Smurfs too atheistic for Collin Garbarino.

My life is a strange teeter-totter between lamenting so much rank and unrepentant stupidity in the world and being happy to have job security.

Collin Garbarino at First Thoughts is displeased with the Smurfs 2 trailer.  At one point Papa Smurf says, “It doesn’t matter where you came from; what matters is who you choose to be.”  Sounds pretty great to me.  Whether you’re from Arkansas, California, China; it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor…if you’re an asshole, you suck, and if you’re kind, you rule.  Our empathy, not the circumstances of our birth, is what determines our worth as a person.  It’s the kind of sentiment that could’ve gone in the bible in place of one of the numerous directives to kill your neighbor.

This notion is apparently too much atheism for Garbarino.  Hide yo’ kids, hide yo’ wife.

How inspiring! If only it were true.

It does matter where we come from. If God really is our creator, then we really do owe him something. Papa Smurf’s words of pseudo-wisdom only make sense if our existence is the product of meaningless forces. If we are the products of evolution, then we have to manufacture meaning for our lives. We have to choose to be someone. If we have a creator, chances are that he intended for us to be a certain someone, and maybe we should ask him about it if we’re confused.

Yes, if humanity is all we’ve got to work with down here, then we do have to decide what’s important to us.  And we have decided it: love is better for a harmonious society than hate.  Compassion is something we value over cruelty.  Why is that so bad?  It speaks to the nobility of our species.  It’s how we read the barbarities of the old testament (such as the punishments for breaking most of the ten commandments) and say “Even though the bible says this, no human being should ever act in such a callous fashion.”  Go us!

And maybe we should ask god about it?  Where is he to ask?  I’ve been asking questions ever since I became a Christian at 15, more than half my life ago, up until now, long after I’ve abandoned any optimism that god will answer.  The only people who ever answer are other Christians claiming to speak for god and their answers suck.  We don’t hear from god, we hear from people like Gabarino saying baffling, silly things in god’s stead.

God is nowhere to be found, and the mass disagreements between Christians confirms that god has never given any concrete answers even to his flock.

  • Craig

    > If we are the products of evolution, then we have to manufacture meaning for our lives. We have to choose to be someone.

    Yes. Isn’t it fantastic?!

    • Silent Service

      That’s what really scares some religous people. The idea that people might have more freedom of choice in how to be somebody than to follow god or burn in hell.

      • Stev84

        Also that people might choose something different and be happier than them.

  • Jasper

    It’s strange that we are granted free will because God wants us to make our own choices… but we OWE him something! We have to follow his plan, etc.

    Incoherent much?

    • atunionbob

      Gay people make no choice in being gay…yet people who want to force religion down every ones throat say it is. How do we owe the so called God anything…He demands that we love him, he is suppose to be a loving and caring god. yet we see people die in wars, of starvation, of murder and the bible tells us that we will go to hell if we dont love this so called loving person…..that makes no logical sense at all.

      • Jasper

        It occurs to me that I don’t think I’ve ever heard a reason why these people think homosexuality is a choice. It’s just sort of asserted as true, like their god.

        • Cake

          Because for some christians it is a choice.
          They desire men but suppress those desires and marry women and preach against their own deisres.
          Ted Haggard anyone?

          • Jasper

            So they’re not talking about whether the person is gay or not, but rather how they act on it.

            Haggard didn’t stop being gay.

          • Cake

            I’m not sure if they consider it a difference, being or acting gay.

            I really can’t speak to what goes on inside their heads, (doing it anyway) but its the only way that someone could say that their sexuality is a choice that makes any sense to me. It’s not uncommon for myopic people to think what is true for them must be true for everyone else.

  • Itsrealfunnythat

    You have to believe in God and give money to the church!

    • islandbrewer

      At least the money part.

  • baal

    “If God really is our creator, then we really do owe him something.”
    I don’t owe folks a debt if they give me a gift. That’s not really a gift then is it?

    • Jasper

      Of course, we’re talking about the same group of people who think that the free will of the rapist trumps the free will of the victim to not be raped… so I’m not exactly surprised.

    • Art_Vandelay

      Even if it is a gift…it’s just a dead Jewish carpenter. It’s like the worst gift ever.

