A room of people who were human before they succumbed to Islam.

This video was taken from an Islamic peace conference in Norway:

Here we have a speaker who first laments that people think Muslims are homophobic, subjugate women, and support barbarous punishments…and then goes on to insist that all normal Muslims adopt these positions.

With the help of the audience the speaker attempts to emancipate Islam from its image of discrimination and violence by normalizing the violent and discriminatory practices often found among Muslims.  He gets the audience to affirm stoning to death as a punishment and such, because apparently if Muslims find this behavior normal then the issue is settled.

If these people represent “normal” Islam, it would be wise to be very fearful of fundamentalist Islam.  Indeed, the “normal” Islam depicted by these people, even if it did come from god, is an affront to the love and compassion of which humanity is capable – and a testament to religion’s power to steal that away from us.

You can say “my religion is TRUTH” from now until the end of time, but that doesn’t make it true.  In fact, swearing something so obviously untrue is “the TRUTH” is a bit like a thief who’s been caught in the act saying he’s just re-arranging the furniture.  But here’s the truth as clearly and concisely as it’s ever been told: if you think the proper penalty for apostasy is death then you would be an embarrassment to humankind if only every ounce of the humanity with which you were born hadn’t been stripped away by your faith.


To clarify, for those expressing concern over the title, it was only meant to say that the people in the room, all of whom were likely born with regular levels of empathy (one of the qualities that humanizes us to one another) have lost it on account of their religious faith.  I don’t mean to imply that they are literally not human, but merely that a portion of their humanity has been stolen from them.

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  • MichaelYHC

    Wow, that was some pretty counter-productive polling.

  • baal

    Wait, I thought we were only point out christian issues and give the muslims a pass?

    Fwiw, we’ve seen a number of the xtians (especially the trolls) argue that the OT god isn’t cruel or unjust since it’s god’s actions and we shouldn’t apply our ‘subjective’ morality to him.

    • Zinc Avenger

      We’re so subjective by applying the same standards of morality. Not like religious objectivity which insists we use different morality when genocide makes their deity look bad.

  • William Burns

    So people who have bad religious beliefs aren’t human? No way that will work out badly!

    • Loqi

      A poor word choice, to be sure. The word “human” is intended here to mean “one possessing the quality of humanity,” but is virtually guaranteed to be purposely misinterpreted by some dishonest theist who can’t wait to flex their persecution complex (“atheists don’t think we’re human – just like HITLER!”).

      • eccles11

        I think it was made ‘too easy’ to misinterpret. As the literal reading of the sentence is all that requires. I would suggest to JT that it might be better to rephrase as “Room full of people had humanity” or something like that. its too easy to point and say “dehumanisation” when the title is worded as it is now.

        • Loqi

          Yeah. The when I read the title, my “quote mine fodder” alarm went crazy.

  • Christina Stephens

    While the (quite literal) dehumanizing language used in the title of this post raises my hackles (and JT and I are good friends and I write for this blog though I have not done so in a long time, FYI) these Muslims are disgusting and my hackles are raised a lot more by the Muslims in this video, who smile while confirming that they do believe in stoning and execution.

    Except for that one guy on the right side with his arms crossed who did not raise his hands and actually looked pretty pissed.

    • eccles11

      I noticed that. I wonder if that dude was just coming to ‘see’ what it was about.

  • Sam Foster Lynch

    At 0:26 the guy at the podium rounds his lips to pronounce an oooh sound. At that exact moment, he says the word “speaker” then pauses. This video is about as persuasive a forgery as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    • baal

      The video is obviously edited like a highlights reel but I think you need more than the short facial expression to say it’s a forgery. I was more interested in them all being happy to raise their hands at “we are all sunni”.

      The full video is supposed to be on the Islam NetVideo channel on youtube but the segment of the 23-25 March 2013 with Fahad Qureshi as the speaker is missing (I couldn’t find it). Regardless, you can search his name or that of his organization and see the comments aren’t out of line for him.

      Please note that he seems to say that OT style punishment is a-ok since god wills it but he has a talking point that he doesn’t want muslims to radicalize more than that and go to militant jihad in the mid-east. I’m not sure those are consistent positions.

      Your turn.