Tyrell Blames Aurora Shootings on ‘Liberals’

Tyrell Blames Aurora Shootings on ‘Liberals’ July 27, 2012

R. Emmett Tyrell, the publisher and editor of The American Spectator, joined Bryan Fischer on his radio show to blame the Aurora shootings on “cold-blooded” and “braindead” liberals who have chased God out of society.

Tyrrell: These liberals are bloodless, they are just cold-blooded people. They ought to open their hearts to conservatives, frankly. In writing this book, ‘The Death of Liberalism,’ I came to the conclusion that they are dead—they are brain dead—they simply can’t look at anything that contravenes their value system, they turn their back on it…

Fischer: It’s been interesting to me in talking to liberals, and I’m sure you’ve had this same experience, the conclusion I’ve come to is that they cannot be reasoned with because logic means nothing to them, facts mean nothing to them, history means nothing to them, reason means nothing to them. They just have these very strong feelings and the strength of those feelings in their minds is all they need to validate the positions they take. So I’ve just come to the conclusion that liberals cannot be reasoned with they can only be defeated…

Tyrrell: A country that is being forced to turn away from God because of the liberals gets things like the Colorado massacre in abundance, and we will have more of them if we don’t return to God.

Okay, let’s test this against the evidence. The U.S. is by far the most pervasively religious country in the Western industrialized world. Nearly all the nations of Europe have far lower rates of belief in God than we do, yet they also have far lower rates of violent crime (not to mention far lower rates of teen pregnancy and many other ills) than we do. The correlation clearly goes in the opposite direction. And yet they continue to make this ridiculous claim. It’s almost as if “logic means nothing to them, facts mean nothing to them, history means nothing to them, reason means nothing to them.”

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  • raven

    to blame the Aurora shootings on “cold-blooded” and “braindead” liberals who have chased God out of society.

    Their god isn’t very powerful if it can be “chased out of society” by a few liberals.

    Why call a being god if it is scared of a dashund or house cat?

  • raven

    Tyrell and Fischer: Our god is the all powerful creator of the universe.

    “So where is he these days?”

    Tyrell and Fischer: He is hiding from the liberals.

    Whatever. Their god seems powerless against astronomers, biologists, liberals, Moslems, and atheists among other groups.

  • Abby Normal

    I would like to propose that from now on the psychological phenomenon known as projection be known as the Fisher Effect. Never have I seen an individual who so completely and consistently embodies the concept.

  • “The correlation clearly goes in the opposite direction.”

    Christians are defenseless here and atheists aren’t running amok over there because people are homeopathic. Ergo, the larger the group, the weaker it is.

  • I suspect someone has already tried to blame liberals a different way: It’s the liberal victims’ fault they weren’t carrying guns to fight back, therefore they deserved to get shot.

  • Synfandel

    Their god is so powerless it’s almost as if he didn’t exist at all.

  • Just think, if we could harness this power of projection, we could watch Batman reflected in the moon

  • Their god seems powerless against astronomers, biologists, liberals, Moslems, and atheists among other groups.

    Actually, it’s all the cars. God was once defeated in the Bible through the use of iron chariots, so imagine his fear of our self-propelled chariots with steel frames.

  • Aliasalpha

    So liberals are somehow simultaneously bloodless AND cold blooded?

  • oranje

    Bloodless and cold-blooded? Next he’s going to say we sparkle in sunlight. *sigh*

  • Right.

    Cuz allowing mentally unstable people unfettered access to weapons of mass destruction couldn’t possibly be the reason.

  • Moggie

    Those are some testable claims. Let’s express it as follows:

    1. Liberals are more likely than conservatives to avoid contact with ideas which contradict their existing beliefs.

    2. Liberals exhibit poorer reasoning skills than conservatives.

    3. Liberals are more likely than conservatives to give greater priority to emotion than reason when reaching conclusions about the world.

    If, rather than “conservative” and “liberal”, we use “authoritarian” and “non-authoritarian” – not unreasonable, given the nature of the speakers – I think Robert Altemeyer has done that research. Anyone care to check their copy of The Authoritarians?

  • gshelley

    Fischer: It’s been interesting to me in talking to liberals, and I’m sure you’ve had this same experience, the conclusion I’ve come to is that they cannot be reasoned with because logic means nothing to them, facts mean nothing to them, history means nothing to them, reason means nothing to them. They just have these very strong feelings and the strength of those feelings in their minds is all they need to validate the positions they take.

    I wonder if I am the only one that literally laughed out loud when I read that

  • Tyrell is so consumed with mindless hatred, for so many decades, I’m amazed there’s anything left of him. Most people who are that hateful end up in caridac-care wards — or psych wards.