  • mcrotk

    Are they just pissed off because NPH is in it?

  • Link Daddy

    Love righteousness, you who judge the earth;
    think of the LORD in goodness,
    and seek him in integrity of heart;
    Because he is found by those who do not test him,
    and manifests himself to those who do not disbelieve him.
    For perverse counsels separate people from God,
    and his power, put to the proof, rebukes the foolhardy;
    Because into a soul that plots evil wisdom does not enter,
    nor does she dwell in a body under debt of sin.
    For the holy spirit of discipline flees deceit
    and withdraws from senseless counsels
    and is rebuked when unrighteousness occurs.
    For wisdom is a kindly spirit,
    yet she does not acquit blasphemous lips;
    Because God is the witness of the inmost self
    and the sure observer of the heart
    and the listener to the tongue.
    For the spirit of the LORD fills the world,
    is all-embracing, and knows whatever is said.
    Therefore those who utter wicked things will not go unnoticed,
    nor will chastising condemnation pass them by.
    For the devices of the wicked shall be scrutinized,
    and the sound of their words shall reach the LORD,
    for the chastisement of their transgressions;
    Because a jealous ear hearkens to everything,
    and discordant grumblings are not secret.
    Therefore guard against profitless grumbling,
    and from calumny withhold your tongues;
    For a stealthy utterance will not go unpunished,
    and a lying mouth destroys the soul.
    Do not court death by your erring way of life,
    nor draw to yourselves destruction by the works of your hands.
    Because God did not make death,
    nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living.
    For he fashioned all things that they might have being,
    and the creatures of the world are wholesome;
    There is not a destructive drug among them
    nor any domain of Hades on earth,
    For righteousness is undying.
    It was the wicked who with hands and words invited death,
    considered it a friend, and pined for it,
    and made a covenant with it,
    Because they deserve to be allied with it.

    -Wisdom 1

    • Cake

      There is more meaning to be found in “Old MacDonald Had a Farm” than what you just said.

    • Jasper

      Need moar bible quotes. I’m link Tinkerbell, except, the more bible quotes I hear, the more inspired I am to continue writing on counter apologetics and epistemological topics.

    • Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach

      I know it gets used a lot, but this is IMHO the best possible response to Link Daddy’s goddist brainfart…

      “what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have
      ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you
      even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
      Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award
      you no points, and may Odin have mercy on your soul.”

    • atunionbob

      Jesus was a bastard…think of it….Mary was Married to Joseph…and they never consummated the marriage or she would not have been a virgin. Regardless…she had a sexual affair with God which is adultery. She got pregnant from that affair….had a child who was not the child of her husband hence he was a illegitimate child…or in other words…a BASTARD.

      • Link Daddy

        GABRIEL’S MESSAGE

        The angel Gabriel from heaven came
        His wings as drifted snow, his eyes as flame
        “All hail” said he “thou lowly maiden, Mary,
        Most highly favored lady,” Gloria.

        “For known a blessed mother thou shalt be
        All generations laud and honor thee
        Thy Son shall be Emmanuel by seers foretold
        Most highly favored lady,” Gloria.

        The gentle Mary meekly bowed her head.
        “To me, be as it pleaseth God,” she said.
        “My soul shall laud and magnify his Holy Name.”
        Most highly favored maid Gloria.

        Of her Emmanuel, the Christ was born
        In Bethlehem all on a Christmas morn
        And everyone through out the world will ever say:
        “Most highly favoured lady.” Gloria.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJ4CKbwpgM

        • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

          There’s no such thing as angels. There’s no evidence Mary was a virgin or even ever existed. There’s no evidence Jesus actually existed.

          It’s a pretty poem. Too bad I can’t read it without thinking of all the shit my people (Jews and freethinkers) got put through because of it and its brethren.

          • Jasper

            Zeus is real.

            Lightning comes from Zeus. We observe lightning, therefore Zeus is real. Checkmate

          • Link Daddy

            Jesus is Jewish. All of His Apostles were Jewish. Every writer of the Old and New Testament was Jewish. Salvation is of the Jews. Jesus is coming back for His people Israel.

