Easter Potpourri: A Look at the Crucifixion, Resurrection, and More

Easter Potpourri: A Look at the Crucifixion, Resurrection, and More March 29, 2018

Easter is upon us, and perhaps fate is making a deliberate joke by placing it on April Fool’s Day. But let’s set that aside and review some Easter topics from previous blog posts.

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  • Bob Jase

    if only Rick Santorum had been there to teach the apostles CPR…

    • RichardSRussell

      I’ve got a friend who calls him Rick Sanatarium.

      Of course, you know what you get when you Google his actual last name, right?

    • Greg G.

      Here is Santorum trying to walk that back:

      https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/03/28/rick-santorum-misspoke-cpr-shootings-sot-newday.cnn

      It turned my stomach when he started talking about the “positives things that have come out from the mass shootings”. He says there are things that are unifying. Are other countries more unified than the United States?

      • Kodie

        There is a kind of flaw, I would call it, in humanity, where people need tragedies to really put forth an effort to other people. Of course, this fades away, and we need another tragedy. I wouldn’t call it unifying at all. I call it taking a pause on how we really are, it’s overcompensation. Some events are really harsh on us, and we survivors need to reaffirm our faith in humanity by seeking out the comfort of others and acting through our pain to do some repair. I wouldn’t say it’s as nothing as thoughts and prayers, but I don’t really see any substantial good coming out of anything really bad. It’s an emotional mourning period, not an activism.

  • Raging Bee

    BEHOLD, HE IS RISEN! Ha ha, made you look! April Fool!

    • Bob Jase

      Its’ the yeast that does it.

      • Ctharrot

        Happy Yeaster!

    • grasshopper

      Thats’s not all that is risen. I’m so hot for Jesus, i waken every Easter Sunday with a resurrection of my own.

    • Otto

      Shoot him again…

      • Kevin K

        In the head…that’s the only way to kill a zombie.

  • RichardSRussell

    And the side-by-side 4-column comparison of the 4 gospels’ “Resurrection” Chronology.

    Plus the flat-tire story that explains why their failure to get their story straight is prima facie evidence that they’re all lying.

  • skl

    “Jesus: Just One More Dying and Rising Savior:
    Mythology has many precedents to the story of the resurrection of Jesus. Let’s
    look at some of these gods and see if they’re any less compelling than Jesus.”

    What we need here on this blog are critiques of the beliefs and practices of today’s
    followers of Tammuz, or of Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, or Baal.

    • Greg G.

      Bullet point 14 covers all of the serious followers of those gods.

    • Kodie

      Go fuck yourself, how’s that for a critique?

      • Pofarmer

        succinct.

    • epeeist

      What we need here on this blog are critiques of the beliefs and practices of today’s followers of Tammuz, or of Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, or Baal.

      So the most popular religion must be true?

      Let’s have a look at that shall we.

      At the moment Christianity is the most popular world religion, so using your “logic” this must be true. But hold on a minute, Christianity is made up of many different sects so what we must obviously do is choose the most popular one, which would be Catholicism. So Catholicism must be the true religion. But hold on again, the RCC claims that the number of Catholics in the world is around 1.2 billion while the world population is around 7.6 billion which would mean that less than 16% of the world’s population is Catholic. It turns out therefore that Catholicism isn’t popular at all and again using your “logic” it must be false.

      • skl

        “So the most popular religion must be true?”

        Not at all.

        But Christianity is certainly the most “popular” resurrection religion on this blog. Just suggesting that we see critiques of the beliefs and practices of today’s followers of the other resurrection gods – Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, Baal for comparison.

        • Susan

          Just suggesting that we see critiques of the beliefs and practices of today’s followers of the other resurrection gods – Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, Baal for comparison.

          Then, start your own blog.

          The name and description of this one is “Cross Examined- Clear Thinking About Christianity.

        • Kodie

          Why are you still here? Bob must be very nice.

        • Greg G.

          Christianity is the dominant religion in this country to the point of being a problem. This blog is dedicated to the problems of that religions. The name of the blog is “Cross Examined,” a play on court terminology and the logo of the religion.

          You should start a blog called, “Irrelevant Dead Religions Examined.”