    Tyrell hasn’t made one lick of sense since 1980. We’ve already given his latest outburst more attention that it deserved.

  • Larry

    I wonder if I am the only one that literally laughed out loud when I read that

    Laugh? No. Shake my head and do a double face palm? Absolutely.

    How someone be so clueless and yet still be breathing is beyond me.

  • matty1

    First God is let off the leash, then he gets chased. Clearly God is a greyhound.

  • Artor

    @Abby Normal #3

    Ed beat you to it by creating the Fischer Award. Occasionally, some other poor schmuck wins one, but Fischer demonstrates his mastery of projection practically every time he opens his mouth. It’s really quite amazing.

  • oranje:

    Bloodless and cold-blooded? Next he’s going to say we sparkle in sunlight.

    Don’t you ever say that again. Even in jest.

    Some things are just too offensive.

  • It’s not the first time God got “chased”.

    In the bible he was defeated by people with iron chariots.

    Some God, eh?

  • Oops, I shoulda been more careful reading.

    Bronze Dog, #8 said it first about those iron chariots.

  • Just think, if we could harness this power of projection, we could watch Batman reflected in the moon.

    I was struggling to come up with something similar, but now I don’t have to. 🙂

    One does wonder if these guys have ever talked to a liberal (as opposed to haranguing them from the other end of a telephone line).

  • If, rather than “conservative” and “liberal”, we use “authoritarian” and “non-authoritarian” – not unreasonable, given the nature of the speakers – I think Robert Altemeyer has done that research. Anyone care to check their copy of The Authoritarians?

    You don’t need to rely on Altemeyer, there’s plenty of research on political psychology:

    http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/jost.glaser.political-conservatism-as-motivated-social-cog.pdf

    A meta-analysis (88 samples, 12 countries, 22,818 cases) confirms that several psychological variables predict political conservatism: death anxiety (weighted mean r = .50); system instability (.47); dogmatism–intolerance of ambiguity (.34); openness to experience (–.32); uncertainty tolerance (–.27); needs for order, structure, and closure (.26); integrative complexity (–.20); fear of threat and loss (.18); and self-esteem (–.09).

    To summarize: Conservatives are afraid of everything, see things in black and white, don’t like new things, are unwilling to change their minds in the face of contrary evidence, don’t bother with complex reasoning, and to top it off, are insecure.

    Of course, good luck getting them to understand, let alone accept, any of the above.

  • The worst thing about this whole affair is that it virtally ignores the fact that multiple shootings are extremely commonplace in the USA today. It has to be a “mass shooting” before it hits the national headlines.

    For example, here are a set of headlines copied from the first page of a Google News search:

    Five shot at Harlem basketball site

    New York Post – 1 day ago

    Five people were shot last night at a basketball game at Harlem’s famed Rucker Park where ex-Knicks guard Nate Robinson was among those …

    U-T San Diego – 30 Jun 2012

    Three people were shot, two fatally, on the streets of City Heights late Saturday night, San Diego police said.

    Three people shot in car; tried to drive themselves to hospital:

    Jackson Clarion Ledger – 11 Jul 2012

    Jackson police said three people were apparently shot in a car late Tuesday night on Rose Street near Robinson Street and attempted to drive …

    7 killed and 21 injured on hot, bloody night

    New York Daily News – 7 Jul 2012

    3:39 a.m.: Three people shot and wounded at 149 Richards St. inside the Red Hook Houses. 3:40 a.m.: A 24-year-old man shot multiple times …

    New York Daily News

    Three hospitalized after southwest shooting

    KGET 17 – 3 days ago

    Officers found three people shot in an alley on Sorrano Avenue Monday night near Ming Avenue and South Real Road. One of those shot was …

    This is just a few that have happened in the last month alone. While mass shootings can and do happen in other nations (usually only once in a generation), it’s really these weekly, almost daily shootings that truly sets America apart from the rest.

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    Someone in our local paper said pretty much the same thing, to which I answered: “Seriously, Mr. —-, you want to change the constitution and turn the country into a theocracy because of this shooting? Total non-sequitur. In fact, the shooter was a regular church-goer, proof that having religion does NOT prevent this kind of tragedy from happening.”

    It seems that the only remotely reasonable way that “A country that is being forced to turn away from God because of the liberals” caused this shooting by a regular church-goer is revenge or xtian terrorism. Is that really what these idiots want to imply?

    I know, I know, it’s too much to expect them to make sense.

  • Liberals have iron chariots. Or else their god is a pussy.

