Pat Robertson: Christian First, American Second

Pat Robertson: Christian First, American Second February 9, 2012

On the 700 Club recently, Pat Robertson declared that while it’s okay for him to a Christian first and an American second, it’s not okay for Muslims to consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second because they’re “under the control of a foreign power.”

Watts: Gerald says, ‘Pat, earlier today you ran a report about Muslims in Spain. The reporter mentioned that seven out of ten Muslims there consider themselves to be Muslims first, rather than Spanish. It was presented as if it’s a bad thing. But is it wrong that they put their religion before their nationality? After all, do you consider yourself to be a Christian first, or an American?’

Robertson: That’s a good, good question. Of course I consider myself to be Christian first, American second. But this Muslim thing is a cultural matter. I don’t want to go force women to wear certain kinds of dress and to have certain dietary laws and to marry a certain way, I don’t believe in controlling people. I think good citizenship says if I’m a good Christian I’ll also be a good citizen. But if I am under control of a foreign power that’s a whole different matter and that’s what we’re talking about here; are they under the control of the domination mentally of the thought processes that come out of Mecca? If that’s the case they’re not going to be good citizens of Spain so, no being a good Christian ahead of being America is not a bad thing.

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  • Chiroptera

    I don’t want to go force women…to marry a certain way, I don’t believe in controlling people.

    Can anyone spot the lie?

  • lordshipmayhem

    Hey, Pat, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander – you can’t have it one way for you and another way for somebody else.

    Silly wingnut.

  • raven

    Pat Robertson: Christian First, American Second

    That’s nice Pat.

    Now why don’t you shuffle off and find a xian theocracy, join it, and leave our country and us alone?

  • michaeld

    So he’d be fine with people who are say a wiccan first and an american second? Cause there’s no central body for wiccans right.

  • gshelley

    I cant help but suspect he doesn’t really mean that he doesn’t want to control people’s lives

    Of course, the difference for him is that he only wants to force the kind of rules god actually wants, rather than some fake religious ones.

  • Chiroptera

    But if I am under control of a foreign power that’s a whole different matter and that’s what we’re talking about here; are they under the control of the domination mentally of the thought processes that come out of Mecca?

    What? Does Pat really think that there is an Islamic Politburo headquartered in Mecca?

  • Lycanthrope

    Chiroptera:

    Ooh! What is, “most everything Pat Robertson says,” Alex?

  • a miasma of incandescent plasma

    See, wanting to tell people who they can and can’t marry based on gender, telling women (and their partners) that if your protection fails you must carry a fetus to full-term and give birth and at best adopt out, controlling school boards to force certain non-science into science classrooms, forcing people to pray a certain way in schools and government meetings, etc… All of that isn’t a desire to control based from a foreign power (cause the bible was written in uh’merika too), see all of that is just trying to help people live life the right way… his way. Big diff! See?!

  • Lycanthrope

    Chiroptera again:

    I think he does. There’s a strange notion out there that a lot of people hold that when any group thinks mostly entirely the same thing about a given issue, they must be taking orders from some kind of authority figure, oligarchy, or central command. I would hazard a guess that this is often projection on their part, because these people themselves take their cues from an authority, and can’t imagine doing otherwise.

  • Alverant

    So would his logic be used against Catholics since they are under a foreign power like the Vatican? Which “foreign power” is he talking about? Islam doesn’t have a nation does it? Sure there are places where islam is in power but the religion itself is nationless. It’s like saying a christian is under control of Italy because christianity is prominate in that country.

  • d cwilson

    What Pat really means is that religious freedoms are for Christians only because only Christianity teaches you to be a “good citizen”. All others are suspect.

    Here’s another example of that mindset:

    Protesters Disrupt Senate Hindu Prayer

    The prayer was briefly interrupted by protestors in the Senate gallery, who shouted, “This is an abomination!”

    The male protester told an AP reporter, “We are Christians and patriots” before police handcuffed them and led them away.

  • bahrfeldt

    I remember a few years back on TV he claimed the media hated him because he was a “Super Patriot”. But, both his actions and advocacy over many years are more than enough evidence to prove he is never loyal to any god or nation if he has not already determined how he can profit from such an adherence.

  • DaveL

    I don’t want to go force women to wear certain kinds of dress

    Yes, you do.

    and to marry a certain way

    Yes, you do.

    I don’t believe in controlling people.

    Yes, you do.

    I’ll spot you the dietary laws, though.

