Skepticon needs money. If you have money, consider giving it to Skepticon.

Skepticon is a conference for, frankly, everybody – and that includes the poor.  So many times we thought “If we just charge $10 to get in, that’s $10,000 or more!  That would help so much!”  But we never did it, because the fact remains that some people simply don’t have $10 to spare, and they need to be able to attend too.  There must be one event that dissolves the various financial classes and allows all atheists to come together.  That was what we dreamed Skepticon would be, and it became more than we could’ve ever hoped for.

But absent the income from charging admission, the Skepticon organizers must scramble to raise even more money.  Here’s an infographic Lauren Lane made.  It shows how the budget for Skepticon works.  Upon clicking it and doing some math, you might say “Hey, does this mean that Skepticon costs $39,100 to put on?”  Yes.  Yes it does.

And since I’m back on the board of directors for Skepticon, I can tell you that the event doesn’t have nearly that much money raised.  So please help out if you can.  If you want to inspire new activists with your money, this is the place to do it.  Young people, high schoolers, college students, and people who have never been able to afford to go to a conference, this is where they meet PZ Myers and Seth Andrews and the rest of their heroes.  I cannot tell you how many emails I’ve gotten from people telling me that after Skepticon they decided to try to change the world.

It’s a noble idea that is being put together by a team of very competent people (Lauren Lane is back to being the lead organizer).  They will do wonders with the money, but they can’t produce money out of thin air.

Even if you don’t plan on attending, consider donating for all the good this event does.

There are a couple fundraisers running right now.  The first is the Shelley Segal song-writing fundraiser.

I’m sure you’ve heard by now that Shelley has agreed to come play at Skepticon this year. But, did you know that to fly from Australia to Springfield costs about as much as 2,000 dollar menu breakfast burritos?

To help cover the costs of all these burrito–er plane tickets, Shelley has graciously agreed to do a songwriting fundraiser with us!

Here’s how it works: There are 3 song options, Skepticon, Unicorn, and Dinosaur. Whichever category that raises the most funds by August 31st at 9pm CST WINS and Shelly will write a song about that topic and perform it at Skepticon 6!

BUT WAIT! There’s more!

The donor that gives the largest donation overall wins the opportunity to be serenaded on stage by Shelley as she sings the chosen song at our event this year*. All of your fanperson dreams can come true!

Below are the buttons for each of the songs, remember to choose wisely and be sure to share the one that you want to win!

The Dogma Debate podcast is also raising money for Skepticon:

$200 - Aron Ra will debate Rachel Brown on evolution: but Aron has to defend the Creationist position.

$400 - David Smalley will use a recorded line to call a healing ministry and request a refund, or “extra prayers” because “the pain came back.”$600 – Aron Ra will give his Skepticon talk dressed as a Jedi Knight

$800- Rachel Brown will shoot 6 rounds from a 12g shot gun. (on video)

$1,000 – Producer, Trent Brusky will open-air preach in Florida using crazy bible verses about not eating shrimp, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the Sabbath, etc. (on video)

$1,500- Surprise.

$2,000 – David Smalley will get a tattoo of the Human Rights Campaign logo (=) (on video)

Please consider making a donation, even if it’s just $5.  A few thousand people (Hey!  This blog has quite a a few thousand readers!) all donating $5 is still a handsome sum.  It would go a long way.  And even if you can’t donate, you can still help by spreading the word.  Link this post on all your social media, tell your friends.

Thanks everybody.  *hug*

  • quickshot

    You are begging for money so your “good cause” can continue. Many Christians/Jews/spiritualists are already asking for money for their “good cause”. However, their “good cause” can actually lead to children being fed.

    Tell me, JT, how you can expect to hold a candle to that AND receive donations at the same time.

    • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com/ Ubi Dubium

      The theists “good cause” often results in hungry homeless children being given bibles and sermons and guilt, when what they need is food and shelter and education. Our “good cause” will help people think more clearly, and make better decisions, which benefits everybody in the long run.

      • quickshot

        Bibles with food is much better than “thinking clearly” without food. Wouldn’t you agree?

        • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com/ Ubi Dubium

          Food without bibles is better than food with bibles. Thinking clearly is always good. (And we already do the “food” part, check out the Foundation Beyond Belief. Or Kiva)
          And we don’t spend any money on extravagant pointy buildings, or fancy altars, or clergy, or televangelism, so we can spare some to support Skepticon. These conferences are how we get together with each other and figure out what causes to work on, and find the like-minded people to join in on projects. We spend a lot less on these gatherings than an average believer spends supporting church buildings and hierarchy, that also do nothing to feed the poor.

