God will have to beg my forgiveness.

I saw this image on facebook and it really hit home.

"If there is a god, he will have to beg my forgiveness" ~ A phrase carved into a concentration camp cell by a Jewish prisoner

I do not understand how this is not the response of every person to travesties.  If god could cure cancer and doesn’t, allowing a person to die without pain rather than with it, then god is not anything that could be considered kind.  The response is that god must have a reason to look on things like the holocaust or children born with AIDS with indifference.  But if it’s a god who cares about being worshiped (as the Christian god clearly does, see the first few commandments) or has a vested interest in being viewed as good (why would god expect humans to worship an evil god?), then he’s obligated to give us that reason.  He hasn’t done it.

The response will come “But maybe we’re not ready for the reason”.  Well who the hell made us incapable of being able to comprehend it?  God could snap his fingers and make us able to comprehend it.  But he hasn’t done it.

If there’s a good reason for god designing suffering of the innocent into existence and then doing nothing to fix it, trot it out.  Otherwise you have no good reason to assure us that god has such a reason.

If you consider it your job to defend god’s goodness, you ought to be grateful god doesn’t exist.

About JT Eberhard

When not defending the planet from inevitable apocalypse at the rotting hands of the undead, JT is a writer and public speaker about atheism, gay rights, and more. He spent two and a half years with the Secular Student Alliance as their first high school organizer. During that time he built the SSA’s high school program and oversaw the development of groups nationwide. JT is also the co-founder of the popular Skepticon conference and served as the events lead organizer during its first three years.

  • RowanVT

    I ceased to be christian when I was 13 because I read the bible. I had been taught that God was kind and loving. The God I read about in the bible was a monster; a being of incredible evil. I began using the phrase “Any being that wants me to worship it has to be worthy of it first.”

  • Tim Keating

    Don’t worry, Kirk Cameron will explain it to you: http://youtu.be/a8yXBG0Wm2Q

    (Note: sarcasm alert!)

    • baal

      I saw a movie this weekend and flipped off the screen when another of his trailers came up.

  • bdallmann

    There’s an excellent movie based around this quote called “God on Trial.” I recommend it!

  • JudgeDoom

    humans were responsible for the holocaust, not God. He has no reason to answer for OUR mistakes; we have free will. He cannot interfere with free will, it’s His own law. I do not practice any form of organized religion, I am an Agnostic, and even know this basic bit of Theology. Overzealous Atheists are just as idiotic as the overzealous Christians. Feel free to disagree, I actually WON’T crucify you for it

    • Compuholic

      He has no reason to answer for OUR mistakes; we have free will.

      That is odd. Somehow he never seems to have a problem interfering with free when you read stories from the bible. Gods body count is pretty enourmous for somebody who doesn’t want to interfere. Hardening pharaos heart, killing all the babies. Oh and wiping out all of humanity during a flood was a real class act as well.

      [...]and even know this basic bit of Theology.

      This is a rationalization. Of course theology and rationalization are largely the same thing. And it always amuses me to no ends when people say stuff like “it’s his own law”. First of all: How do you know? And secondly. Since he supposedly made the law himself he can change it as well (and obviously did so in the past if one believes the bible).

      I do not practice any form of organized religion, I am an Agnostic[...]

      Like it matters… Stupid arguments are stupid regardless of who is making them. And when someone feels the need to state their religious (non-) conviction in order to sound more credible I automatically assume that they are lying.

      • JudgeDoom

        “Somehow he never seems to have a problem interfering with free when you read stories from the bible. Gods body count is pretty enourmous for somebody who doesn’t want to interfere.”

        Killing has nothing to do with free will, plus he gave them NINE other NON-LETHAL plagues before killing the first born. Againn it was MAN’S PRIDE that led to that. Haha and if you knew anything about the Bible you would know that he DID apologize for the flood and entered a Covenant with Noah promising never to do it again. Score: Me-1 You-0

        it always amuses me to no ends when people say stuff like “it’s his own law”. First of all: How do you know? And secondly. Since he supposedly made the law himself he can change it as well (and obviously did so in the past if one believes the bible).