        • skl

          “You should start a blog called, “Irrelevant Dead Religions Examined.””

          Or Bob could address here how those other resurrection religions of Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, Baal became irrelevant and dead.

          They may hold some clues on how to make Christianity dead
          and irrelevant.

        • Susan

          They may hold some clues on how to make Christianity dead
          and irrelevant.

          The point of the blog is not to figure out how to do that.

          It is to examine christian claims and the arguments they use to justify those claims.

          So far, those arguments are terrible.

          But you already know that. And we already know that you’re a disingenuous weasel.

          If it means that much to you, go do some research on why religions die (as most of them have) and get back to us when you’ve got something.

          Don’t overlook the sword. And childhood indoctrination. Those seem to play a huge part.

        • Greg G.

          If those religions held any political force over the rest of the world, that would be a great idea.

        • skl

          “If those religions held any political force over the rest
          of the world, that would be a great idea.”

          I thought the general premise was that all religions are a
          false front for a political force. If that’s so, then one might consider what happened to these other religions of resurrecting gods and why.

        • Greg G.

          There are thousands of religions. Most hold little political power. But if you think they are worth going after, start a blog.

        • quinsha

          Have another religion come and force convert people at sword point?

        • Otto

          Since you are not a Christian why does this get your undies in a knot?

        • skl

          I thought you were interested in making Christianity dead and irrelevant.

        • Otto

          You thought wrong

        • skl

          So you’re interested in making Christianity vibrant and relevant.

        • Otto

          False dichotomy…some skeptic you are

        • Zeta

          You are yet another confused Christianity apologist. Over at Debunking Christianity, at least two very active apologists raised the same issue: “Why do posters here keep on attacking Christianity? Why you all do not debunk Islam?” I had to remind them, as other posters here have similarly pointed out to you, of the name of the blog and asked them to start their own blog. Too much nonsense in Christianity is bad for you.

        • Joe

          Why would a blog, which by definition is written to be read by as many people as possible, critique the least popular religions?

      • Islam is expected to surpass Christianity in a few decades. Christianity must be true now … but it won’t be by 2070. Then Islam will be true.

        Or something.

    • RichardSRussell

      What we need here on this blog are critiques of the beliefs and practices of today’s followers of Tammuz, or of Osiris, Dionysus, Adonis, Attis, or Baal.

      OK, here ya go, my friend: “They were all just as crazy as the followers of Jesus.”

    • Doubting Thomas

      Are you really all that surprised that a blog with the subtitle “Clear Thinking About Christianity” talks mainly about Christianity?

    • JP415

      Yes. If a religion is popular, then it must be true, right? I mean, it’s not as though lots of people believe things that are bunk! Perish the thought.

    • What point were you even trying to make here? Obviously he won’t do that since they don’t have followers anymore, so far as I know.

    • Otto

      When is the last time you made a post defending followers of Osiris?

  • Max Doubt
  • JustAnotherAtheist2

    The apostle Paul claims that 500 people saw Jesus alive after his crucifixion. This claim is popular among apologists who imagine this as strong evidence that the crucifixion is historical. This argument crumbles before it’s even fully out of their mouths

    FTFY.

    • Scooter

      Consider this quote by Chuck Colson which does have a veneer of persuasion.
      “I know the resurrection is a fact, and Watergate proved it to me. How? Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, then they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Every one was beaten, tortured, stoned and put in prison. They would not have endured that if it weren’t true. Watergate embroiled 12 of the most powerful men in the world-and they couldn’t keep a lie for three weeks. You’re telling me 12 apostles could keep a lie for 40 years? Absolutely impossible.”

      • Susan

        Consider this quote by Chuck Colson

        Do you have anything but asinine quotes? Because your quotes are invariably asinine.

        The worst part is that when people respond and tell you why they are assinine, you ignore them, provide one or a few more asinine quotes and then disappear for long stretches of time.

        When you return, you return with more assinine quotes.

        You’d think an omniscient deity would send better messengers.

        • Scooter

          Actually Susan, I ignore assinine replies such as yours. But tell me why do you consider Colson’s quote to be assinine?

        • Susan

          For starters, you can’t show that twelve specific men testified that they had seen Jesus raised from the dead. Specifically, who were these men? Name them.