        • eccles11

          Would food and food be better than bibles with food? Maybe you should find some Christian sites to troll, convince them to stop wasting money on bibles and use it on money to save more starving children. You could also go to every kickstarter and indiegogo project and convince people to stop putting their money into things other than feeding starving children. Heck, you could even write a bot that automatically finds the projects and posts on them, or instead of saying your time writing a bot, you could feed some starving children.

          • quickshot

            I am astounded how around these blogs, disagreement = trolling, or “dumb argument”. Where have all the true freethinkers gone?

          • eccles11

            Forgive me if you aren’t trolling. What you said was a classic example of “appeal to worse problems fallacy”, which is why it wasn’t taken seriously.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_worse_problems

          • quickshot

            No worries!

            That’s an interesting fallacy. I wonder if there is another name for it? I also wonder if Christians commit the same fallacy when a church decides to build a sanctuary as opposed to spending the money on food for the poor?

          • baal

            It’s not a fallacy when the church takes donations specifically as help for the poor and then uses it to build a sanctuary. Or when they take money to feed the poor but divert part of those funds to buy bibles to hand out with the free lunch. Skepticon has no underlying diversion issue.

          • Artor

            Sorry, no. What you’re seeing here is dumb argument = dumb argument. It’s not just that we disagree with you, it’s that you’re making really stupid arguments and doing a piss-poor job of supporting them.

          • quickshot

            If that is the case, then why have I received one comment that answers my question: “why does skepticon deserve our money?”. So far you have just been attacking me.

          • Artor

            If you want the answer to that question, then go to Skepticon’s website, where they will have all that info laid out just for your benefit. What you are doing is the equivalent of walking into a library and demanding that someone fix your car. And you wonder why nobody here has patience for your bullshit? Go figure.

          • quickshot

            It’s becoming clear that nobody has an answer to my question. This probably explains why Skepticon is in this position to begin with.

            No answers and more attacks. Go figure.

          • baal

            “This probably explains why Skepticon is in this position to begin with”

            Again QS – did you read the OP?

            It always needs supporters due to the nature of its mission and how it’s chosen to bring the good news of the light of reason to the masses.

          • Artor

            “Excuse me, do you know where I can find…”

            Sorry, no. You should ask someone who works here. There’s a guy right there.

            “Why are you attacking me?!?”

            WTF?

        • Donald Wheeler

          False equivalence. Bibles without food is WORSE than “thinking clearly” without food – same is true when food is present. You are attempting to conflate charity with religious parasitism – they are not equal. In all cases, Bibles = less food (i.e., money taken from food). If you have some problem with the “thinking clearly” vs Bibles part, please argue that.

          • quickshot

            I am not sure you can prove that non-violent atheists are any better off than non-violent believers. Thus, I would even challenge that Skepticon is even helping anyone. If they ARE helping, then that would be a great thing for them to demonstrate, no? That way, they are put in the same category as other humanists who raise money to help others. This just feels like raising money to help others have an enjoyable time. That’s A-OK if that is what SKepticon is about……just charge admission.

          • Donald Wheeler

            By using this statement “I am not sure you can prove that non-violent atheists are any better off than non-violent believers”, you have established there is little or no chance for them to ‘prove’ that they are doing so; thus, you must put forward your own evidence as to why it cannot be proven.

            Also, please explain how raising money to teach the ability to think skeptically is, in your words, not “in the same category as other humanists who raise money to help others”. You are making broad claims of non-relevance or non-utility for the secular claims without addressing the initial claims of bibles vs clear thinking. Please explain to me exactly and with examples how bibles without food is not worse than or, more precisely, is at least as good as clear thinking without food.

          • quickshot

            I have to prove why something cannot be proven? Do atheists have to prove that God cannot be proven?

            Then, please explain to me exactly and with examples of why Skepticon deserves a single dollar of mine.

          • Artor

            Why are you asking us? Go to the f*ing Skepticon website if you want that info.

          • quickshot

            Because this blog is asking for money. If JT doesnt want me asking this question here, he should only ask for money on the Skepticon website.