  • thisisaturingtest

    ##13, gshelley:

    I wonder if I am the only one that literally laughed out loud when I read that

    I suppose the noise I made could technically be called a “laugh”- but it was really more like a bark of disbelief. I have to wonder if Fischer has ever really talked to a liberal, as opposed to at one. He evidently doesn’t even listen to himself well enough to hear the blatant bullshit, so I doubt he hears anything anyone else says.

  • Abby Normal

    @Artor #17

    The Brian Fisher Award is all well and good. But I’m talking about making Fisher and projection truly synonymous, like ALS and Lou Gehrig’s Disease. I want it to become common parlance. I want professors use it in 101 classes. I’ll know my work is done some future iteration of the DSM reads:

    Projection (The Fisher Effect)

    Perceiving and reacting to unacceptable inner impulses and their derivatives as though they were outside the self. On a psychotic level, this defense mechanism…

    C’mon folks, we can do it!

  • thalwen

    Well of course atheists and liberals don’t like Fisher’s brand of history and facts and logic, because they happen to be false and ridiculous. Also are we bloodless or cold-blooded? And if we’re dead why do we need to be defeated? I guess asking for consistency within a single paragraph is too much.

  • sharonb

    @Gvlgeologist, FCD:

    In RE: “In fact, the shooter was a regular church-goer,…”

    Cite?

    I googled that he attended a Lutheran Church growing up (as recently as 6 years ago).

    That doesn’t make him a church goer, unless you have a better cite.

    Not defending churchgoers, (in fact, I agree with your general thesis)just wanting to remain factual 🙂

  • AsqJames

    I find this part particularly disturbing:

    So I’ve just come to the conclusion that liberals cannot be reasoned with they can only be defeated…

    Anders Breivik would be proud.

  • “They ought to open their hearts to conservatives, frankly.”

    This is my fave. He says this immediately after insulting liberals as “bloodless” and “cold-blooded”, and then his host goes on to insult liberals further with an unhinged hate-rant. But gosh, why don’t they love us?!

  • The worst thing about this whole affair is that it virtally ignores the fact that multiple shootings are extremely commonplace in the USA today. It has to be a “mass shooting” before it hits the national headlines.

    To my mind, there is a significant qualitative difference between a multiple shooting event like the one in Aurora and a multiple shooting caused by a drug deal gone bad, a turf war between gang members, a vengeance killing against an ex-spouse and her lover, etc. Not that the latter aren’t horrific or anything, but their psychological impact on the public is far less. They have clear motives and the people killed (usually) aren’t mere bystanders. Those are situations we all know how to avoid. No one knows how to avoid an Aurora-like event other than “don’t go out in public”.

    The point that our culture often turns a blind eye toward violence is well taken, but this is a different kind of event, and people are justified in wondering how it could have happened, even if there is ultimately no answer. Or, in the case of Fischer and his twisted ilk, they arrive at extremely stupid answers.

  • Michael Heath

    Abby Normal,

    I’m game, but please start spelling his Bryan Fischer’s name correctly; otherwise people will get confused.

  • tacitus:

    Those are black people. They don’t count. Unless there are white people among the victims, it isn’t a mass murder.

  • Michael Heath

    Re if anyone competes with Fischer in the projection department:

    The two names which come to mind are Ray Comfort and Ted Nugent.

  • Abby Normal

    Michael Heath @33

    I’m game, but please start spelling his Bryan Fischer’s name correctly; otherwise people will get confused.

    Indeed! That would be helpful. Thanks.

    Bad brain. No biscuit.

  • StevoR

    According to the host of Aussie TV show Planet America since the Colorado massacre over 200 people have been killed with guns in the USA.

    (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/abcnews24/201207/programs/NU1188H025D2012-07-29T000130.htm )

  • twincats

    Well of course atheists and liberals don’t like Fisher’s brand of history and facts and logic, because they happen to be false and ridiculous. Also are we bloodless or cold-blooded? And if we’re dead why do we need to be defeated? I guess asking for consistency within a single paragraph is too much.

    Goodness me, I guess we must be zombies!

  • Gvlgeologist, FCD

    @sharonb,

    Sorry I haven’t answered your question, and I doubt you’ll see this after all this time, but I just saw your question, and while I’m sure I saw a reference to “regular church” attendance, I can’t find a cite either. The closest I can come is this ref:

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/james-holmes-went-to-church-weeks-before-colo-shooting-78629/

    which says he attended recently but not necessarily regularly.

    This doesn’t invalidate my argument because it still shows “that having religion does NOT prevent this kind of tragedy from happening”, but it does make it weaker because he may be less religious than I previously thought.