            You are free to think and believe what you want. I just want you to know that you are wrong about angels, the Holy Family, the Word of God, the existence of God and the idea that Christianity is an existential threat to the Jewish people. Christians pray that Jewish people will recognize Jesus for Who He really is: the Only-Begotten Son of God, the Messiah, Lord and Savior, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

            But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation, by a nation without understanding will I anger you.” And Isaiah is very bold and says, “I was found by those who did not seek Me, I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” -Romans 10:19-21

            Oh, but there’s more from St. Paul about Israel:

            For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,

            “The Deliverer will come from Zion,
            He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
            This is My covenant with them,
            When I take away their sins.”

            From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. -Romans 11:25-32

            Romans 10 (entire chapter, if you are interested in reading more http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011&version=NASB

            Angels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_in_Judaism

            Virgin Birth: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+7:14&version=NASB

            The New Jerusalem: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021:10-27&version=NASB

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Wow, you don’t know anything about Judaism, do you? Jews categorically state that the Messiah will come but definitely, for sure hasn’t ever come before. They’d notice by the whole peace-on-earth thing. Jesus, like many a person around his time and before and after, claimed he was the Messiah, but he clearly wasn’t because the world is … well, how it is. It’s also not a focus for anybody but the ultra-Orthodox. Everyone else is too busy on social justice and living life to give a shit about some Mashiach that may or may not come and it’s God’s choice when anyways, so why worry about it?

            There will be Very Clear Signs when the Mashiach shows up (you know, angels with trumpets, Elijah descending from the sky in a chariot, and so on). Jesus didn’t have any of those signs correspond with him, so he’s not it. Sorry, you got duped by a conman. Also, I can Capitalize Random Words Too, Just for Funsies.

            Anything in the New Testament is automatically discarded as nonsense by Jewish people. We (they) don’t care what Paul says or Romans says, anymore than you care what the Qu’ran or Bhagavad Gita says. Somebody else’s holy book is just not a compelling argument to anyone.

          • Zinc Avenger

            Somebody else’s holy book is just not a compelling argument to anyone.

            Don’t bother, you could engrave those words hundreds of miles high on the Moon in letters of flame visible at midday and it would still be too subtle for Link Daddy.

            But the words from my holy book are so awesome just repeating them over and over again must mean I win, right?

          • Link Daddy

            Could you tell me any of the specific Scriptures that talk about the Messiah?

            The Transfiguration (Moses-Jesus-Elijah)? http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+17:1-3&version=NASB

            I thought you do not believe in angels? Anyhow, here is what Saint Paul wrote about the same thing you describe (angels, trumpets, etc.):
            For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. -1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Of course I don’t believe in angels. I’m just telling you what the Jewish beliefs are; they’re no more or less ridiculous than Christian ones. If I was talking about Harry Potter, would I have to include the caveat that of course I know he’s a fictional character?

            I was never Orthodox. My Conservative and then Reconstructionist shuls didn’t emphasize the Mashiach at all- it was known to be a rather silly and fringe Jewish belief, but the Orthodox are pretty into it. So no, I don’t know any OT passages about it, though it’s probably in some of the prophets. That’s because we never cared.

            Why do you insist on quoting things that are gibberish? Literally, if your paragraph said aosifno asoginoiha sofiha wqoiqweur oiubpius aopsdifuh it would be just as meaningful.

          • Link Daddy

            I did it for you. Thought you might be interested…

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            You quoted Paul. That’s not an Old Testament source…

          • Link Daddy

            Exactly. I am trying to show you that Christians also believe “there will be Very Clear Signs when the Mashiach [Jesus] shows up [returns] (you know, angels with trumpets, Elijah descending from the sky in a chariot, and so on)…

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            That’s because it’s a blatant rip-off of the OT passages. The early Christians couldn’t even come up with their own myths. I’m glad you admit that the Mashiach clearly hasn’t come yet, though, because there haven’t been all the angels and trumpets and chariots and things.

          • Link Daddy

            I said He will return with “all the angels and trumpets and chariots and things.”

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            Why would you think that? The passage doesn’t say return, it says come for the first time. No angels, trumpets, or Elijah in chariot means no Mashiach yet. Ergo, Jesus wasn’t the Mashiach described in the OT. You must be a master at reading words that aren’t actually there to think that “come” means “come again”.

