Bryan Fischer Brings the Crazy at Values Voters Summit

Bryan Fischer Brings the Crazy at Values Voters Summit October 11, 2011

Bryan Fischer’s speech at the Values Voters Summit was even dumber than expected — which hardly seems possible.

“I submit to you that not a single one of our unalienable rights will be safe,” Fischer said, “in the hands of a president who believes that we evolved from slime and that we are the descendents of apes and baboons.” Fischer called the separation of church and state “mythical” and argued that a result of secular government and the theory of evolution result in mass murder like in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and Maoist China.

I don’t care who you are, that’s some serious stupid right there. It’s particularly ironic given that Fischer himself clearly doesn’t believe in unalienable rights — except for Christians, of course. I mean, except for his own particular version of Christianity.

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  • What does animal heredity have to do with whether or not we’re entitled to rights? I don’t care about other people specifically because they’re made of meat. I care about people because they’re thinking, feeling, conscious beings like I am.

    It’s getting into the cartoon villainy where fictional sentient robots are treated as property. Personhood is distinct from being classified as animal/vegetable/mineral/natural/artificial. Of course, my cynicism about these sorts of people extends to the point that I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to deny civil rights to people conceived via artificial insemination. A chunk of them certainly seemed eager to do the same when the prospect of human cloning was a big issue.

  • eric

    “I submit to you that not a single one of our unalienable rights will be safe,” Fischer said, “in the hands of a president who believes that we evolved from slime and that we are the descendents of apes and baboons.”

    Wouldn’t that be most presidents from the late 1800s to today? Reagan and GW Bush appear to be exceptions, not the rule.

  • Rey Fox

    So these are the guys that gave a poll win to Ron Paul? Lovely.

  • Bryan Fischer seems to me to be irrefutable proof that humans evolved from slime.

  • scienceavenger

    The Wingnut bubble Fischer lives in must have solid walls to keep him fom seeing that all over the world those societies that mostly accept evolution (France, Germany, England, Canada, etc.) protect our unalienable rights to a far greater degree than those that don’t (Iran, Somolia, Turkey, etc.). I know reality, details…

  • jimmiraybob

    I suspect that BF has never thought through the “unalienable” rights thingy in light of Scripture and his own brand of understanding. I think that if he did he’d have to switch over to “alienable rights” instead (after all, they do say that the big guy is all powerful and has done some pretty amazing alienabling in the past with a promise for more in the future). Or, at the very least, to a conspicuously asterisked version (e.g., unalienable for me and mine but not for thee and thyne).

    Of course, I am thinking in terms of the “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”, he may be working off of a different list. And also too, I have no credentials in magical thinking regarding the definition of these terms – like I said, would need asterisks.

  • d cwilson

    What does animal heredity have to do with whether or not we’re entitled to rights? I don’t care about other people specifically because they’re made of meat. I care about people because they’re thinking, feeling, conscious beings like I am.

    Fischer starts with the premise that only his fellow travelers have “inalienable” rights. So, right away, being a thinking, feeling or conscious being isn’t what defines whether you have rights. It’s that you believe in his magic sky friend/zombie who wants you to eat him.

    When you’re stuck in a default mentality that allows you to take rights away from someone elese, your natural assumption is that they would do the same thing if the roles were reverse. Therefore, someone who believes in such heresies as “science” and “facts” must be out to take away your rights. Because that’s what you want to do to them.

  • How did Bryan Fischer become famous anyway? The trick to being a wingnut leader, as opposed to a follower, is to use subtlety: don’t say crazy shit out in public, speak in code, and let your supporters know privately what you think (which is to say, who you hate). That way you get peddle your nonsense without being banned from polite company. But Fischer is about as subtle as Japanese tentacle porn. He opens up the hate-crazy spigot full blast wherever he goes. Why does he still have a career?

  • MyPetSlug

    The trick to being a wingnut leader, as opposed to a follower, is to use subtlety

    Here’s a hint for you Area Man, this *is* Bryan Fischer being subtle. This is the shit he thinks it’s ok to say out loud. Just imagine what he says to people in private?

  • “I submit to you that not a single one of our unalienable rights will be safe,” Fischer said, “in the hands of a president who believes that we evolved from slime and that we are the descendents of apes and baboons.”

    He actually wants to say atheist, but says the hell with it and throws in a gratuitous dig at evolution instead. (Due to his demagogic and dog whistle blowing nature. *toot toot!*)

  • Why do so many of these characters look like Wally George?

  • fifthdentist

    What, no condemnation of that crazy “Round Earth Theory”?

    Obviously, to be a good Christianist one must believe that there is a mountain from which all the nations of the world can be viewed. And for that to be accurate the world must indeed be flat.

    I swear to nothing, these guys would be happy in a world where we’re reduced to the Stone Age … as long as USia had more rocks than all the other countries combined. Where having 50 percent of babies died before their first birthday would be considered great, as long as Bible-god killed them and they weren’t aborted by slutty women.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Meh. It’s all just a dog whistle for “them’s not like us, be afraid!”

  • Aquaria

    The trick to being a wingnut leader, as opposed to a follower

    You seem to be mistaken about why the conservatives give this scumbag a platform. It’s not to bring new people into his insane asylum, but to push the Overton Window further from sense and humanity, to make their stupidity normal, when the vast majority of people thought they were insane only ten years ago.

    For example, if you move the OW far enough to the right, and a center-right authoritarian like Obama becomes a far left socialist to the gaping maw of stupid that is America’s mushy middle.

  • abb3w

    Bronze Dog:

    What does animal heredity have to do with whether or not we’re entitled to rights?

    Firing up the Wingnuttia pseudo-reasoning emulator:

    1) Evolutionists do not believe in a creator

    2) Per the Declaration, rights are inalienable because they were endowed by the creator

    3) Therefore, an absence of a creator implies an absence of inalienable rights

  • Bronze Dog:

    Therefore, an absence of a creator implies an absence of inalienable rights

    A more reasonable interpretation might be:

    – Certain rights are claimed to be “inalienable”

    – We observe that they are trampled, in many times, and many places

    – Therefore they are not “inalienable”

    Although another interpretation is that the notion of “rights” implies that they cannot be taken away, or should not be taken away and that the “rights” exist even while they are being violated. I.e.: in spite of the fact that we have censorship, your first amendment rights remain intact, because you have the right to free speech even though we punish you if you speak freely. Now, that sounds like something that’d come out of the White House’s Office of Legal Counsel.

    I’d say that we have certain “privileges” that are granted to us by our overlords. Who do a good job of telling us, once they grant us the privilege, that it was our “right” all along. You know, like womens’ right to vote and dark-skinned people’s right to own themselves and so forth.

  • pa747sp

    ‘Fischer called the separation of church and state “mythical”’

    Unfortunately, true.

    By the way, why do these people who orgasm at the thought of a truly theocratic government never mention the Spanish or Italian Inquisitions? In the good old days, the state/church did a splendid job of maintaining the inalienable rights of the Catholics by murdering everyone else.

  • martymcconnell

    Isn’t freedom of religion and inalienable right? You know, the right to choose any religion or no religion without fear of persecution, prosecution, imprisonment, and dare I say condemnation. Point me to where any holy book or God endows this notion. You can’t. There’s no way one can reconcile the first amendment and the first commandment.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    tomtallis @ # 4: Bryan Fischer seems to me to be irrefutable proof that humans evolved from slime.

    Eh? How do you derive that “evolved from” part?