          • iknklast

            Quickshot – your question has been answered. And answered. And answered. We give food when food is asked for. I put in food to the food basket, and do not provide a copy of Richard Dawkin’s latest book. When the money is for a conference to bring people together, that is a different issue. When I was in church, I was frequently asked for money to send people on mission trips. Do you go to those spots and ask why they aren’t giving that money to food? That is the basic question that is being asked. It is simple. To everything there is a season – a time to give food, and a time to give money to Skepticon. Both of these are worthy causes. Neither of them needs to be neglected for the other, and if you can prove that we are neglecting giving food to hungry people, that we never give food to hungry people, and only give money to Skepticon, then you might have a point. But good luck on that. I know you certainly can’t prove it with me, and I suspect you can’t prove it with a lot of other people here. So you are just trying to be a pest. Once a question has been answered, it is no longer legitimate to continue demanding an answer, and you become a troll. That is why everyone is piling on.

          • quickshot

            Now this has moved to another issue: why are you labeling me a Christian? Could an atheist never ask the questions I am asking?

          • iknklast

            I don’t believe I labeled you a Christian? Honestly, I have reread my post, and I can’t exactly see anything that says, or suggests, that you are a Christian. I did mention when I used to be a Christian, but that is not the same thing, because I’m pretty sure I’m not you. If you can show me a single sentence in my post that said Quickshot is a Christian, or suggested Quickshot is a Christian, I will humbly eat my words, but I assure you, if it is there, it is totally a mystery to me, because I did not write such a thing, and I cannot see such a thing. Or is calling you a pest the same as calling you a Christian? If that is what you think I will here make a clarification. Not all pests are Christian. In fact, I will go so far as to say that not all Christians are pests.

          • iknklast

            And I will add this: it is totally possible for an atheist to be a pest. I’ve observed this phenomenon frequently, as well.

          • quickshot

            And I will eat mine. When you stated “Do you go to those spots and ask why they aren’t giving that money to food?” are you conceding that atheists cannot attack Christians for doing so? I guess I took this as you assumed I was currently seeing this in church.

          • baal

            You keep talking about atheists as though you’re not one of them. Take that “not an atheist” + “trolling behaviour” and the reasonable inference is that you’re yet another believer who engages in JAQing.

          • quickshot

            TIL: What JAQing is.

            Also, I think there is a problem with assuming one is a Christian/atheist/Jew, etc. I see that now.

          • baal

            It’s google-able but JAQing is Just Asking Questions. It’s one of many methods of trolling. Since many trolls ask questions when they don’t really care about the answers (or when they could easily google the answer if they really cared), you look like you’re being a jerk intentionally for asking simple questions that have readily apparent answers.

          • quickshot

            I have issues with ridiculing people for “asking too many questions”. I asked too many questions as church once…..it didn’t go well.

          • iknklast

            It isn’t about just asking questions. It’s about continuing to ask questions that have already been answered. Your questions have been answered. Even if you don’t like the answers, they have been answered.

          • quickshot

            Soooo….I shouldn’t ask questions in church if the pastor has given many answers?

          • Artor

            Sooo…you shouldn’t be deliberately dense and intentionally misinterpret what people say when they give clear, straightforward answers to your insincere questions.

          • quickshot

            “insincere questions”

            You sound like a pastor I knew once.

          • iknklast

            You continue asking the same questions that have been answered. And no, I didn’t continue to ask questions in church once the pastor gave answers. If he answered the question, and answered it several times over, there was no point. I left the church and got my answers somewhere else. I also do not allow my students to continue asking the same question over and over again once it has been answered and re-answered. That is merely a disruptive technique. Also, you can continue asking the same question all you want, but why bother? The answer is not going to change. You ask why you should donate to Skepticon, we answered. If you want to set up a discussion, you should engage with the actual points we have made, which you really are not doing, you continue to come back in, pick one small part of the post, and complain. You have made this about you. We are not treating you fairly. We are calling you Christian. We are telling you…This is not really about feeding the poor, is it? This is about quickshot.

          • baal

            It’s not a matter of too many, it’s a matter of wrong kind. Most of your questions were either answered in the OP (which i’m sure you read) or in the first few replies). You do have a duty to not be ultra-lazy and try self education via google and such.

          • quickshot

            Apparently they were the wrong kind if it took so long (and so much name calling) to get an answer.

