Lively Wants Off Hate List

Lively Wants Off Hate List August 23, 2012

I find this kind of amusing. Scott Lively, who is on the far right fringe of the anti-gay crowd occupied by the likes of Fred Phelps, is demanding that “leftists” stop calling him a hatemonger just because he thinks gay people are evil and were responsible for the Holocaust.

This is an open letter to the Southern Poverty Law Center demanding that you CEASE and DESIST labeling me as a “hater,” and viciously lying about me on your website and through your other communications to third parties.

Ever since you put me on your hate list I have been under rhetorical attack from every leftist nut job and “progressive” journalist in America.

ZOMG! Rhetorical attack! That’s otherwise known as criticism. And if writing a book claiming that gay people were responsible for Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich doesn’t qualify you as a hateful bigot, we might as well retire those two words from the language completely.

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  • tubi

    Also, wasn’t Lively a vocal advocate of the Ugandan ant-gay legislation? If saying that homosexuals should be executed doesn’t make you hateful…

  • blindrobin

    Like yelling at the sun to stop all of that insidious shining.

  • steve84

    He used to consider the label a “badge of honor”. What changed?

  • daved

    I think hatemonger Scott Lively can make all the demands he wants, but what it appears that he really wants is for people to stop making accurate characterizations of his words and beliefs.

  • schism

    CEASE and DESIST labeling me as a “hater”

    Haters gonna hate…and then say they’re being persecuted when called on it.

  • Draken

    I’d double my efforts, they seem to have some effect on his psyche.

  • anubisprime

    Cockroaches do not like the light!

    How oppressive and intolerant are folk that illuminate the sordid cess pit world of fundamentalist circle jerking!

  • Doug Little

    The same Scott Lively who was actively involved in the creation of the Ugandan anti-gay legislation. Yeah, that fucking dickhead.

    I hope he eventually offs himself because of the special treatment he is receiving that he has so rightfully earned.

  • scienceavenger

    Don’t like being called hateful and ignorant? Stop saying hateful, ignorant things. Yes, it’s really that simple.

  • frrolfe

    hi guys. toddle over to PZ to see how you deal with dipshit wingnuts. you don’t win by having biden’s quite reasonable reference to “chains” reduce you to needing smelling salts. term “growing a pair” seems apt.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/23/everyone-should-have-a-daily-dose-of-angry-irishman/

    BTW, he wasnt prez when the “debate” took place and the role of the irish president is mainly ceremonial but can refer bills to supreme court to test constitutionality. makes me really proud to be irish. maybe obama could move aside.

  • I Googled up Lively’s website and this was the first thing I saw:

    Does a woman’s body have a defense mechanism to block impregnation when the attacker is a “legitimate” rapist, meaning in the traditional sense a violent surprise attacker as opposed to, say, the more modern feminist sense of a chosen romantic partner that just won’t accept “no” from the woman when she decides during heavy petting that she doesn’t want to copulate after all?

    Ah, so that’s the differnce between a “legitimate rape” and everything else. Not only should we continue to call him a hater but add dumber than dirt in front of it.

  • I think we might want to invoke the Streisand effect on this one.

  • fastlane

    I think we should pitch in and get him one of these:

    http://www.bustedtees.com/hatersgonnahate

  • andrewjohnston

    Also, wasn’t Lively a vocal advocate of the Ugandan ant-gay legislation?

    Hell, some Ugandans credit him with inspiring that legislation – it first showed up after he gave a speech there in 2009. At that speech, he compared being gay to being an alcoholic and said that gay sex should be punished the same as drunk driving. Then, once the Ugandan legislation started getting negative press, Lively claimed he didn’t agree with it and didn’t favor the death penalty, although he’s fine with locking gays up.

    That’s the thing about Lively – he’s a grade A liar on top of everything else. He knows that his beliefs would not be accepted in mainstream American society, so he saves them for when he’s among allies. Lively really shows that “but we love homosexuals and want to help them!” line for the lie that it is.

  • imrryr

    @John Pieret – Thanks for pointing that out. All this time I was naively assuming that “non-legitimate” rape was some kind of code word for “she’s lying”, but apparently the definition includes what non-fucked-up human beings would define simply as rape.

  • So being called a bigot is officially worse that being blamed for Hitler?

  • DaveL

    in the traditional sense a violent surprise attacker as opposed to, say, the more modern feminist sense of a chosen romantic partner that just won’t accept “no” from the woman when she decides during heavy petting that she doesn’t want to copulate after all?

    Is it just me, or does the latter scenario still sound very much like a “violent surprise attack?”

  • ArtK

    @imryr

    The whole point is to redefine rape until it’s as close to non-existent as they can get it. First off, it preserves the rape culture that they’re a big part of and second, it gets rid of that pesky “rape or incest” exception to anti-abortion legislation.

  • scienceavenger

    So according to Lively, forcibly having sex with a prick tease isn’t “legitimate rape”? And this is better…how again?

    I guess in Livelyland, if you offer to buy my car, and I change my mind at the last minute, you taking off with it anyway doesn’t qualify as “legitimate theft”.

  • d cwilson

    Does a woman’s body have a defense mechanism to block impregnation when the attacker is a “legitimate” rapist, meaning in the traditional sense a violent surprise attacker as opposed to, say, the more modern feminist sense of a chosen romantic partner that just won’t accept “no” from the woman when she decides during heavy petting that she doesn’t want to copulate after all?

    Don’t these feminists know that once the guy has a wood, she is legally obligated to give it up? Sheesh!

