A Call for Civil Disobedience: Remove the “God”

A Call for Civil Disobedience: Remove the “God” August 12, 2015

civil disobedience In god we trustSome atheist friends and I have a ritual that we follow when we meet for dinner. We deface our money.

On the back of U.S. paper money (technically, Federal Reserve notes) are the words “In God We Trust.” But I don’t trust in a god that I don’t believe exists; why should I be forced to promote a concept I don’t accept to conduct commerce? Does the American government have no obligation to its citizens who are atheists, agnostics, or non-Christian who feel excluded by this?

Consider the second beast from Revelation 13:16–18 that forced all people “to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.” Would the Christians eager for the imposition of “In God We Trust” as a national motto be just as happy if the money were printed with the Beast’s 666? Or what if it instead professed trust in Shiva or Allah or Xenu?

Civil disobedience

Our dinner ritual is to practice a little civil disobedience and change the slogan. Some cross out the entire motto, some cross out just “God,” and some change “God” to “FSM.” You could replace it with E Pluribus Unum or the text of the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

civil disobedience In god we trust

Let’s take a closeup of the middle anarchist. I’m pretty sure that’s a blue “RELIGION: Together we can find a cure” t-shirt. Oh—and a defaced $20 Federal Reserve Note.

Give it a try at your next gathering of freethinkers or advocates for the separation of church and state.

But is it illegal?

What’s illegal is a national motto that spits on the First Amendment. And it should’ve been a crime to replace the motto E Pluribus Unum—“Out of many, one,” which is the story of an America built by immigrants—with a colorless motto could easily fit fifty countries.

Title 18 of the U.S. Code has several relevant sections about changes to currency.

  • Section 333 says that mutilating or defacing a Federal Reserve note is illegal, but only if done “with intent to render such [note] unfit to be reissued.”
  • Section 471 says you can’t alter money with intent to defraud.
  • Section 472 says you can’t possess or pass on money with intent to defraud.
  • Section 475 says you can’t put advertisements on money. (This got the Where’s George? bank note tracking project into trouble.)

It sure looks to me like this project is okay, but if you like, imagine a cloud of doubt to make it more exciting.

Add some spice. Cross out “God” in front of who you’re paying, or replace the slogan with “Atheist Money.” Get your Christian friends to join in—government meddling in religion can’t be good for them, either.

And ask yourself how weak the Christian argument is if its proponents must try to steal the prestige of the U.S. government to bolster it.

668—the neighbor of the beast.

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    • Crash Override

      Respectfully, would the above not be a violation of Title 18, Section 475 of the US Code, as mentioned in the post?

      • Derrik Pates

        There’s no intent to render the currency not reissuable. It still spends the same.

        Edit: Oh, the advertising bit. Hm, maybe? My stamp doesn’t have any URLs on it.

      • My rule of thumb: if it has a URL, then you risk “advertising.”

        But now we’re talking about serious civil disobedience. Hats off to Oklahoma Atheists.

      • No.

      • UWIR

        Does that apply to federal reserve notes? After all, they’re issued by the federal reserve, not the United States. And if it does, then isn’t the motto a violation? It advertises the religious beliefs of those who put it on there.

        • The bills are issued by the Federal Reserve System, and coins are issued by the U.S. Treasury. Section 475 applies to both.

          I suppose you could argue that the insult of that motto is slightly different depending on whether it comes from the government (coins, from the Treasury) or an agent of the government (bills, from the Federal Reserve).

        • UWIR

          How does Section 475 apply to the bills? Is the Federal Reserve System part of the United States?

        • It refers to “any obligation or security of the United States.” That seems to include Federal Reserve notes.

  • This works also.

    • ElRay

      Where can we buy the stamp?

      • Sadly this particular version is not available. But we are in the design process of having this or one very similar available within the next few weeks.
        However if you can’t wait you can go to http://billstamp.com/ and order one from them.

  • tubi11

    I use a Sharpie and write “Allah” where it says “God”. Same guy, so Christians shouldn’t be bothered, right? Oh, and it’s just ceremonial deism anyway.

    • Greg G.

      I like that. Is there a more succinct way to say “It is ceremonial deism. If it was about your god, it would be illegal.”

  • james

    I’ve been doing this for about 3 years

  • Greg G.

    The Gideon Bible in my hotel room has a list of topics with a book and chapter plus the page number just inside the front cover. I added “Best Chapter in the Bible”, “Ezekiel 23”, and the page number at the top.