          • iknklast

            You clearly misunderstood me. I was comparing this to asking why we give money to Skepticon, as I see this as a more accurate analogy to giving money to Skepticon than building churches or synagogues. I would certainly never imply that atheists could not ask those questions, as atheists ask that sort of questions all the time. I was merely asking if you have ever asked those questions, as a comparison to the extreme amount of attention you are paying to the fact that some atheists consider Skepticon a worthy cause, and you think we should be giving food. So, here is the question, stated so that you will understand that I am NOT implying you are a Christian:

            Do you feel compelled to ask Christians why they are giving money to missions instead of feeding people, whether you yourself are a Christian or not? Or is this a question you reserve only for atheists giving money to Skepticon instead of spending that money to feed people? This is totally independent of your relationship to any religious, non-religious, or anti-religious tradition.

          • quickshot

            “and you think we should be giving food”

            I was not trying to do that. I was only trying to ask why Skepticon is worth of our bucks.

            “Do you feel compelled to ask Christians why they are giving money to missions instead of feeding people”

            Nope nope nope. There are all sorts of charities, secular, religious, or otherwise that give money to what I consider frivolous causes. It’s a free country.

          • iknklast

            Then why are you spending so much time on this? If it’s a free country, then we are free to give our money. If you wish to know why to Skepticon, that has been answered, and could easily be answered more thoroughly by going to Skepticon’s website. Therefore, since you continue, I can only assume that people are right in accusing you of trolling.

          • quickshot

            This is absurd that I am labeled a troll. Is trolling really that bad on Patheos? HuffPo, maybe. CNN, definitely. But Patheos?

          • invivoMark

            I explained to you why you are labeled a troll, and why that label is accurate.

          • quickshot

            Because i keep asking questions that are answered. Moral of the story: don’t ask questions that make people mad. Not in church, not on atheist blogs.

          • invivoMark

            That isn’t even close to what my explanation entailed. Either you have severe reading comprehension difficulties, or you are a lying sack of shit.

          • quickshot

            Really? Is this actually constructive?

            My faith in online atheists is waning.

          • Artor

            Do you see the words highlighted in blue? Right there in the post you’re complaining about? They go right to the Skepticon website, where you can find all the information you could ever want as to what Skepticon does and where donations will go. JT is under no obligation to accommodate your inability to understand the internet. JT supports Skepticon, so he’s asking for donations here. If you don’t like it, then don’t donate. Why is this a difficult concept for you?

          • Donald Wheeler

            “I have to prove why something cannot be proven” – incorrect. Please reread what I asked. You do have to provide evidence for your assertion that it cannot be proven. You have made an extraordinary claim. I question this claim as I question any religious person who claims that god can never be proven to exist and we should thus accept that he/she/it does. I do not accept your assertion – explain what you would accept as proof in this case. If there is no such situation, then you are arguing in bad faith and, to be blunt, are not worth talking to.

            You have failed to address my original point – that your original example of bibles + food vs clear thinking – food is false equivalence. Please return to proving why putting money into bibles minus food is at least as good as clear thinking minus food. Otherwise, you are merely moving goalposts and are obviously not interested in discussing it.

            Your second paragraph goes to your feelings about the matter and are not subject to proof whatsoever. Is this supposed to be clever because it advances no points in the original argument and devolves to a pseudo-ad-hominem

          • baal

            Did you read JT’s post or like goto the Skepticon website? We (atheists) find value in community and in producing events for the general public. Skepticon in particular seeks to have no entry fee so that it can reach as wide an audience as possible (and avoid the problem of having the rich talk to the rich only). That is a good thing. This is not hard to understand so your disagreement or complaint about the lack of a pony show to make you happy seem well, like you’re whining.

    • eccles11

      This is a dumb argument. One can reason this way for everything. “Should I buy a car? Or should I give all that money to starving children?” Because children with food is a better cause then me buying a car. “Should we build a university? Or
      should we give all the money to starving children?”

      There are charities working on this, not everyone needs starving children to be their number one agenda.

      • quickshot

        Fair enough, but you still have to answer an important question: why is this cause worthy of my money? From the looks of the rewards from donating, it appears I don’t associate with any of them.

        I don’t know more than one name on that rewards list. I have no desire to see them do those silly (and disrespectful) things. Why is this cause worth my money? If the operators of this event could better answer that question, they would probably have an easier time raising money.