            Besides, are you arguing Jesus was such a shitty Messiah that he has to come back to get the job done? You’re doing a pretty bad job selling Christianity, here, if your Messiah was so bad at his gig that he has to come back to actually do it right.

          • Link Daddy

            “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

            “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

            “Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come. It is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert. Therefore, be on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— in case he should come suddenly and find you asleep. What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’” -Mark 13:24-37

          • Jasper

            “You are free to think and believe what you want. I just want you to know that you are wrong about angels, the Holy Family, the Word of God, the existence of God and the idea that Christianity is an existential threat to the Jewish people. ”

            And yet you have zero capacity to actually demonstrate any of it.

            Also, read until your eyes explode:

            http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

          • Link Daddy

            Thank you. That was interesting.

          • Jasper

            Please keep in mind that making assertions with the mos confidence you can muster does not impress atheists. In fact, the more confident you are in assertions you cannot demonstrate, the more I worry that you may need to seek help.

            Things like blatant unsupported assertions, repeated compulsive blurting out of Bible verses, and irrelevant YouTube clips only serve to annoy us, and demonstrate that, yet again, apologists have nothing of any epistemological value, in any way, shape or form… still.

          • Zinc Avenger

            HOW CAN YOU ATHEISTS NOT CONVERT??? I MUST’VE QUOTED THE ENTIRE BIBLE AT YOU BY NOW! SATAN MUST BE STRONG IN YOU!!!!!! TIME FOR MORE BIBLE QUOTES!

            He’s showing a basic disrespect for us and his own holy book by now. He knows he’s not achieving anything, so he’s only in it for his own self-righteous pleasure and some persecution warm fuzzies. Masturbating with the Bible is a sure way into Heaven!

          • islandbrewer

            Maybe he hasn’t quoted enough of it? Perhaps he hasn’t reached the appropriate threshold under the hypothesis that “MOAR BIBUL = more converts”?

            …. mmmmm, no.

          • Zinc Avenger

            He’s guilty of what my old Christian youth leader referred to as “trying to use the Bible like casting a spell”, just reading it out in the hope that the magic words convert people. It doesn’t work, and it just poisons the well for people who might otherwise have found God later.

            Obviously I think my old Christian youth leader was wrong on a lot of things, but he had some decent insights into human behavior and he is still a friend to this day.

            Link Daddy is a piss-poor evangelist. Can you imagine him as a car salesman?

            “Would you like to buy a car?”
            “No, thanks. I’m in the grocery store, I’m not here to buy a car.”
            “Oh yeah? Then today’s reading is from the Ford Book of Maintenance, Chapter 7: Tire pressures and maintenance. [Blah blah blah...] Now you are going to buy a car.”
            “I told you, I’m not in the market for a car.”
            “WELL THEN, here comes a reading from the Booklet of Aftermarket Accessories, Page 9: Gear stick options. [Blah blah blah...] So what color car do you want?”
            “Please go away.”
            “Poor foolish pedestrian! Prepare to experience the awesome majesty of me reading the entire BLANK VEHICLE LOG BOOK at you!”

          • Link Daddy

            So, clearly flustered by this unseemly intrusion into your otherwise mundane existence, you purchase your goods, saunter out to the parking lot behind your cartload, unload the goodies into the back of the, uh, Volvo, put the key into the ignition, and…nothing. Your car is dead.
            Shoulda listened to the lughead inside. The End.

          • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

            So, clearly flustered by this unseemly intrusion into your otherwise mundane existence, you purchase your goods, saunter out to the parking lot behind your cartload, unload the goodies into the back of the, uh, Volvo, put the key into the ignition, and…nothing. Your car is dead.

            So you call AAA, because you thought ahead to this very outcome (damned battery died again!), then call a friend to take your groceries home so they don’t spoil. Then, satisfied that physics runs its course, shit happens, and people are there to fix it, you continue on your day.

            But we can keep swapping silly metaphors if you like.

          • Link Daddy

            Nah. That bee only had one stinger.

          • islandbrewer

            I call the police because clearly this ass of a car salesman has sabotaged my Volvo.

          • Link Daddy
          • Jasper

            This isn’t the movies. Life doesn’t work like fictional story writing.

            Are we really back to the extortion again? Join or suffer the consequences?