    Next time I’ll put “Pornographic Literature”.

    • For today’s Bible reading, shall we turn, please, to Ez. 23:3: “Their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed…”

      Aaaah! I can’t read any more!

      You, sir, are off the hook.

    • “hotel room” – friendly recommendation – Go home!

      • Greg G.

        Can you convince my boss of that? Please?

        • aah, yes. sorry. the sacrifices we bread winners make are never completely realized by our families, but hopefully you are appreciated and loved when you return home.

        • Greg G.

          My wife feels like she is making progress with the housecleaning when I’m away. It’s no longer two steps forward, three steps back. But she and her brother’s kids miss me the most.

        • Greg G.

          Wait a minute… You’re getting bread? I’m only making peanuts.

        • you’re forgetting, you also get a free Gideon’s Bible.

        • Greg G.

          I like to pay it forward with my copy with added commentary.

  • Guthrum

    Okay, so these guys have nothing better to do than deface money-marking out words that no one pays any attention to anyway.
    Let’s look at some things on our US money that most people have no idea about:
    “Federal Reserve Note”- means it is an iou. Federal Reserve – one of the most powerful, secretive groups in the world. It is a private agency.
    The pyramid- why a pyramid on US money ? And that eye ? What is the deal about that ?
    How about the dividers ? The number 13 ?
    The Latin phrases, one translates as “new order of the ages” – why Latin ?
    These and other symbols are secretive and are symbols still in use by poerful, secret world groups.

    • You mean that the Christian stuff is just the tip of the iceberg? That the Illuminati or Bilderberg Group or (dare I speak the words?) Trilateral Commission are pulling the world’s strings?!

      • Guthrum

        Somebody is pulling the strings – look at the current political situation. These elections are planned and decided.

        • MNb

          As a Dutchman I can assure you it’s the Bilderberg Group. Anything with this guy

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bernhard_of_Lippe-Biesterfeld

          involved is a conspiracy by definition. He single handedly turned

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Fund_for_Nature

          into a private big game hunting organization.

        • Impress us–tell us who the candidates will be and who will win.

        • TheNuszAbides

          i’m sure the *crickets* are just Guthrum protecting its 23rd-hand source.

          EDIT: it’s one of those entertaining hypotheses i treat much the same as the vaguest of the free will ‘debates’: “free or not, we must act as if we are” (while traditions of punishment are a whole ‘nother ball game), therefore “gonna vote anyway” (while not necessarily holding my breath that appointed/celebrated creeps like Kissinger are ever held accountable).

        • TheNuszAbides

          yes, they’re ~planned~ (gasp!) in advance (pearls clutched!) no matter how one slices it. if you mean they’re also decided in advance, what is your preferred online source for getting this terrible truth out to the people? (or are all of those sources mere front operations?)

    • Greg G.

      Some people have nothing better to do than comment on what other people have no better to do. 80)

    • UWIR

      So a highly secretive organization put their symbols on one of the most highly circulated documents in the world?

    • Ignorant Amos

      Google is your friend….

      In 1782, the Eye of Providence was adopted as part of the symbolism on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. It was first suggested as an element of the Great Seal by the first of three design committees in 1776 and is thought to be the suggestion of the artistic consultant, Pierre Eugene du Simitiere.

      In his original proposal to the committee, Du Similtere placed the Eye over shields symbolizing each of the original thirteen states of the Union. On the version of the seal that was eventually approved, the Eye is positioned above an unfinished pyramid of thirteen steps (again symbolizing the original States, but incorporating the nation’s potential for future growth). The symbolism is explained by the motto that appears above the Eye: Annuit Coeptis, meaning “He [God] approves (or has approved) [our] undertakings”.

      Conspirators playing the long game do ya think?

    • TheNuszAbides

      why a pyramid on US money?

      why pasta in US restaurants? why greco-roman columns on individual state capitol buildings? where does the madness end?

      oh, wait, we already know your answer – The Ever-So-Credible Almighty.

  • wtfwjtd

    My favorite currency is the Clinton sex dollar bill. It features a portrait of Bill puffing on a stogie on the front, and the motto “In Lust We Trust” is featured prominently on the back.

    • Sophia Sadek

      I remember a Dick Gregory political campaign note when I was a wee lass.

  • Jim Jones

    Change God to Gold. One pen stroke. Or buy one of a number of stamps to correct the goddy error.