  • Abby Normal

    I think this was code for, “Don’t trust a Catholic.” Like Protestantism, Islam has no central authority. They just have religious leaders influential within certain groups or sects, much like Robertson himself. So unless he’s just completely full of shit, I figure he must have been talking about Catholics.

    What’s that? I’m now being told that Robertson is indeed completely full of shit. Sorry Catholics, I didn’t mean to stir things up. No need to call your old IRA buddies.

    Man those terrorists scare bejebus out of me.

  • slc1

    Re Alverant @ #10

    At one time, Robertson used to refer to the Raping Children Church as the whore of Babylon

  • And I always thought he was Greedy Bastard first, Christian second and American a distant third.

    Oh well! You live and learn don’tcha!

  • abb3w

    @10, Alverant:

    So would his logic be used against Catholics since they are under a foreign power like the Vatican?

    Historically speaking: very likely. It was decidedly an issue for Kennedy in 1960, and considered one of the reasons behind the failure of Al Smith’s candidacy in 1928. And in the current campaign, I would be surprised if the issue does not continue to be openly raised in the case of Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney.

    Mind you, I would consider either quoting Kennedy’s address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association to be a fully satisfactory and comprehensive rebuttal to the challenge:

    I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

    I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

    For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

    Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

    That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe--a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of any one religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.

    However, somehow I can’t see either of them daring to say such a thing.

  • I’m_not

    “But if I am under control of a foreign power that’s a whole different matter”.

    If he meant to condemn Catholicism, All the orthodox churches and large chunks of the Anglican Communion why does he only mention Islam which this is not true of?

    Oh yes, idiocy.

  • matty1

    Pat Robertson: Christian First, American Second

    Where does he rank human being, ten billionth?

  • Chiroptera

    I’m_not, #18: …large chunks of the Anglican Communion….

    I think that all the churches of the Anglican communion are all governed by their various national bodies.

    Not sure about the orthodox, though.

  • Michael Heath

    Pat Robertson gives a very convincing argument he’s right, precisely because he graduated from Yale Law School. This is the primary rebuttal I’ve encountered by people in my circle of associates who love them some Robertson, enough to actually read his [ghost-written] books.

    I advise not attempting to logically reconcile this argument to the popular conservative Christian argument such degrees are signs of elitists who are always wrong and are to be ridiculed and avoided – you head might explode.

  • matty1

    are they under the control of the domination mentally of the thought processes that come out of Mecca?

    What comes out of Mecca? The place may be religiously important to Muslims but it isn’t the base of any kind of Islamic leader. This is like saying Christians are run from Bethlehem.

  • M Groesbeck

    What’s that? I’m now being told that Robertson is indeed completely full of shit. Sorry Catholics, I didn’t mean to stir things up. No need to call your old IRA buddies.

    Be careful — now you’ve insulted Pat Robertson, a Protestant, who might have to get his Ulster Volunteer Force buddies on you.

    Funny how when any religion gets big enough, it can sustain sectarian warfare among its own factions. Isn’t it nice how religion brings us all together?

  • Chiroptera

    matty1, #22: What comes out of Mecca?

    Thought waves, evidently.

  • matty1

    @20 I think it depends on the kind of links you are talking about. Both Anglicans and Orthodox are made up of self governing churches but those churches tend to have various formal links that DIY versions of protestantism lack.

  • I don’t believe in controlling people.

    I stopped reading right there. I’m pretty sure lying is a sin.

  • matty1

    Chiroptera

    matty1, #22: What comes out of Mecca?

    Thought waves, evidently.

    Ah the exact opposite of what comes out of Pat Robertson then.

  • jnorris

    Raven in #3:

    Pat has contacts in Liberia and the Democratic Republic of Congo (was Zaire). Perhaps he can build a Christian theocratic City on the Hill in either country. And if those don’t work, Uganda will be perfect after they murder all the gays.

  • I’ve long gotten the impression that many Southern evangelicals might feel more loyalty toward the CSA than the USA.

  • d cwilson

    I think that all the churches of the Anglican communion are all governed by their various national bodies.

    I think what I’m_not was getting at was the fact that the Anglican Church is still technically the official Church of England, although it doesn’t receive any money from the government.

  • So, if a woman wants to marry in the “certain way” that she’s marrying another woman?

    No problems with that, Pat?

  • cag

    Pat has it wrong – Idiot first, asshole second.

  • I think B. Goldwater would extend this sentiment to include Pat: “I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Being a second-rate American would be a big step up for Pat.