        God’s word is Law and no he cannot change it. I don’t know, but you are making same assumptions and putting human personality to God. The only things that changed were changed by Jesus Christ, not God (although some sects of Christians believe they’re one and the same, but again that’s only SOME human’s interpretation) You should probably pick up and READ the Bible before you try to argue from it. Score: Me-2 You-0

        when someone feels the need to state their religious (non-) conviction in order to sound more credible I automatically assume that they are lying.

        Yeah that’s cool. I was simply showing that I am unbiased. I don’t believe in the Bible or organized religion. I have my own relationship with God. You “assume” and “rationalize” a lot for someone arguing that assumptions and rationalizations are stupid. Score: Me-3 You-0

        Like it matters… Stupid arguments are stupid regardless of who is making them.

        Hahaha, this is actually the only thing I agree with. Although unfortunately probably not in the way you hope. You’re arguments are shallow and uninformed. They just don’t hold up buddy sorry, but feel free to come at me with whatever uninformed little counter-argument you manage to duct tape together. AND THAT’S THE KO!!!

        P.S-You do know MEN wrote the Bible, not God right? Men tend to lie, men tend to change history. There’s A LOT of BS in the Bible, but there’s also A LOT of good lessons to be learned. Try opening up that closed mind of yours just a bit yeah?

        • Compuholic

          Oh great, we have an infant here who is keeping self-declared scores. How cute.

          illing has nothing to do with free will, plus he gave them NINE other NON-LETHAL plagues before killing the first born.

          So genocide is ok after you torture people 9 times? What a novel insight. I’m learning so much here…

          [...]you would know that he DID apologize for the flood

          Ahh of course, my bad. He wiped out all human life but he was sorry. That of course makes everything ok.

          Killing has nothing to do with free will

          So let me get this straight: Initially you said that God is not responsible for the Holocaust because he cannot intervene with free will. If killing has nothing to do with free will why not simply kill all the perpetrators? So he had the power to prevent it (and is not interfering with free will as you have established) but didn’t: That makes him responsible as well. In every court of the world you would be held responsible if you chose not to intervene when you were able to prevent a murder without any danger to yourself.

          I don’t know, but you are making same assumptions and putting human personality to God

          I don’t even believe that a God exists. The only thing I am saying is that even if he existed he is an immoral asshole and undeserving of any respect. He can fuck off and so can every other piece of shit that defends his actions. And yes, I use my human personality to make this judgement.

          I have my own relationship with God.

          So you were lying about being an agnostic. What a surprise.

          I was simply showing that I am unbiased.

          Wow, I had no idea that being unbiased is so simple. Just make a statement and voilá you are unbiased. Brilliant. And what is really interesting to me is that you can determine that yourself.

          • JudgeDoom

            Hahahaha, WOW! You got soooo butthurt on that last one. See at this point there’s no reason to continue debating, you’re comments are all made personal. You’re working off emotion. I mean you don’t even know what Agnostic means. Having a relationship with God doesn’t go against that my friend. All you have shown is that you are someone very sad, who can’t look outside of their own ignorant views or LISTEN without immediately getting offended and attacking.

            “I don’t even believe that a God exists. The only thing I am saying is that even if he existed he is an immoral asshole and undeserving of any respect. He can fuck off and so can every other piece of shit that defends his actions.

            That right there let me know everything I need to know about you bud, and I feel sorry that some anonymous person on the internet got to you so badly. You should get of the computer Mr. “Compuholic” and actually read the Bible or take ONE Theology class before you try talking with educated people. Score: Me-3146164646 You-still 0

          • Compuholic

            Well you are probably right about one thing. There isn’t very much merit in a discussion. As for the reasons: I’m sure every reader of this exchange can draw their own conclusions about this. And I am fairly certain its not the conclusion you came to. As for you being educated: Dunning-Kruger is everywhere…

  • Andreas Meyer

    Anyone checked, if this is a genuine, authentic inscription?


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