          I could go on. But we’ll start there.

          I ignore assinine replies.

          You igore all replies and just post more assinine nonsense. Stick around and show your work.

        • JustAnotherAtheist2

          Yeah, it is a blatant false dichotomy. Even if we accept the deaths as accurate, it isn’t either true or a conspiracy, they could have also genuinely believed it. Or believed a version different than what is depicted in the Bible. Not that we have any reason to accept Die for a Lie, but the point is that the argument fails even if you surrender every bit of ground asked for. It’s one of the dumbest apologetics I’ve seen…which says a lot given the company.

        • Joe

          Nobody would die for a lie. Suicide bombers speak to the truth of Islam.

        • Scooter

          Specifically they were Peter,James, John, Andrew, Bartholomew or Nathanael, James, the Lesser or Younger, Jude or Thaddeus, Matthew or Levi, Philip, Simon the Zealot, and Thomas. Their lives testified to a living Christ as Colson’s quote indicates.

        • JustAnotherAtheist2

          I suggest you read this:

          https://celsus.blog/2012/12/18/48/

        • Scooter

          After skimming through I can appreciate the confused skepticism that has taken hold in many atheists’ minds concerning the evidentiary nature of the resurrection. it would take a great deal of time to deconstruct the many points brought out in the article -not suitable for this forum.

        • Susan

          not suitable for this forum

          Why not? You made a claim that doesn’t pan out.

          You brought it up and now are expected to deal with the problems of your claim.

          That is exactly suited to “this forum”.

          Or retract your claim. As it should not be suited to this forum, either.

        • Kodie

          It must be more suitable for the toilet then.

        • JustAnotherAtheist2

          “Evidentiary nature of the resurrection”…that’s a good one.

          Why don’t you pick an argument of your choosing to address? No need to rebut the entire piece, and if you offer something compelling we’ll likely want to hear more of your replies.

        • Greg G.

          The problem is not with atheist minds. The stories were put forth by Christians and the writings were maintained through history by Christians.

          This forum is “Cross Examined”. This is the best forum possible to discuss these points!

        • Greg G.

          The multiple deaths of Jude, Matthew, Simon the Zealot testify that lie was their deaths.

        • 11 disciples died? What’s your source?

        • TheNuszAbides
        • You’d think an omniscient deity would send better messengers.

          He’s on a tight budget. He uses Scooter because he’s an unpaid intern.

        • Greg G.

          Consider the most beautiful sunrise or sunset you have ever seen. Now imagine how spectacular it would have been if God had money and didn’t need to rely on beggars behind pulpits.

        • Susan

          He’s on a tight budget. He uses Scooter because he’s an unpaid intern.

          That explains why he always needs our money.

      • JustAnotherAtheist2

        Huh? Is this satire?

        Edit: FWIW, the quote provided is so stupid and so unrelated to my original comment that I had to read your response three times to realize you were being serious.

      • Greg G.

        Right, those apostles really suffered many excruciating deaths, and I do mean many.

        Matthew not only died a peaceful death in Ethiopia, he was also killed by a sword in Parthia, and he was burned alive in an unnamed city.

        Simon the Zealot died by crucifixion in Britain, then died by crucifixion in Samaria, and was sawn in half in Persia. Or maybe he was sawn in half first, then crucified in the other two places. Yeah, that makes more sense.

        Jude was crucified in Turkey and was sawn in half with Simon the Zealot.

        Judas Isacariot died by suicidal hanging according to Matthew, died by tripping in Acts, died after being run over by a chariot according to another source, and was stoned to death according to another source.

        Maybe the different sects just tried to improve their accounts of apostolic succession by inventing “more noble” deaths by their favorite apostle. They all seem to have been made up in the second century.

        They didn’t die for a lie. Christians lied about their deaths.

        • JustAnotherAtheist2

          Good info, thanks.

      • Uh … it’s a story. It doesn’t need to work according to the rules of reality.

      • Joe

        That’s a great story. If only it was true.

      • Greg G.