  • UWIR

    If you’re feeling particularly ornery, you can repeatedly withdraw money from your back, fix it, and then deposit it again. If every atheist were to do this to $100 a day, we could probably alter a large percentage of the currency within in a month.

    And if you really want to test the concept of “technically legal”, you could design your own currency without the motto, issue that currency, and spend it as if it’s regular money. As long as you keep cash on hand and allow any bearer of your currency to redeem it for federal reserve notes, you aren’t acting with intent to defraud, and so, in my extremely limited understanding that should not at all be relied upon, not violating counterfeiting laws.

    • There are lots of alternative currencies, most just meaningful locally, like Ithaca Hours (which are not redeemable for U.S. currency).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_currency

      My only hesitation with your scheme is that “defaced” money is apparently pulled out to be replaced. More defaced money means more expense for the Federal Reserve, and its half life might not be long.

      • UWIR

        Exactly!

        According to this article, “And according to moneyfactory.com, approximately 8.4 billion notes were printed in 2012. That includes every denomination and totals over $358 billion.” That works out to about $1000 per person. If 5% of the population participates, that’s $20,000 per participant. So if each participant fixes $2000 a month, the Fed will see their monthly printing costs double. On top of that, they’ll have to collect the fixed notes.

        If more than half of the Fed’s new bills are just to replace “In God We Trust”, maybe people will start reconsidering the policy. Making the Fed extra money is the whole point.

  • L.Long

    I think it is OK. As it is a statement of general policy…..
    In gawd we trust….everyone else pays cash! Its just that they ran out of room to print the whole statement.

  • Gordon

    I’m not in the US, but I have a US dollar on my desk that trusts in Zod – Kneel before Zod

  • RichardSRussell

    The Number of the Beast (1999 Edition)

    OK, we all know that 666 is the Number of the Beast. But did you know that:

    665.999 = Pentium number of the Beast

    DCLXVI = Roman numeral of the Beast

    666.0000 = number of the high-precision Beast

    0.666 = number of the millibeast

    666,000,000 = number of the megabeast

    / 666 = Beast common denominator

    666 * i = imaginary number of the Beast

    1010011010 = binary number of the Beast

    -0.809016994 = sine of the Beast

    7.194436287 = inverse hyperbolic cosine of the Beast

    666^(Manson) = exponent of the Beast

    6, uh… what was that number again? = number of the blonde Beast

    1-666 = area code of the Beast

    00666 = zip code of the Beast

    1-900-666-0666 = Live Beasts! 1-on-1 pacts! Call now! Only $6.66/minute. Over 6+6+6 only please.

    $665.95 = retail price of the Beast

    $710.30 = price of the Beast plus 6.66% state sales tax

    $769.95 = price of the Beast with all accessories and replacement soul

    $656.66 = Wal-Mart price of the Beast

    $646.66 = next week’s Wal-Mart price of the Beast

    Phillips 666 = gasoline of the Beast

    Route 666 = way of the Beast

    |666| = vodka best buy of the Beast

    666i = BMW of the Beast

    666° F = oven temperature for roast Beast

    666 mg = recommended minimum daily allowance of Beast

    666 Hz = pitch of the Beast

    666 (k) = retirement plan of the Beast

    6.66% = 5-year CD interest rate at 1st Beast of Hell National Bank, $666 minimum deposit

    DSM-666 (revised) = Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Beast

    668 = neighbor of the Beast

    999 = girlfriend of the Beast

    555 = number of the Wanna-Beast

    6 6/6 = Lucky number of the Beast

    ∂∂∂ = Leonardo da Vinci addressing the Beast

    6 = Reader’s Digest Condensed Version of the Beast

    666,000,000,000 = Carl Sagan contemplating the Beast

    666…+ = Jesus taking the Beast out for a stroll

    ¿¿¿ = BewildeBeast

    333 = the Beast as an adolescent

    700 Club = Beastly TV program

    Beasterly Hills 90666 = favorite TV show of the Beast

    .666 = good Beastball batting average

    6612 = sinus medicine of the Beast

    2 x 4 x 666 = lumbering Beast

    Lotus 6-6-6 = spreadsheet of the Beast

    Word 6.66 = word processor of the Beast

    i66686 = CPU of the Beast

    66.6 Kbps = communication rate of the Beast

    66.60.06.66 = IP address of the Beast

    666@hell.org = E-mail address of the Beast

    999 = the Beast doing a handstand

    696 = the Beast getting off on a porn flik

    • 666^666 = number of the googol beast

    • TheNuszAbides

      fully deserving of 666 upvotes.

      gotta love sine of the Beast. precious opportunity for performance art (complete with bloodcurdling scream while pointing at innocuous scribbling)

      • gotta love sine of the Beast

        Like sin(Beast)?