        • Cylon

          Um, if you don’t support the things that Skepticon is doing, then you shouldn’t give them money. But this blog is read by a lot of people who do support what Skepticon is doing. This post is for them. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

        • Artor

          If you don’t care for Skepticon’s agenda, then find a charity you do support. I’ll give you a hint; whining on the internet feeds exactly zero needy kids. Why are you doing it?

          • quickshot

            Can atheists not whine when a church/mosque is built instead of the money being sent to the needy?

          • iknklast

            That would be fine, except that we are being told that these organizations are giving so much to charity. We also have charitable organizations, and they give to charity. So why should we have to justify having a conference? They build a mosque or church – we have a conference. Pop quiz: which one diverts more funds?

          • quickshot

            Actually, its America, so you don’t have to justify why you (legally) do anything. Thus, I am not asking for them to justify why they have a conference; I am asking for them to justify why they deserve my money. Slowly, painfully, but surely, I am getting an answer.

            PS – thanks for not calling me dumb or my arguments “shitty”.

    • http://bearlyatheist.wordpress.com/ Bear Millotts

      Funny how Joe Klein wasn’t there to feed the poor like quickshot.

      • quickshot

        In the competition between “who does the most good”, an escalation usually results in the needy being the winners!

        • Artor

          No, it usually results in a lot of grandstanding and posturing, while the needy get trampled in the dust.

          • quickshot

            Then let us all be silent of our acts of goodwill. Agreed?

          • Artor

            No, it’s not agreed. You spoke up and made a shitty argument, and now that you’re getting your ass handed to you, you want silence? Too late buddy.

          • quickshot

            Wat.

            So…..lets not agree to keep our acts of goodwill to ourselves?

            Also, I hereby call all of your arguments “shitty”. Does that make you more prone to continue with them? Have I contributed much?

          • Artor

            Call them whatever you want, but if you wish to convince anyone else, you’ll need to explain why they are shitty, and use logic and reasoning. You haven’t shown much facility with either yet, so I’m not too worried.

          • quickshot

            And you haven’t answered my original question, so I guess we are quickly going nowhere.

        • http://bearlyatheist.wordpress.com/ Bear Millotts

          Competition implies zero-sum game.

          Why compete for doing the most good? Why not just do good?

    • Artor

      Because providing Bibles to the poor and disaster victims feeds them so well, right? Because building new churches and paying off settlements to kids molested by priests feeds poor children, right?

      • quickshot

        Not at all: but we cannot critique churches for building more churches as opposed to feeding the needy……at least, not when we have SKepticon

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_worse_problems

        • Artor

          Ah, so now that the argument has been turned around against you, you suddenly understand it. Why didn’t you get it when everyone was trying to explain that to you before?

          • quickshot

            You think my argument is “SKepticon should give money to the poor”. This is false. My argument (question really) is “why is skepticon deserving of my money?”

            So, it’s not that the argument has been turned around…..its that you are now committing a fallacy.

  • Eshto

    Maybe dumping CFI over trivial drama wasn’t the best idea after all.

    • throwaway

      That’s a rather short-sighted narrow interpretation of it. In the long run, not being associated with a group which has shown indifference to core principles that this present group has is always a boon, whether it leads to financial hardships or not. Your critique is lacking.

    • throwaway

      It’s rather telling, your not engaging the theist troll, who impugns every atheist cause as being insufficient, that you instead chose to address past grievances by way of an inter-doctrinal cheap shot. Tsk.

      • quickshot

        “Theist troll” is incorrect. “Person you disagree with” is more accurate. Its always easier to label me than engage me I suppose.

        • invivoMark

          Trolling is a matter of context. Not all types of comments will be equally welcome in every thread, and why would you expect that to be the case?

          If I were to go to the website of a Christian apologist, find a post that argues for a proof of God’s existence, and I post a comment showing flaws in the author’s proof, that is not trolling. However, if I go to that same website, and find a post by that same author, where that author announces that their mother had just died, I would be a troll if I were to point out that heaven probably doesn’t exist and this person’s mother simply doesn’t exist any more.

          Do you see the difference? If you post on one of JT’s threads talking about the intellectual merits of this or that idea, it’s totally fine to try to debunk those merits. If you post on one of JT’s threads that is asking for money to support a cause, it is not totally fine to try and make JT and all potential donors feel bad about not giving that money to starving children. That would be trolling.

          Ergo, in this post, you are a troll.

          • quickshot

            I fail to see how this is anywhere close to posting on a death announcement.