          • baal

            I think I saw this as a Monty Python sketch.

          • Jasper

            I’ve seen it frequently in other forums that a Christian will come through, spout off a few preaching words, and then when anyone disagrees with that person, he/she declares “Well, the Bible says that I need to kick the dust off my feet”, and then move on… as though it’s some kind of quota of “trying”, they have to meet, like how Jehova’s Witnesses go on their duties to go door-to-door.

            Whether they’re actually effective or not isn’t a concern.. it’s all about this robotic effort to technically meet their proselytism requirements.

            I kind of wish LinkDaddy would be knocking all that dirt off his feet already.

            After 200 nonstop hours of a mosquito buzzing in my year, it’s starting to get annoying.

          • baal

            “Masturbating with the Bible is a sure way into Heaven!”
            I’m glad to hear that since I have one in my kinky play set. It’s been used for that and more.

          • Link Daddy

            You know deep down you love me, Chip.

          • Whirlwitch

            Yo, dude:

            You are free to think and believe what you want. I just want you to know that you are wrong about angels, the Holy Family, the Word of God, the existence of God and the idea that Christianity is an existential threat to the Jewish people.

            And some other stuff too, but that’s a good beginning.

          • islandbrewer

            Every writer of the Old and New Testament was Jewish.

            Totally unconfirmed.

            Most of the new testament was written several centuries after the purported events, in Greek. There is a likelihood that the authors of many, if not most, of the books of the new testament weren’t Jewish.

          • Link Daddy

            Name one.

          • islandbrewer

            Name one what? Book of the new testament? Acts. Most scholars point to the language as indicative of a Greek-speaking gentile writing for an audience of gentiles.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_the_Apostles

            Boom, all of ten seconds. Prove it wrong.

            And next time, be more explicit in your requests. And read carefully. The authorship of ALL the fucking books, both of the nomadic shepherds, and the new syncretic greco-judeo religion invented in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE are disputed by scholars.

            Frankly, it doesn’t fucking matter whether the fabricator of the fables was Jewish or Greek or Roman.

            Here’s one for you:

            Name one single fucking book of your entire fucking bible where the authorship definitely known and is undisputed among scholars.

          • Link Daddy

            Open to debate? http://www.levitt.com/essays/luke

            No. My Catholic Encyclopedia, says you indeed are…RIGHT! Ding Ding! http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09420a.htm#I

            I present you with a laurel, a wreath and a metaphorical toaster for this great victory. You have overcome. Be proud!

            Although, “St. Luke had a great knowledge of the Septuagint and of things Jewish, which he acquired either as a Jewish proselyte (St. Jerome) or after he became a Christian, through his close intercourse with the Apostles and disciples.”

            Any others you could find?

          • islandbrewer

            Did I say they were all written by gentiles?

            In two words, “fuck no.” What the fucking fuck is your point?

            What the fuck if they were all written by jews? Or gentiles? Why the fuck are you shifting your fucking goalposts?

            Are you disingenuous intentionally, or do you just not think about it?

            You said ALL the books of the new testament were written by jews. I said “no.” You asked me for more. Why? Is there some fucking magic number I fucking need to fucking reach?

            Now, you’re insinuating that I said that none of the books were written by jews.

            I don’t fucking give a crap about the authors of your fucking weird religious books of a belief which is a syncretic greek spin of judaism through a mithraistic lens, nor does whomever wrote it make a shred of difference with regard to its veracity.

            By the way, if you’re at all curious about all the fucking “fucks” in this post? It’s because I’m pretty fucking fed up with your fucking disingenuous, fucking irrelevant, fucking pointless “trying to save my soul” through irritating trolling.

          • Link Daddy
          • islandbrewer

            Also, I don’t ever click through to your youtube clips, anymore. If you have something to say, use words. Novel, I know.

          • Link Daddy

            What is the etymology of your handle? Just curious.

          • islandbrewer

            You have driven from me any inclination to answer that question for you.

          • Link Daddy

            Bad attempt at banal conversation after that flogging you just gave me…Sorry for upsetting you. I should be more formal considering the topic at hand (Smurfs).

          • islandbrewer

            Fuck formality. Try relevance and cogency.