        • TheNuszAbides

          more elegant and double-entendre-tastic, of course, but not as – shall we say, ‘accessible’ via screamed phrasing?

  • Kodie

    I did that once and then I was thinking I shouldn’t have done so many, because then I needed to spend the money and I didn’t want my corner grocery clerk to realize they all came from me, as it seemed very obvious, and think I was attacking his business. I need that guy to like me and let me shop in his store!

  • Sophia Sadek

    Will the defaced currency pass muster with the automated counterfeit detectors that they have in stores?

    • In my research, I came across anecdotal evidence that some change machines won’t accept them. I should try them at my grocery store to see if they work there.

      • Sophia Sadek

        As a teen I worked at a store that sold obviously fake currency for $.30 a piece. The Feds put a stop to it because the play money could be used in change machines to get a dollar’s worth of change.

    • TheNuszAbides

      are there counterfeiters that can actually profit (or prove some significant point*) from making only the front of the bill perfectly convincing [to automated detection devices]? (just musing since every one of these schemes i’ve seen targets the back of the bill and the ‘updates for our protection’ seem entirely focused on the front.)

      *can’t put too much past independently wealthy pranksters, of course.

      • Sophia Sadek

        I am not familiar with how current change machine technology works. There may be a way to spoof it with an inexpensive counterfeit. That is usually the case.

  • steele

    For any atheist that wants to get rid of the filthy “God” money they can send it to me preferably $100s, LOL! What a childish display, pathetic

    • So you’d be OK with “In Allah We Trust” on your money? How about if it had a big, bold 666 on it?

      • steele

        Eh, maybe it would bother me a little only because it would be dumb. There is no history in this country of Islam being the dominant religion and 666 doesn’t really mean much as it’s just a number. Since the founding of this country there has been expressions of God (deist or Christian specifically) in various governmental documents and on the currency.

        I don’t know why you and Newdow let this bother you so much

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Newdow

        But render unto to Caesar what is Caesar as Jesus said. If you don’t like it get the FFRF and Newdow to petition the supreme court again but to be immature and deface currency with some secular BS is petty IMO.

        • Eh, maybe it would bother me a little only because it would be dumb.

          Ditto any reference to God. The First Amendment became law in 1791, and the country was clearly secular (as if the Constitution itself wasn’t evidence enough).

          There is no history in this country of Islam being the dominant religion

          And the First Amendment prohibits favoring one religion over another.

          I don’t know why you and Newdow let this bother you so much

          Some people don’t much care about the principles enshrined in the Constitution. Newdow and I do.

          to be immature and deface currency with some secular BS is petty IMO.

          And what about the politicians, eager for Christian votes, who ignore actual problems to posture with “In God We Trust” as a motto? How shall we label them?

        • Kodie

          Every Christian who thinks it’s no big deal and we all have to live with the “way things already are” don’t seem to remember they couldn’t live with things the way they were – they had to have the slogan on the money – MONEY for fuck’s sake – changed to reflect their values.

          Let’s stop and review – the propaganda against the Soviet Union being ongoing and a popular shitty argument, what can we do to say we’re better than they are? Spend money. But no, here we have our own propaganda, little green flyers that nobody will throw out and say “In God We Trust” on them. We already live in a country where most people already believe that without being reminded.

        • You’d think that motto on the money would be embarrassing. Seriously–how weak must your argument be if you must shanghai the government into promoting it?

        • Kodie

          What’s BS about secularism? It’s filthy money, not holy manna. Money is for everyone, and this country is secular. The 1st amendment says your religion is not “dominant” just the most popular, and that’s all fine and secular. The 1st amendment doesn’t allow your religion to be dominant. For fuck’s sake, it’s Christian graffiti, you assholes have to tag every goddamned thing, don’t you?

          How selfish and childish is that?

        • you assholes have to tag every goddamned thing

          Dogs tag light posts and fire hydrants. Same thing, I guess.

        • TheNuszAbides

          metaphysical pissings. [h/t Nirvana (band)]

        • Greg G.

          If Jesus was happy with coins having Caesar on them instead of God, why would you want money taking the Lord’s name in vain?

        • TheNuszAbides

          steele’s not good with complicated questions. the more unfortunate part is that he occasionally thinks he is.

