of me several times. I tell him to take his witchcraft elsewhere.

    • Glodson

      I am sure he’s just sick of you use demons in your decks. He probably just thinks they are OP.

  • http://twitter.com/aparticularA Robert Fuller

    She was close. MTG isn’t like selling drugs, it’s like doing drugs. It’s fun, more fun with other people, and expensive as shit.

  • http://twitter.com/WCLPeter Rob U

    Haven’t played Magic in years, but I got in on the ground floor when
    they first came out – original Alpha sets before they introduced the
    rules limiting the number of cards of the same type you could have in a
    deck.

    Mucked around with different deck styles but my absolute
    favourite one was a black deck with about 50% lands, 10% instants /
    artifacts to get me out of jams, and the other 40% of the deck being
    made up entirely of Plauge
    Rats.
    With only 3 mana each and no limit to the numbers I
    could put down in a turn, combined with the rat’s toughness and strength
    stacking based on the number on the table, plus the added bonus of each
    card being considered a separate creature, I could defend with one rat
    and attack with the rest – made short work of the enemies and I’d win
    quite quickly.

    I’m the first to admit it was overkill, not to
    mention excessively <a
    href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchkin_%28role-playing_games%29"munchkin,
    but the looks on the opponents faces when they started to realize I had
    virtually nothing in my deck but Black Lands and Plague Rats – that in a
    few turns I’d be virtually unstoppable unless they lucked out and got
    those artifacts and instants that would neutralize the swarm, assuming
    they even got put in their deck – was priceless.

    I didn’t play
    with that deck too often, and never in tournaments – it didn’t seem
    sporting, I stopped playing after a while when I realized the game was
    sucking up so much of my money. That being said, I do have fond
    memories of it.

    Now if only I’d not been so stupid to think, 15
    years later, that no one was really interested in the game anymore. My
    sister worked in a group home and the kids played Magic, she asked me to
    donate my old cards so the kids could have some new cards to play with.
    So, thinking they had no value, I gave my old deck away – I had
    TWO Black Lotus
    and the full Mox Set! I openly wept when I found out a couple of years
    later just how much that was worth, did I mention they were all Alpha? I
    still can’t believe I gave away a down payment on a
    decent house!

    • http://twitter.com/WCLPeter Rob U

      Sorry about that, I don’t know what happened – here’s the, hopefully, corrected version…

      Haven’t played Magic in years, but I got in on the ground floor when they first came out – original Alpha sets before they introduced the rules limiting the number of cards of the same type you could have in a deck.

      Mucked around with different deck styles but my absolute favourite one was a black deck with about 50% lands, 10% instants / artifacts to get me out of jams, and the other 40% of the deck being made up entirely of Plague Rats. With only 3 mana each and no limit to the numbers I could put down in a turn, combined with the rat’s toughness and strength stacking based on the number on the table, plus the added bonus of each card being considered a separate creature, I could defend with one rat and attack with the rest – made short work of the enemies and I’d win quite quickly.

      I’m the first to admit it was overkill, not to mention excessively munchkin, but the looks on the opponents faces when they started to realize I had virtually nothing in my deck but Black Lands and Plague Rats – that in a few turns I’d be virtually unstoppable unless they lucked out and got those artifacts and instants that would neutralize the swarm, assuming they even got put in their deck – was priceless.

      I didn’t play with that deck too often, and never in tournaments – it didn’t seem sporting, I stopped playing after a while when I realized the game was sucking up so much of my money. That being said, I do have fond memories of it.

      Now if only I’d not been so stupid to think, 15 years later, that no one was really interested in the game anymore. My sister worked in a group home and the kids played Magic, she asked me to donate my old deck so the kids could have some new cards to play with. So, thinking they had no value, I gave my old deck away – I had TWO Black Lotus and full Mox Set! I openly wept when I found out a couple of years later just how much that was worth, did I mention they were all Alpha? I still can’t believe I gave away a down payment on a decent house!

  • John H

    Sorcerers? SORCERERS??? Try Plainswalkers who bend the very fabric of reality to our wills! We SUMMON sorcerers to do our bidding! Tremble before my absurdly expensive collection of printed cardstock!

    Also, the thing she posits as “Pusher” already exists in multiple forms, but my favorite is definitely the 90s computer game Chaos Overlords. It’s a bit simplistic by today’s standards, but still satisfying.

  • digitalatheist

    Oh for the love… can we play Nevinyrral’s Disk already and wipe the slate clean?? or at least a Wrath of God or Armageddon to at least get some of the dross off the table? Some days with the way these people propagate it is enough to make you think some one pulled out Mog Justice.
    Yeah.. I used to play… would love to get back in but… life… sigh.

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