            I will still entertain you, however: I guess my main point was “why is this worth my money?”. Using the hungry children analogy was to point out that if I have $50 to donate, I would probably rather give it to a food bank than to a conference whos merits are not readily being displayed. Skepticon needs to do a better job at showing how they are worthy of my cash.

            They don’t even have to feed children, but they have to do better than “the operators get to do funny things”

          • invivoMark

            Another sign of a troll: completely missing the point in every conversation.

            I just told you that what you are doing is trolling, and why.

            In response, you do more of it. Either you’re being intentionally obtuse, or you really are that dumb. In either case, you’re still trolling. Stop it.

          • quickshot

            Yikes. Apparently everyone is happier when unpopular opinions are kept to themselves.

          • http://bearlyatheist.wordpress.com/ Bear Millotts

            “Yikes. Apparently everyone is happier when unpopular opinions are kept to themselves”

            Not in the least. If you present opinions, unpopular or otherwise, then realize that people will challenge them. If you can’t handle your ideas being critiqued, then perhaps you should grow thicker skin.

          • quickshot

            As thick as they come. I’m just afraid that the line between critiques and fingers-in-ears attacks is being blurred. Such is life on the Internet.

          • invivoMark

            Don’t kid yourself. You didn’t just offer an “unpopular opinion” for our intellectual perusal and academic consideration.

          • quickshot

            Double-yikes.

          • 23cal

            False choice fallacy. If you indeed only have $50 to donate, there is no requirement for all of it to go to either one. You can divide it. Hopefully, $50 isn’t all you will have to donate over the entire course of your life, so you can donate $50 to Skepticon now and a currently uncapped future amount to food banks.

            As far as Skepticon ” needs to do a better job at showing how they are worthy of my cash”…..they have a track record. Youtube videos are available on line from all of the previous conventions. Their speaker schedule is up for this year and can be accessed by a few seconds plus Google. Testimonials are available on line.

            This tells me you have decided not to donate already,due either to bias or to ignorance of what it does because you can’t comprehend how to work Google. Seems you are trolling for someone to unconvince you of a determination not to donate or you’re too dumb to be able to work Google, and to spend any additional time on you would be to further waste a precious resource.

            I think Skepticon encourages people to respect the Constitutional separation of church and state, supports science, and educates people. If this isn’t worth a few bucks to you, don’t donate. It is worth a few bucks to me, and I shall donate.

            Have a nice day.

          • quickshot

            To your 2nd and 4th paragraph:
            Thanks for the extra information! This is exactly what they need to show: testimonials of why this is a worthy cause. This is the direction the author (or anyone asking for money) needs to head.

            To your bizarre 3rd paragraph:
            The merits mentioned above are almost completely wasted with a condescending paragraph like this. I am sorry if I offended you to the point where you felt the need to go there.

        • throwaway

          If your only attempt at saving grace is that you’re not a theist troll then you have slid on my opinion totem-pole more nearer to the bottom than ever.

      • eccles11

        You kind of did the same thing as quickshot here, throwaway. “Why are you doing this, this is much worse, you should do this”

        Why can’t Eshto comment an opinion he feels worth sharing? Must he devote his blog comment time to quickshot, especially when there are others on the case?

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          Eshto should stay on topic. It’s not that his opinion has no place; it’s that it is completely out of left field and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This is not the time or place for such a comment.

          • eccles11

            Well, it is somewhat related to the topic at hand, even if not necessarily helpful.

        • throwaway

          I offered no “shoulds”. I said it was “rather telling” that he would choose to engage in the manner which he has done. His grudge is perpetual and his criticism is not constructive in that it is simply a way of saying “I told you so.” It was his avenue of approach, not that I find engaging quickshit worthwhile either. Instead of building up the donations, he tries to discourage by disparaging the choice to remove the influence of CFI, presuming that that is indeed a bad thing without showing his work. In no way am I making an argument similar to quickshot’s.

    • invivoMark

      Huh? Did the MRA knuckleheads accidentally link to this blog post? One unrelated, inane, humorless post by someone who isn’t exactly a regular, and already you’ve got 7 upvotes. And they’re all “guests”, big surprise.

    • quickshot

      I seem to have diverted all of your backlash for this comment. You are welcome.

  • Ross the Boss

    Aww, strange problem: donating before finishing the blog post and not contributing to hearing Aron Ra debate against evolution!


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