    • Kodie

      It’s pretty childish that you need your money to speak to your imaginary friend. Sharpies are cheaper, beggar.

      • steele

        Oh I just want the money to buy Bibles and pass them out for free 😉

        • Kodie

          That’s also pretty childish. I can imagine it’s very difficult and lonely for you that not everyone shares your delusions that you have to pretend you’re doing a favor. Dear idiot who took a free bible: your donor is trying to run a scam.

    • Greg G.

      It has been noted that the “God” on money is just ceremonial deism. If it referred to your god, it would be illegal. I’ll take any bills you want to get rid of. I’ll give you a quarter for each dollar. Wait! Quarters say it, too. Pennies don’t have it. I’ll give you a penny for each dollar.

      • steele

        you mean like the illegal Constitution then

        done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the
        Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven
        hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of
        America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our
        Names

        Hmmmm….who is the Lord referring to exactly

        • Greg G.

          I don’t know. One gospel says Jesus was born in 4BC or earlier and the another says Jesus was born in 6AD so it is definitely not him.

        • Ron

          Could be the inspiration for a new song:

          Now if 6 turned out to be 4
          A legend’s born, A legend’s born

        • Greg G.

          Is that like “25 or 6 to 4”? I’m about 25 or 6 miles from Chicago at the moment.

        • Ron

          Ah, sounds like you’re on the Lamm

        • Rob

          “Jesus was born in 4BC”, & “Jesus was born in 6AD”

          Jesus was born 4 years before Christ, Jesus was born 6 years after Christ

          The average of 6 and -4 is 1, and since there was no year 0 AD, this is correct. Mathematics is always right.

          However, this is not reality, so clearly the real answer is that both dates are the correct date, because that always happens with pesky virgin births, plus there had to be a way for Jesus to be “born again”. And 6 minus -4 minus 1 (there was no year 0, remember) is 9, a good age to be born again, even though it’s a bit hard on the poor mother, especially if the little brat holds his breath. Quod erat demonstrandum.

          So, settled. Everything suddenly makes slightly more sense than before. So glad to have contributed to christian apologetics and atheist apologetics at the same time, now can we all just get along? Of course not!

        • It’s the calendar system in use at the time. They spell out anno domini in a formal document and you get a Christian boner?

          Doesn’t take much to get you excited. Look at the Mayflower Compact for some serious acknowledgement of God’s sovereignty. The Constitution has none.

        • Kodie

          That’s what you’re clinging to?

        • Ron

          From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli:

          “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion…”

        • TheNuszAbides

          i’m amazed (as it were) that that excerpt is never countered with a reference to the surely-buried-in-early-documents-somewhere contemporaneous blustery retort of a slaveholding [ergo plenty of free time to drum up political sympathy] congressman of Greater Moral Fiber bemoaning the Clear Insult to Yadda yadda yadda …

        • That was the style of the time for referring to the common era. It has no bearing on anyone’s religious beliefs, or government policies.

      • It’s a bizarre world when the atheist know what “In God We Trust” means, but Christians dismiss that as ceremonial deism without any actual meaning.

        (If it’s meaningless, then let’s just drop it for social harmony.)

  • Comrade Carrot-Blog Vegetarian

    Never been a fan of this sort of thing.

    In an ideal world, this civil disobedience would be a statement about church state separation that would encourage otherwise unconvinced theists to get on board.

    What it will actually do, I think, is confirm the suspicion among many theists that atheists are simply obnoxious and sophomoric, out to remove any mention of God from the public sphere for purely visceral reasons. We’re not going to be able to offer substantive commentary on the constitutionality of the relationship between the state and the church with two strokes of the pen, and I think it’s going to effectively offer theists permission to assume we don’t have any.

    • Comrade: You could be right.

      My own view is the “let a thousand flowers bloom” approach, where lots of diverse responses will create lots of diverse reactions. But I could be wrong.

      Do you have a suggestion for how to respond? Or do you just want to give the Christians and GOP their silly slogan and focus on more important things?

      • Comrade Carrot-Blog Vegetarian

        I do lean toward the “we have bigger fish to fry” camp, in that (in terms of the expected return from an investment of time) our time would be far better spent politically advocating against things like faith healing, and YEC intrusion into science education. The harms done by things of this sort are fare more concrete and extensive, less entrenched in the American mind than ceremonial deism, and (in many cases) fully recognized by theists whose support we can effectively leverage.