        Here is another account for the death of Iscariot:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papias_of_Hierapolis#Death_of_Judas

        Death of Judas
        According to a scholium attributed to Apollinaris of Laodicea, Papias also related a tale on the grotesque fate of Judas Iscariot:[49]

        Judas did not die by hanging[50] but lived on, having been cut down before he choked to death. Indeed, the Acts of the Apostles makes this clear: Falling headlong he burst open in the middle and his intestines spilled out.[51] Papias, the disciple of John, recounts this more clearly in the fourth book of the Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord, as follows:

        Judas was a terrible, walking example of ungodliness in this world, his flesh so bloated that he was not able to pass through a place where a wagon passes easily, not even his bloated head by itself. For his eyelids, they say, were so swollen that he could not see the light at all, and his eyes could not be seen, even by a doctor using an optical instrument, so far had they sunk below the outer surface. His genitals appeared more loathsome and larger than anyone else’s, and when he relieved himself there passed through it pus and worms from every part of his body, much to his shame. After much agony and punishment, they say, he finally died in his own place, and because of the stench the area is deserted and uninhabitable even now; in fact, to this day one cannot pass that place without holding one’s nose, so great was the discharge from his body, and so far did it spread over the ground.

      • Otto

        Gee did they have a congressional hearing to get to the truth of the matter?

        Nope…didn’t think so.

        But Chuck did time in prison for the lies he spread…

        • Greg G.

          But Chuck learned his lesson about lying in prison. He turned over a new leaf. Under the leaf was, “Lie about things that cannot be falsified.”

        • Otto

          He must be a dumb ass because I learned that lesson in about 2nd grade.

          As I understand it he was also good at creating win/win scenarios for his prison ministry which grossly (I would say fraudulently) inflated his success rate. If I create a drug and alcohol rehab program and the final step to the program is to not ever do drugs or alcohol again I can almost guarantee my numbers are going to be outstanding.

  • RichardSRussell

    You know why they call it the Last Supper, right? The disciples were OK with the bread = body and wine = blood schtick, but they drew the line when the mayonnaise came out.

  • Kevin K

    I have a lot of friends who are nominally Christian (twice a year Christian at best), and of course, this was one of those twice’s a year. So, I’ve been treated to lots of photos of friends with their kids dressed in in shiny new outfits and the like. The friends who are more-than-nominal Christians seemed to all post something about zombie Jesus instead. It was an interesting marker for how religious they were.

    My secular/atheist friends mainly stayed away from posting.

    • quinsha

      My only concession to the holiday was cooking lamb for dinner. I get lamb once a year because it is so expensive.

      • Greg G.

        Maybe lamb is expensive at this time of year because of the demand. A friend had a restaurant and he started offering lamb as a meat choice because it was cheaper than beef and he could charge more for it than chicken.

        • Kevin K

          I love lamb burgers, but ground lamb is extremely hard to find in my neck of the woods.

  • Paul

    “How many days did Jesus teach after his resurrection? Was it 40 days as Acts says or less than one as Luke says?”

    Did Luke actually say it was less than one day or did you assume that’s what he said and meant? When you go see a movie, do you interpret the events taking place place in only 2 hours (or however long the movie is)? Time compression is often used in movies and books.

    • Greg G.

      Did Luke actually say it was less than one day or did you assume that’s what he said and meant?

      Yes, Luke says exactly that it was the same day. Luke 24:1-12 is the women and Peter at the tomb. Luke 24:13 says “Now on that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus…” The two met Jesus and invited him in and conversed with him until he vanished in Luke 24:31. Luke 24:33 says, “That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven and their companions gathered together.” In Luke 24:36, “While they were talking about this,” Jesus appears to them all and talks and eats with them for a few verses. In Luke 24:50, he leads them to Bethany where he blesses them and while he was blessing them, he was carried up to heaven. The disciples returned to Jerusalem. The End.

      • Paul

        If the question were “When did two men meet Jesus on the way to Emmaus?”, then the answer would be the same day as the resurrection.

        “In Luke 24:50, he leads them to Bethany…”

        Does Luke say that this happened on the same day?

      • Kevin K

        Of course, no one really knows where this “Emmaus” is…

        Bethany seems to exist, as a suburb of Jerusalem. You could walk there in an hour or so.