          • Link Daddy

            Again…Smurfs.

          • baal

            If you’re going to keep linking in youtube videos that seem entirely irrelevant, could you add 1 sentence of why you think Tom Cruise (a scientologist in RL, a character in a movie) helps your case?

          • Derrik Pates

            The writers of the gospels were not the Apostles. Conveniently, they’re all anonymous. And at least two of the four aren’t even original works. None of the four gospels can agree on anything of consequence, outside the broadest of strokes.

            Remind me, why should we care one whit what the Bible says about Jesus, given all of this?

          • Link Daddy

            I’m sorry. Did I say all the Gospel writers were Apostles?
            (Uh, no).

            Matthew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_the_Apostle
            John: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Evangelist
            I hate to be a broken record, but citations are needed.

          • Derrik Pates

            All well established points, and agreed upon by actual biblical scholars. Thanks for missing my point, which was, if you’re going to cite the Bible to people who don’t agree that it has any authority, you’re wasting your time.

  • Gehennah

    Wow how did he get Evolution from that Papa Smurf quote?

  • Helix Luco

    i wonder, if god did create us, then doesn’t god owe us instead?

    for any human who had the full capacity to care for any number of pets, all the wealth they could possibly need, and decided of their own free will to have a cat bred specifically to be their pet, anything less than their keeping the animal safe and providing for its wellbeing would be wanton cruelty, demanding repayment even in the form of affection would be childishly unreasonable, and punishing the cat in any way for failing to deliver would be flat out abuse.

    we didn’t will ourselves into existence and start taking god’s precious limited resources against god’s will, if that were the case then we certainly would have a responsibility to make some kind of repayment. but the christian deity is supposed to have infinite power and decided all on its own to create each and every one of us and chose to put us in a hopelessly dependent position, while it just as easily could have made self-sufficient entities equal to itself, or could have decided it didn’t really need to have any pets to begin with.

  • Jill Elizabeth

    Religion poisons everything.

  • atunionbob

    God also talks to Pat Robertson and Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin…why does he not talk to SMART people and only to the stupid ones?

    • Link Daddy

      Maybe He figures you are “smart” enough to handle things on your own, Scoop (albeit you really don’t realize how much He is doing for you every moment).

      • http://gamesgirlsgods.blogspot.com/ Feminerd

        Like what? The laws of physics seem to be handling things fine.

        • Link Daddy
          • Jasper

            Here’s a little hint. Demonstrating unevidenced unsupported claims as true is not aided by throwing more undemonstrated unevidenced unsupported claims at us.

            It doesn’t matter how many times you add zero to zero, you’ll never reach 100.

          • Link Daddy

            “It doesn’t matter how many times you add zero to zero, you’ll never reach 100.”
            Hey, that is the same argument used to support Creationism!

          • Jasper

            “Hey, that is the same argument used to support Creationism!”

            Which is very telling, since the argument can’t technically support anything, outside of pointing out the inefficacy of low-quality evidence.

            How exactly could that support creationism? By one big whopping Argument from Ignorance (“Well evolution hasn’t been proven!”)?

          • Zinc Avenger

            Whereas the creationist argument is, in its entirety, “100, and you’re evil if you disagree.”

          • Jasper

            By the way… that’s where Jesus has been all this time.. stuck on an island somewhere, punching a series of digits into a computer every 108 minutes.

      • Jasper

        Why do theistic beliefs always have to be indistinguishable from being not true?

  • OooShiny

    Without being aware of it, Collin Garbarino spells out exactly the #1 reason humans accept any religion’s claims of truth and morality, which is fear. Fear of thinking. Fear of death. Fear of deciding. Fear of fear. Fear of the unknown and unexplained.

    Of course, the reasons religions are created are different, all boiling down to power, wealth and control of the unwashed masses. But accepting religion? It’s a desperate attempt to control the greatest fear of all, which is not fear of death but fear of life.

    • Link Daddy

      Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also. -1 John 4:15-21

      • Jasper

        Awesome. More stories from your favorite story book. Can you tell us the story of Beowulf next?

        • Derrik Pates

          But that didn’t come from the one book he’s actually read, so that’s the devil’s work.

      • OooShiny

        It is neither brave nor virtuous to believe in things that do not exist.


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