        One approach that I really support is direct engagement with theists in cases where there’s a real opportunity to explain our opposition to the motto. I used to live in a state, for example, where “in God we trust” was printed on the default version of all license plates. Secular plates were available at no extra charge, but you had a to ask for them. That gave me more than a few opportunites to convey, at the BMV and elsewhere, why the presumption of eutheism was not only constitutionally problematic, but dismissive to many religious people.

        I was studying dystheism and post-holocaust theology pretty heavily at the time, and was able to convey not only why this was of concern to people who don’t believe in God, but to people who were really struggling with God, and whose religious beliefs were devalued by the state’s suggestion that “real Americans” – “we” – have a pithy trust in God…not a complicated and profoundly personal relationship with him that sometime involves disappointment and regret.

        The point hit a lot harder, and left the suggestion that millions of Americans (not simply atheists, Adventists, JW’s…etc) have not only constitutional, but “religious” reasons for objecting to the motto…a fact they’ll be reminded of every time they open up their wallet. These people vote, and when the subject of religiously-neutral currency comes up in the public discourse, they’ll be able to personally identify with those who advocate for it.

        Meanwhile, as we focus on the stuff that really matters, they’ll see not only that we have genuine principles, but that we I have our priorities straight. It will make it a great deal harder for them to consider our views to be dismissable.

        • Cygnus

          If it was important for brainwashed Christians to request “god” written on the money, thus disrespecting the secular principle on which the United States of America stands, why is it not important to bring that violation up to be discussed, or discussing methods to make Christians understand that Christianity is not anymore totalitarian or state religion?

        • Comrade Carrot-Blog Vegetarian

          It is important. I argued for exactly that sort of direct engagement with theists.

        • TheNuszAbides

          the stamp presented by user ‘E Pluribus Unum’ is IMO quite succinct and only facially juvenile to the least approachable knee-jerks anyway. of course, that costs more time/money than Sharpie shenanigans …

      • I would like to see such ceremonial deism go by the wayside. I suspect that Comrade may be right, though, that this particular approach may do more harm than good.

        • TheNuszAbides

          just as there are types who will always find something to be offended over, there are thought-leaders who will spin anything with the merest whiff of {Not Our Precious Faith} into the next outrage du jour. nevertheless i agree that anything with fence-sitter-poking potential deserves tactical analysis.

  • pageroks

    Not a Christian and don’t care for the motto but really? Bit childish.

    • I’m not sure what you’re saying.

      If you’re saying that the motto on the money is not that big a deal, to some extent I agree with you. People being corralled by the Gestapo would be worse. Still, “In God We Trust” is a slap at the Constitution. I like the Constitution and want to defend it–there’s the big deal.

      • pageroks

        If sitting around a diner table with black sharpie is the most you can bother with you are not that dedicated.

        • Kodie

          Welcome to Mr. Seidensticker’s blog, if you think crossing out god on his dollars is “the most he can bother with.” Sheesh.

        • pageroks

          I didn’t realize this was where his friends who know him so intimately post. Guess I will move along.

        • Kodie

          Don’t say ignorant things like “the most you can bother with.” Why do people think, if you say one thing about one thing you did, that’s the only thing you care about or do about it? He has a blog too, you’re writing on it, and you seem aware of that fact, since you addressed the original article; he’s also written some books, participated in debates, and made a few videos.

        • What happened to pageroks? Is this another Christian who deleted her account because she wasn’t banned?

        • Kodie

          Embarrassment probably.

        • Good point; I should do more. I think I’ll start a blog and explore the arguments for Christianity.

          Oops–never mind. I already did that, four years ago.

        • MR

          Yeah, you lazy bastard! Drop the sharpie and come up with more blog posts. MORE BLOG POSTS!

        • Ignorant Amos

          Little acorns and all that jazz.

      • adam
        • All this excitement about supporting God, and yet God doesn’t seem to care much at all. Is he unable to get off the couch to defend himself so he needs people like this sheriff to defend him? It’s almost like the atheists are right, given the evidence that God has given for his mere existence.

        • Ignorant Amos

          Some knuckle dragging wanker’s in the comments thread at that link mate….my head is spinning at the bilge I’ve just read.

        • TheNuszAbides

          Some knuckle dragging wanker’s in the comments thread at that link

          based on every coherent statement i’ve read about the quality of any aspect of that site, i would say “welcome to the blaze”, but so far i haven’t seen fit to be darkened by its halls, so i’ll forgo the perilous skirting of hypocrisy.