    Since we’re redefining rape, why don’t we just go all the way and redefine a woman as a “sperm receptacle and fetal incubation unit”? Then we can go back to the good old days of arguing how many goats a man’s daughter is worth.

  • andrewjohnston

    So according to Lively, forcibly having sex with a prick tease isn’t “legitimate rape”? And this is better…how again?

    That very belief is more common than you might think. Years back, there was a fairly ambiguous case in which the woman changed her mind after her partner got rough and he ignored her. I remember reading plenty of articles and posts by conservatives who stated flat-out that, even if the woman was being totally honest, it still wasn’t rape.

    One commentator (possibly Mark Steyn, but don’t quote me on that) claimed that the “feminists” had made it so that a woman could say “no” in the split-second before penetration and the man would be charged. He went on to say that if a woman invites a man into her apartment or goes into his apartment, she’s consented to anything he does to her.

    Point being, many people who profess to hold “traditional values” have very disturbing views on sexuality.

  • F

    In case of Rhetorical Attack on your district, follow these rules:

    If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously.

    Do not waste time blocking your ears.

    Do not waste time seeking a “sound proofed” shelter.

    Try to get as far away from the rhetorical source as possible

    Do not panic

    Do not panic

  • scienceavenger

    Perhaps people just forget or are ignorant of how disturbing traditional views on sexuality are. They think its Father Knows Best, when its really Lot offering up his daughters to the rape gang to protect his ass and property.

  • oranje

    I’m assuming, in his worldview, he’s on the side of all things “righteous,” “Christian,” etc. He can’t understand that he’s being hateful, ignorant, stupid, mendacious, and all that. Because he must be right in his own mind.

    Is there any way to reach such people? Break the dissonance? At least help them see the hypocrisy?

  • Doug Little

    Is there any way to reach such people? Break the dissonance? At least help them see the hypocrisy?

    Nope, they are right offs it’s a waste of time that is better spent trying to educate the next generation so they don’t end up the same way.

  • timberwoof

    “You also knew that in my address to the Ugandan Parliament I advocated not punishment for homosexuals, and certainly not the death penalty, but voluntary therapy and prevention through healthy marriage and family preparation in the national school system.”

    Oh, gee, thanks! You’re so magnanimous! Now take your “voluntary therapy” and shove it up your ass … lovingly, with some Ben-Gay.

    True to his Christian nature, he quote-mines himself. In his demand for loving forgiveness, he writes

    in response to my letter of November 1, 2007 you agreed to retract the lie that The Pink Swastika blames the Holocaust on homosexuals after I pointed out our statement in the book that “we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust.”

    But here’s the full quote:

    “While we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism,”

    “I must repeat my request to be removed from your list of hate groups, and indeed, for the safety of myself and my family I must now insist that you do this immediately.”

    Oh, yeah? Or what?

  • Don’t these feminists know that once the guy has a wood, she is legally obligated to give it up? Sheesh!

    Would you like the internet you won delivered by FedEx or by regular mail?

  • vmanis1

    I would like just one of these clowns, Matt Barber, or Tony Perkins, or Scott Lively, to sue the SPLC for defamation of character. Maybe the plaintiff could get Larry Klayman or Andrew Shirvell to represent him.

  • leftwingfox

    There’s an unspoken implication with the “hate group” whining from the FRC.

    Calling them a “Hate Group” is “inflammatory” as proved by the shooter. This implies one of two things.

    1) That the SPLC is promoting violence against hate groups as a legitimate way of stopping them. This is bonkers.

    2) Given how they call gay rights groups “Christian hate groups” they are implying that violence IS an acceptable solution to use against “Hate Groups”, and are outraged that now the guns might be pointing at them.

    Meh, it’s probably 3) They actually don’t think about what words mean, except for “US GOOD, THEM EVIL!”

  • Happiestsadist, opener of the Crack of Doom

    *takes a sip of my delicious haterade* Ahhh, but that is refreshing. Just like bigot tears, but a little lighter on the palate.

  • dingojack

    So let’s see…

    If Lively invites me around into his house* then gets all ‘gays are teh evuul’ and I punch him in the nose, he can’t claim assault. After all he invited me in and then provoked me into punching him, if he didn’t want to get punched he shouldn’t have done either**.

    Dingo

    —–

    * Not that I want to be anywhere near the hateful little puke-puddle. [Interesting that he sees to think men are like vampires, they have to be invited in].

    ** I wonder how the ‘Lively’s mere existence provoked me to punch him in the nose, Your Honour’ defence would go down? After all by his criterion it would be legitimate assault.

  • footface

    This same kind of persecution complex is on display in the debate between Dan Savage and the guy from NOM. (Dan had him over for dinner a week or so ago, so they could have a taped debate/discussion afterward.) The guy bounced around between sanctimony and professions of hurt feelings (calling my hatefulness hateful is mean), with liberal doses of tone trolling thrown in for good measure.

    watch it on YouTube

  • valhar2000

    I guess all they need to do is publicly state that if Lively can point to any lies or misrepresentations about him in their newsletters they’ll publish retractions. I’d love to see him actually defending his claim; not that he ever would, of course, but a man can dream.

  • tubi

    @21

    …a woman could say “no” in the split-second before penetration and the man would be charged.

    That happened to me once. Actually, it was the split-second after.

    I stopped and gave her a ride home. We remained friends.

    Does that make me a better person than Scott Lively?

  • interrobang

    I’d really like to know the sort of threats he (thinks he’s) getting from this; I seriously doubt it’s actually anything at all, and surely it’s nothing quite as amusing as lesbians with bugs.